[QUOTE=Brokensticks]here's an idea. Don't be an as[I]s[/I] and don't cheat on girls. It's just stupid. and don't go out with somone who's gona cheat on you[/QUOTE]
Thats the thing, you don't know who cheats and who doesn't.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]You don't love her. I'm 16 too, and from what people told me is that we aren't mature enough to experience love and now looking from the outside I believe it.[/QUOTE]

how the **** do you know what anyone else has the ability to feel. Just because you have the emotional capacity of a teaspoon doesn't mean everyone else does.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]I guess your right but were different people. I don't get attached as easily.
Your right it is selfish, theres nothing to justify cheating exept for being selfish. Plus if I were to cheat it would be like a drunken hookup at a party or something not something planned. Its like manslaughter vs murder. I'm not aiming to hurt my girlfriend just acting on instinct.[/QUOTE]
Aside from the fact that your little "drunken hookup" contradicts what you said earlier, there's obviously a discrepancy between yours and your girlfriend's thought processes. I highly doubt she'd be less hurt if it were a drunken hookup in which you betrayed her. If your instinct is to do something that will in the end hurt both of you very badly, I tend to doubt your maturity level.

[QUOTE=motleyguy197666]how the **** do you know what anyone else has the ability to feel. Just because you have the emotional capacity of a teaspoon doesn't mean everyone else does.[/QUOTE]
Your right about the teaspoon thing but he doesn't love her and she doesn't love him. I can't explain it. I dated this girl for about 2 weeks and from the first time I met her I would get a feeling inside if I touched her looked at her or even heard her voice. We broke up because I loved her and she couldn't return the feelings. Now that I look back on it I didn't love her, she just made me feel good. Theres a difference.


Again I said, I'm young I know I'm not mature when it comes to girls I act selfish(good word) but thats who I am. I'm 16 whats the point of looking for a long relationship from now

I'm so down about girls..
I am eating cheese though.
Guys, from MY experience with the ladies, relationships are built through two things: EFFORT AND TRUST. Trust keeps it intimate, effort keeps it moving.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]You don't love her. I'm 16 too, and from what people told me is that we aren't mature enough to experience love and now looking from the outside I believe it.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me?

Do you really want to tell me the way I feel about the only person in the world with whom I am actually happy? You want to argue with someone you dont know about the person who is the center of their life?

Guess what buddy? You're not "on the outside." You're no better than me, so quit being a condescending as[I]s[/I]. You don't know me at all.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Your right about the teaspoon thing but he doesn't love her and she doesn't love him. I can't explain it. I dated this girl for about 2 weeks and from the first time I met her I would get a feeling inside if I touched her looked at her or even heard her voice. We broke up because I loved her and she couldn't return the feelings. Now that I look back on it I didn't love her, she just made me feel good. Theres a difference.[/QUOTE]

wow, 2 weeks. Noone can develop feelings like that over that short of a time period. It takes months, even years. And seeing as you don't know Wholedzep personally, or anything about his relationship, you are clearly not qualified to make that judgement call. Your lack of maturity and dveotion to a relationship you should be dedicated to, only makes you less qualified. And finally, in closing, I question your morals, if any remain. tool.

[QUOTE=wholedzep]Excuse me?

Do you really want to tell me the way I feel about the only person in the world with whom I am actually happy? You want to argue with someone you dont know about the person who is the center of their life?

Guess what buddy? You're not "on the outside." You're no better than me, so quit being a condescending as[I]s[/I]. You don't know me at all.[/QUOTE]
Alright I understand you feel strongly but don't confuse it for love. I know you'd die for her but thats not love. I honestly don't know what love is but I know alot of people who will all tell you the same thing as me.

Maybe you do love her IDK but I've been close, really close and it wasn't it.

Anyways lets stop the argueing. Why can't we all just get along?

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]You don't love her. I'm 16 too, and from what people told me is that we aren't mature enough to experience love and now looking from the outside I believe it.[/QUOTE]

I'm 14, 15 in 7 days and it depends on the person whether or not they can love someone or not because of their maturity level, which obviously judging by you some people can have their level very very very very very very very very low. I have been dating a girl since the end of grade 5. Not very seriously then because well I was very young. In the middle of grade 7 I really started to feel for her way more than before. At the end of grade 8 because I was away almost all summer, she just didn't seem interested. When she dumped me I was miserable for days because I loved her. We had a great relationship and talked for hours and were very open. After a month she realised how much more we were together and we're back together today Which is halfway through grade 9 and I love her like never before. This may not be " true love " but if it's not I can't imagine what it would feel like. When it comes to relationships I am very mature about it and I would never even think of cheating on her and she wouldn't do the same.

