[QUOTE=metaliq]I would rather breed elitists than have mindless proles. :)

Hmph. I swear... these dystopian novels continue to appeal to me.

Hmm. I think I may pick up writing again, seeing as how I haven't completely lost it. I took quite a long break, "Some Koan" being my previous work before the one I wrote yesterday.

And speaking of writing, I have been thinking about a subject to write a novel around for quite some time. A few weeks ago when I was barely drifting away from consciousness, I thought about how the world would be if everyone was blind.

I think that is what I thought about... I don’t remember, but I remember it being cool though.

Hmm. Opinions?[/QUOTE]

I have written several short stories on the concept of mass sense-deprivation. Specifically one about a small band of people in the "South of the World" who are all born blind. They form a community and a lifestyle, and the writing is basically a collection of completely abstract images and words as they develop their critique and analysis of the world they live in. They're eventually met by people with sight, and the description of their environment is what really appeals to me. The ignoring of typical architecture because...well, they can't see!

I think you should most definetely consider "the blind" or "the deaf" or some sort of sense deprivation as the centerpiece for a novel. It's an incredibly deep topic.

Hmm. Interesting.

Now... it comes to be what could make the most interesting novel/short story.

Eyesight... hmm, writing a novel without describing things with a visual image transcribed through someone who cannot see could be interesting, indeed.

Hearing... another possibility. I dont see such an extravagent perceptualization here.

Hmm. Got me thinking. I like the way you think, sir.

[QUOTE=metaliq]Hmm. Interesting.

Now... it comes to be what could make the most interesting novel/short story.

Eyesight... hmm, writing a novel without describing things with a visual image transcribed through someone who cannot see could be interesting, indeed.

Hearing... another possibility. I dont see such an extravagent perceptualization here.

Hmm. Got me thinking. I like the way you think, sir.[/QUOTE]

It's impossible for me to fathom what it's like for someone who is born blind...To have no specific references, yet to "hear" references. They know not what colors are.

Do they even know what darkness is? If they don't, what do they see? Ambient nothingness? Or do they actually see, just not what, or as we do? If you don't know what darkness is, what difference does it make? If it's all you think there is, is it not all that [I]is[/I]?

Solipsism. Mind-bending.

That makes me wonder... wow.

Would it be possible to write a novel so that the reader isn't aware that the main character is blind until well into it?

I think it would be an amazing idea.

[QUOTE=metaliq]That makes me wonder... wow.

Would it be possible to write a novel so that the reader isn't aware that the main character is blind until well into it?

I think it would be an amazing idea.[/QUOTE]

That is an absolutely brilliant idea. And with a little bit of creative elbow grease, I think you'd nail down an instant classic.

I'd buy and read, anyways.

I actually do think that's a brilliant idea, wow. You could shape the reader a landscape of this twisted sort of "malformed" and surrealistic quality. Crazy strange imagery coupled with mind-bending solipsistic ideals of what every-day things "look" like to these blind people. Only, they don't know that the people they're reading about are actually blind!

It'll be the kind of novel you'll be reading going "what the hell?" Not appriciating it at all until the end. That's genius IMO.

A blind man wouldn't have a concept of darkness, unless he was born with sight and later lost it. Otherwise, he has no frame of reference. And I think it would be impossible to write from the perspective of a character who from birth never had the use of his five senses, because he would have no concept of anything in the outside word. Even the idea of 'outside' would be meaningless to him.

[QUOTE=slackjaw]A blind man wouldn't have a concept of darkness, unless he was born with sight and later lost it. Otherwise, he has no frame of reference. And I think it would be impossible to write from the perspective of a character who from birth never had the use of his five senses, because he would have no concept of anything in the outside word. Even the idea of 'outside' would be meaningless to him.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. That's what we're pondering, the impossibility of "unknowing" what we already know.

"Even the idea of 'outside' would be meaningless to him."

Slackjaw, I believe that your statement is incorrect.

One could easily describe something through understand "what is".

If something is not "in" something, it is out of. The obvious opposites can essentially describe anything, such as good 'ol Orwell described through doublethink.

You dont need sight to "see".

But other than that, I agree. :)


Hmm. Do you think I should take up the challenge Sade? I have been thinking about something to write about for a long time and when this idea came into my head a few weeks ago, I kind of considered it pretty decent... but now that it is evolving into something more, I think it may be worth my time.

[QUOTE=metaliq]"Even the idea of 'outside' would be meaningless to him."

Slackjaw, I believe that your statement is incorrect.

One could easily describe something through understand "what is".

If something is not "in" something, it is out of. The obvious opposites can essentially describe anything, such as good 'ol Orwell described through doublethink.

You dont need sight to "see".

But other than that, I agree. :)


Hmm. Do you think I should take up the challenge Sade? I have been thinking about something to write about for a long time and when this idea came into my head a few weeks ago, I kind of considered it pretty decent... but now that it is evolving into something more, I think it may be worth my time.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. I would get working on it right away. It's a mind shattering topic, and it will probably tax every ounce of creative energy you have, but it is most def. something you should at least attempt to tackle.

[QUOTE=Sade]Absolutely. I would get working on it right away. It's a mind shattering topic, and it will probably tax every ounce of creative energy you have, but it is most def. something you should at least attempt to tackle.[/QUOTE]

Hmm. I think I may.

