[QUOTE=Lunch;15608563]or they can not effect your ability to think rationally[/QUOTE]

Oh ok. So you take drugs to be completely normal and have no effect at all? Seems like a waste of time/money.

hearing these sh[SIZE="2"]itty arguments from pot users about driving under the influence is pretty god damn stupid.


If you are under the influence of a drug or alcohol, do not drive or operate anything that can harm your self or others.(especially when it comes to bringing other people into the picture)[/SIZE]

Is that hard to understand you fu[SIZE="2"]cking idiots?[/SIZE]

all I'm trying to say is one can maintain a sense of "rational" thought and acknowledge that a drug is in your system. Getting high doesn't mean getting stupid to everyone.

Let's just calm down, everyone. Let's smoke a bowl and go take a nice drive in the city nearing the time of rush hour.

[QUOTE=Lunch;15608563]or they can not effect your ability to think rationally

driving drunk is never a good idea, unfortunately it's something I've done my fair share of times. Driving "high" to people here seems to carry this stigma that I'm driving around with the munchies, geeking out and failing to notice the world around me, when that's simply not true. Driving drunk and driving high are not the same thing and no argument about "they're both influences on your body" is going to outweight the amount of personal experience I've had with each.[/QUOTE]

What about my personal experiences of my half-brother and friend from high-school who both are dead now due to people driving whilst [B]high[/B]. Unfortunately in my half-brother's case it was him who was high.

EDIT: It's like you're not even paying attention to what you're typing, Mike. Anyways, I'm out of this argument. I've got better things to do than hammer down circular logic.

[QUOTE=Lunch;15608583]all I'm trying to say is one can maintain a sense of "rational" though and acknowledge that a drug is in your system.[/QUOTE]

Because, typically when someone is high they are still conscience and can think to a certain extent, but that by no means implies that their ability to make good decisions and operate machinery is going to be as good while sober!

you live and believe things based on your experiences, and I live based on mine. That's what it's about.

I bet a bunch of drunk drivers think they're awesome drivers after a couple of drinks as well.

[QUOTE=Riva;15608552]Yes, and I didn't see the point. But this isn't about doing drugs, I don't proselytise about that. I am specifically arguing against driving whilst stoned or drunk.
[/QUOTE]
Well I asked you that to see if you are arguing out of ignorance. Unless you have actually been high, you really can't argue against it. There is no real testing being done on the influence on Marijuana and its influence on cognitive response, nor do you bring in any real evidence to support your argument.

[QUOTE=Lunch;15608602]you live and believe things based on your experiences, and I live based on mine. That's what it's about.[/QUOTE]

So should I go shoot guns in random directions and and drive drunk since neither one of these has affected me personally? That's stupid logic.

Fact: Driving drunk/high is absolutely stupid and anyone who does so deserves criminal treatment.

And about the druggies vs non-druggies, look at my avatar. I love weed. Loving =\= abusing and being an idiot about it.

you guys win

lol

insanity

[QUOTE=Lunch;15608602]you live and believe things based on your experiences, and I live based on mine. That's what it's about.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, whatever fine and dandy...

But when you mix in the safety of others into the mix, that goes right out the [SIZE="2"]fu[/SIZE]cking window.

Jesus Christ, you people are thick.

[QUOTE=Ghoul Hunter;15608614]So should I go shoot guns in random directions and and drive drunk since neither one of these has affected me personally? That's stupid logic.[/QUOTE]So what you are saying is our knowledge is innane?

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15608628]So what you are saying is our knowledge is innane?[/QUOTE]

On this subject, very.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15608611]Well I asked you that to see if you are arguing out of ignorance. Unless you have actually been high, you really can't argue against it. There is no real testing being done on the influence on Marijuana and its influence on cognitive response, nor do you bring in any real evidence to support your argument.[/QUOTE]

I am preparing a .rar that contains full PDFs of 4 articles I found by searching ScienceDirect. These are from scientific journals that are moderated by peers, and all but one are final drafts (one is a corrected proof).

They are:
[I]Long-term cognitive deficits induced by a single, extremely low dose of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC): Behavioral, pharmacological and biochemical studies in mice[/I]

[I]Marijuana use, risk perception, and consequences: Is perceived risk congruent with reality?[/I]

[I]Marijuana use motives: A confirmatory test and evaluation among young adult marijuana users[/I]
[I]
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological
state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol[/I]

Let me know if you're interested.

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo;15608625]Yeah, whatever fine and dandy...

[B]But when you mix in the safety of others into the mix, that goes right out the [SIZE="2"]fu[/SIZE]cking window.[/B]

Jesus Christ, you people are thick.[/QUOTE]

Period.

Plus, why would you wanna drive while high, anyway? I like to enjoy it to some extent, and having the worries of driving would make me hella paranoid.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;15608651]Plus, why would you wanna drive while high, anyway? I like to enjoy it to some extent, and having the worries of driving would make me hella paranoid.[/QUOTE]

Haha yeah. The only way to enjoy a smoke is relaxing at a house and watching TV or something.

Yeah dude. I got high yesterday in the morning and I listened to Hvis Lyset Tar Oss. When Varg's vocals came in I swear it sounded like a bunch of black women screaming. That's what I thought was going on throughout the whole song.

When the keyboards enter I felt like I was floating too. It was weird.

Oh wow is this argument actually happening?

lulz.

Haha, the fact that Varg, of all people, should sound like black women screaming is hilarious. :lol:

Ok, there you go:

[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?9ilpymy1te1[/url]

Four tl;dr articles in one easy package.

Yeah, you're smart, Vince. Give your two cents.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15608611]There is no real testing being done on the influence on Marijuana and its influence on cognitive response[/QUOTE]

Hahaha. Really, are you serious?

Riva's already got a bunch apparently but there are other scientific articles I just pulled up if you are unsatisfied with Riva's.

EDIT: Hey, can't go wrong with psychopharmacology.

Well all I see is people saying driving high is ok, outline the premise of this debate and I will give my thoughts.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;15608659]Yeah dude. I got high yesterday in the morning and I listened to Hvis Lyset Tar Oss. When Varg's vocals came in I swear it sounded like a bunch of black women screaming. That's what I thought was going on throughout the whole song.

When the keyboards enter I felt like I was floating too. It was weird.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha, that is so ridiculously oarsome.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Sexy Men;15608700]Driving high is a good idea. Prove me wrong![/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?9ilpymy1te1[/url]

I asked for proof not speculation. There is speculation on both sides. I've smoke for years now, I've smoked and drove for most of those years. Then again I've learned how to deal with a high and I smoke in moderation.

Don't take my argument out of context. I'm not saying its a good idea, but seem to think feed into and absolutist mentality.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15608713]I asked for proof not speculation. There is speculation on both sides. I've smoke for years now, I've smoked and drove for most of those years. Then again I've learned how to deal with a high and I smoke in moderation.[/QUOTE]

EDITED BEFORE I EVEN POSTED: Never mind, clearly I am arguing with a brick wall savant.

The only time I ever really had to drive high was when I still lived at home. Now that I am in my own place, I have no need to.

Jason: I am not saying its a good idea, but acting like the minute you take a hit of pot impairs you from driving is utterly retarded.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Sexy Men;15608718]This evidence is all theoretical. Crash a car and I'll believe you.[/QUOTE]

Whats your problem? I'd appreciate it if you acted like a mod.