I can understand Fokker's logic

I assume most of you are in high school.

Practically every single high schooler has this thing where high school relationships mean something, or they get this dillusion that they're important.

Honestly, 99% of the time, they're not.

Only about 1 in 100 cases will someone actually be with their high school sweetheart.

Frankly, having a single relationship in high school is a big waste of time. When its all over (and it will be over, 99% of the time, yet you people keep on having dillusions that it will never be over) you look back at what could have been. What are the different people you could have been with? How much more will you know? How much will you know about relationships and getting into relationships and know the general female psyche. Just because your one girlfriend acts one way, doesn't mean that others will.

Trust me on this, I had a chance in high school to possibly date several people. I dated ONE for 2.5 years, and I should have broken up with her several times, but I didn't, because I, too, had the dillusion that it will work out in the end.

Now here I am, in college, completely socially retarted on how to date other women, because my experience matches that of a 13 year old. Its not right.

I doubt any of you young men will take this advice to heart, because you think i'm just bsing, but really, with rare exception, you're having dillusions.

Please listen to my case.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Alright I understand you feel strongly but don't confuse it for love. I know you'd die for her but thats not love. I honestly don't know what love is but I know alot of people who will all tell you the same thing as me.

Maybe you do love her IDK but I've been close, really close and it wasn't it.

Anyways lets stop the argueing. Why can't we all just get along?[/QUOTE]

a) you are an ***

b) I have enough evidence to believe you have no soul

c) after the previous conversation, I really have no respect for you as a human being

[QUOTE=Brokensticks]I'm 14, 15 in 7 days and it depends on the person whether or not they can love someone or not because of their maturity level, which obviously judging by you some people can have their level very very very very very very very very low. I have been dating a girl since the end of grade 5. Not very seriously then because well I was very young. In the middle of grade 7 I really started to feel for her way more than before. At the end of grade 8 because I was away almost all summer, she just didn't seem interested. When she dumped me I was miserable for days because I loved her. We had a great relationship and talked for hours and were very open. After a month she realised how much more we were together and we're back together today Which is halfway through grade 9 and I love her like never before. This may not be " true love " but if it's not I can't imagine what it would feel like. When it comes to relationships I am very mature about it and I would never even think of cheating on her and she wouldn't do the same.[/QUOTE]
Well alright as I said enough of this convo, it can go on for hours. Make a thread in the pit or something to discuss this. I want to talk about drums

[QUOTE=motleyguy197666]a) you are an ***

b) I have enough evidence to believe you have no soul

c) after the previous conversation, I really have no respect for you as a human being[/QUOTE]
Okay, I don't really care.
Seafroggies pretty much explained my point better. Also to seafroggies, go out to clubs my 2 older friends in my crew stopped hanging out with us when they went to colledge and my and my best friend were sophmores(last year) I must've hooked up with at least 40 girls in about a year and a half with a couple of longer relationships. They had one gf each(not very social)(the older ones) and they go to clubs once a week and they get more girls then me. They tell me like five girls a night. I don't really believe it but I know other people they go with and they back them up. They aren't liars either. Its just kinda hard to believe 5 girls in a night

You didn't love her, face it. There's a difference between infatuation and love. Most kids feel like "Oh my god, I can't like without her!" But that's not love. That's dependancy. Love should be when somebody else COMPLETEs YOU. And personally, I don't believe in love at the age of 15.

Edit: I don't actually want to say "You didn't love her"- that makes me sounds like a dink. But just try and understand what I'm saying.

Let's just say this applies to most kids, I don't know about you wholedzep. Your situation sounds pretty intimate/emotionally serious I guess.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Alright I understand you feel strongly but don't confuse it for love. I know you'd die for her but thats not love. I honestly don't know what love is but I know alot of people who will all tell you the same thing as me.

Maybe you do love her IDK but I've been close, really close and it wasn't it.

Anyways lets stop the argueing. Why can't we all just get along?[/QUOTE]
You are not above me. You're right, I would die for her. You tell me "don't confuse it for love"? What you thought you experienced in two weeks is nowhere near what I feel for her.

Why can't we all get along? Because you are, to use your word, a scumbag.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]I can understand Fokker's logic

I assume most of you are in high school.

Practically every single high schooler has this thing where high school relationships mean something, or they get this dillusion that they're important.

Honestly, 99% of the time, they're not.

Only about 1 in 100 cases will someone actually be with their high school sweetheart.

Frankly, having a single relationship in high school is a big waste of time. When its all over (and it will be over, 99% of the time, yet you people keep on having dillusions that it will never be over) you look back at what could have been. What are the different people you could have been with? How much more will you know? How much will you know about relationships and getting into relationships and know the general female psyche. Just because your one girlfriend acts one way, doesn't mean that others will.