Now I need to think more about this... which I will probably continue to do outside of the forum - idea wise. It may be best to keep some of the suspense left to the reader rather than scripting it out here.

These last few posts have been pretty groundbreaking though. :)

Hmph. I still need to study up on some Logic homework stuff. Woo hoo.

That Calc test tommorow isn't getting any futher away, either.

Damn.

Integration or diferentiation?

integration = the devil

Don't wear shirts. Nipples have eyes, too.

They do.

The nipples have long since been oppressed. The armageddon will be brought by these little ovular beings of false-logic.

So says the Aztecs, anyways.

*"So say the Aztecs, anyways" Sade. Ah, nipples will cause armageddon? That's an interesting idea, I must research *opens google* lol.

[QUOTE=DeadReligion]*"So say the Aztecs, anyways" Sade. Ah, nipples will cause armageddon? That's an interesting idea, I must research *opens google* lol.[/QUOTE]

Don't you watch Fox?

It's all over that place!

Oh wait, those aren't nipples...those are just Bill O'Reily's moles.

My bad.

I've just had the best, and the most depressing 24 hours in my life.

Best because my best friend has finally gotten over the girl I really really like, I would go as far as saying love, but at my age it's a rather strong word to use. This of course means that we can finally be together without hurting my friend (we were together but stopped because we didn't wanna hurt him - we're all really close mates).

Also last night me and my friend went to a 'dinner party' that was immense fun, and after rather too many shots of malibu we went home and decided we'd go for a walk along the beach at 1am, that was a good laugh.


And the depressing;

I haven't been on the computer for 24 hours.

Your ideas for this novel type thing really are fascinating, I'm going to go talk to a family friend that was blind from the age of 2, as I guess he's not going to have any/many memories of sight. It could be quite interesting, listening to him talk about his experiences etc. I've got a few ideas for a piece of prose as well triggered from your chatter, that isn't entirely connected, but a story line kinda clicked into place as I read more of the thread.


Anyway, hope everyone's ok and writing :)

Timmy

[QUOTE=slackjaw]A blind man wouldn't have a concept of darkness, unless he was born with sight and later lost it. Otherwise, he has no frame of reference. And I think it would be impossible to write from the perspective of a character who from birth never had the use of his five senses, because he would have no concept of anything in the outside word. Even the idea of 'outside' would be meaningless to him.[/QUOTE]

You know what. I really would buy and read a novel like that. I did do a short story with a dumb character as lead, but that isn't as difficult as it seems. Basically, as the dumb character can't communicate except with action (I set it in a ficticious feudal Japanese village so there isn't a developed sign language), he acts more as a narrator who can touch and appear within the story. It worked alright because according to the few people who actually read it on my English course it allowed a person to interact with the characters more, but I think blindness would be much tougher to tackle.

Hmmm... stories. I've been toyign with a full length novel based on a twisted distortion of a random feminist piece I read, but that was a bit rubbish. Maybe I should get to work on a another project (not related to this blindness idea though as it sounds like Sade and Metaliq are looking into that).

sorry if im being a dumbass here, but what kind of music does this band play. they seem to be good from what you guys are saying, but i wanna know the kind of music, and then i may buy an album. also, can i get a definate one album to buy? just one. thanks

We give you a lot of love and support, Timmy.

gogogo

Lmao, Sade.

Here's some fun Freudian psychology:
If you put "id" into an accent, you get an accident.

I have a question: How come many of you don't bother to post entries in the LC? I mean some of you guys are pretty darned good writers. Just curious

[QUOTE=RunAmokRampant]I have a question: How come many of you don't bother to post entries in the LC? I mean some of you guys are pretty darned good writers. Just curious[/QUOTE]

I don't really view writing as a competition.

"Who can write the best about something" basically boils down to who can appeal, impersonally, to the largest majority with empty prose.

Doesn't appeal to me.

[QUOTE=RunAmokRampant]I have a question: How come many of you don't bother to post entries in the LC? I mean some of you guys are pretty darned good writers. Just curious[/QUOTE]'cause I'd get [b]pwned[/b].

Has anyone seen this list yet? Nominations for the hundred greatest lyrics made by "music experts" for the uk public to vote on. You all have to have a look because it's such a joke. Barely a passable lyric among all one hundred of them.

[URL="http://www.mtv.co.uk/mtvuk/shows/lyric.jhtml"]"Greatest Lyric[/URL]

:mad:

EDIT: I'd maybe only consider about five of these in a selection of the top one hundred.

I like Springstein's lyrics, not as complex poetry but I admire his writing and I also like some of the Dylan lyrics, but that's about it. No2 50 Cent? Possibly the worst lyricist of all time...

Or possibly because the list is in alphabetical order. Damien Rice was probably the best one on there. I didn't read most of them because I recognize a majority of those artists as being talentless hacks who don't even write their own lyrics.

That list sucked. But I love Motorhead. The Beatles are okay. The Clash rock. Dig the Pogues. The Police are okay, they chose a sh[I]i[/I]tty song though, the Ramones are okay. But yes, all in all, that is a list of pretty sucky writers right there.

Well-said, Ben. No Tom Waits? No "Hallelujah"?