Trust me on this, I had a chance in high school to possibly date several people. I dated ONE for 2.5 years, and I should have broken up with her several times, but I didn't, because I, too, had the dillusion that it will work out in the end.

Now here I am, in college, completely socially retarted on how to date other women, because my experience matches that of a 13 year old. Its not right.

I doubt any of you young men will take this advice to heart, because you think i'm just bsing, but really, with rare exception, you're having dillusions.

Please listen to my case.[/QUOTE]

I can't say I disagree, because you are right. That aside, cheating is no way to treat someone, it is a complete betrayal of their trust and is low and disgusting. My issue isn't with his qualms about love, but rather his willingness to simply throw away a trusting relationship at the drop of a hat to have a "drunken hook up".

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Well alright as I said enough of this convo, it can go on for hours. Make a thread in the pit or something to discuss this. I want to talk about drums[/QUOTE]

you're trying to make it sound like I started the whole thing now :lol:

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]I can understand Fokker's logic

I assume most of you are in high school.

Practically every single high schooler has this thing where high school relationships mean something, or they get this dillusion that they're important.

Honestly, 99% of the time, they're not.

Only about 1 in 100 cases will someone actually be with their high school sweetheart.

Frankly, having a single relationship in high school is a big waste of time. When its all over (and it will be over, 99% of the time, yet you people keep on having dillusions that it will never be over) you look back at what could have been. What are the different people you could have been with? How much more will you know? How much will you know about relationships and getting into relationships and know the general female psyche. Just because your one girlfriend acts one way, doesn't mean that others will.

Trust me on this, I had a chance in high school to possibly date several people. I dated ONE for 2.5 years, and I should have broken up with her several times, but I didn't, because I, too, had the dillusion that it will work out in the end.

Now here I am, in college, completely socially retarted on how to date other women, because my experience matches that of a 13 year old. Its not right.

I doubt any of you young men will take this advice to heart, because you think i'm just bsing, but really, with rare exception, you're having dillusions.

Please listen to my case.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing wrong with what you said. But like motley said, Focker apparently has no concept of trust in a relationship.

I completely believe you, Seafroggys. It's just so damn hard to tell yourself and believe that there's something better. Why take a big risk for something that could be great (or horrible, I'll admit) when you have something pretty good already?

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Seafroggies pretty much explained my point better.[/QUOTE]
That's probably because reading your posts is like walking through quicksand.

[QUOTE=wholedzep]That's probably because reading your posts is like walking through quicksand.[/QUOTE]

it's quite true. That, and the fact that seafroggies actually has experience in more aspects of life than lotion and a naughty magazine.

[QUOTE=wholedzep]That's probably because reading your posts is like walking through quicksand.[/QUOTE]
Haha, that was almost a good one.
Wait no it wasn't.

I vote we stop hating on Focker. You know, for a while..

[QUOTE]I vote we stop hating on Focker. You know, for a while..[/QUOTE] Good thinking.

[QUOTE=derryk]I vote we stop hating on Focker. You know, for a while..[/QUOTE]

we could. but every post he makes, gives me more reason to.

[QUOTE=motleyguy197666]it's quite true. That, and the fact that seafroggies actually has experience in more aspects of life than lotion and a naughty magazine.[/QUOTE]
I laughed at that one.

You know you're tired when debate dissolves into masturbation humor, and you find it amusing.

haha. Remember that joke..
If you had a disabled friend, Jack, and he was riding a horse, but he wanted to get off the horse.. would you help Jack off the horse?

Sorry..

Just ignore Focker's posts if you don't like them dude- and we all have bad grammar. You correcting him was a comma splice anyways.

[QUOTE=derryk]I vote we stop hating on Focker. You know, for a while..[/QUOTE]
Seriously, where is the love.

I'm gonna say something that sounds like I'm hating but you guys need to stop being close minded. I saw where you guys are coming from. See where I'm coming from. Okay. No more hate :chug:

Good call- next person who posts decides on our next flamefest topic!

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Haha, that was almost a good one.
Wait no it wasn't.[/QUOTE]
You are one funny man. Hell, if I could wade through the sentence fragments and poor syntax, I might even laugh once and a while.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]I'm gonna say something that sounds like I'm hating but you guys need to stop being close minded. I saw where you guys are coming from. See where I'm coming from.[/QUOTE]
We saw where you are coming from. Unfortunately, that involved cheating in relationships and condescending judgements.

EDIT: Sorry derryk. My creativity has been exhausted for the night.