this thread can barely stay alive on its own, why does it need its own forum?

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]this thread can barely stay alive on its own, why does it need its own forum?[/QUOTE]

Well, 243 postings is a bit much to have to weed through, and if you just jump in at the end you risk missing the...um...thread, so to speak.

[QUOTE=scotch]Well, 243 postings is a bit much to have to weed through, and if you just jump in at the end you risk missing the...um...thread, so to speak.[/QUOTE]

As I said earlier, there's no need for a blues forum unless this thread starts exploding with posts. If somehow it magically becomes popular and starts averaging a lot more than 3 or so posts a day, then we could think about asking the mods for a blues forum. It doesn't really make any sense to start a forum if there would only be like 8 people posting in it, which this basically is.

[QUOTE]So you're going to spam up Other Music just to bother the admins/mods into making a forum that will be sparsely populated?

Good work.[/QUOTE]
How is that spam? I was just saying it would move us alot closer to the goal of getting a blues forum if people made seperate threads instead of just condensing into one big thread.

Hey SJ. Stop Fighting with these people. I give up with them all. there not giving us a blues room so goodbye to them all. Heres a decent blues forum. Join me there and pass the word to all us bluesheads.

[url]http://www.bigroadblues.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID13&archive=[/url]

if the link dont work try.
wwwbigroadblues.com

[QUOTE=robo2448]As I said earlier, there's no need for a blues forum unless this thread starts exploding with posts. [/QUOTE]

If you said it earlier, why ****ing say it again? If you're going to bother to reply to me, say something that at least acknowledges my argument.

Good thread, wow there are actually people that know what they are taliing about. I was thinking this whole thread would be everybody talking about how Jimi Hendrix and SRV invented the blues or something, or the only true blues players. I think most people forget about so many blues legends, although they do not forget their songs because of bands like Led Zeppelin who kept playing them. Its really good alot of people are still talking about the music from the original blues musicians.

There are some notable blues musicians.

Robert Johnson - This is probaly the most well known blues musicians, from the Delta Blues. As most people know Eric Clapton made a full album of Robert Johnson covers, which is very good. Something this is amazing about Robert Johnson is how good of a musician he is, when Keith Richards of The Rolling Stones first heard him he said "Who is that other guy playing with him." Listen to him and you'll know why. I think the song Me And The Devil blues is one of his best songs.

Buddy Guy - I know he was already talked about alot already in this thread. He is from the Chicago Blues scene and used to play with Chess records. He could be considerd one of the most entertaining. Also Eric Clapton and Jimi Hendrix told him to goto England during the 60's because the kind of music Buddy was playing in Chicago was the kind of music that everyone was trying to play in England. Buddy still plays in Chicago.

I know I was talking about two of the most well known blues musicians and they were already talked about in this thread. Now, I think these are the blues musicians that are the ones people should listen to get into period of the blues. This is a list of some good blues musicians to check out.

Some Blues musicians that are considered the first of modern blues.

Tampa Red
Sonny Boy Williamson
Robert Lockwood
Pinetop and Lindberg
Peetie Wheatstraw
Son House
Cow Cow Davenport

There are many others that could be considered the first,those are some.

Some from the later are.

Muddy Waters
Carey Bell
Junoir Wells
Willie Dixon
Howlin' Wolf

There are alot of others. I know alot of people want some recommendations on which period of blues to check out. Maybe I said alot that has already been said in this thread, doesnt matter. If i said something wrong say it. I know alot of those musicians were already talked about.

The most talk there was in this thread was about getting Blues forum, if we get a forum, we will have to have good blues discussion first so the mods know they have to get a forum for it.

Bluesman that is a good blues forum too.

[QUOTE=sandman420]Good thread, wow there are actually people that know what they are taliing about. I was thinking this whole thread would be everybody talking about how Jimi Hendrix and SRV invented the blues or something, or the only true blues players.[/QUOTE]

Ye of little faith, you forget who you're dealing with. :p

[QUOTE=Tom]I wonder why


If the blues forum comes it will be strictly blues though.[/QUOTE]

Well theres like an overbalanace of metal over rock..and for people like me who...dislike...metal it kind of sucks.

And if its just blues I'd be fine with that.

[QUOTE=sandman420]
Some Blues musicians that are considered the first of modern blues.

Tampa Red
Sonny Boy Williamson
Robert Lockwood
Pinetop and Lindberg
Peetie Wheatstraw
Son House
Cow Cow Davenport
[/QUOTE]

Take out Robert Lockwood Jr. and put in Charley Patton. I consider Lockwood Jr. to be the greatest blues guitarist still alive, but the fact of the matter is he was Robert Johnson's protegé. He came after the Delta blues was established. Charley Patton is often considered the originator of the Delta blues. He was also one of the best Delta blues musicians to ever play.

[QUOTE]Hey SJ. Stop Fighting with these people. I give up with them all. there not giving us a blues room so goodbye to them all. Heres a decent blues forum. Join me there and pass the word to all us bluesheads.

[url]http://www.bigroadblues.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID13&archive=[/url]

if the link dont work try.
wwwbigroadblues.com[/QUOTE]
Im there, same username btw. whats yours?

and im giving up on the blues forum thing, if they want to be stupid and leave out something that big, then Im not going to bother. its sad that they wont even give a sub-forum a test run.

[QUOTE=DemBonez]Take out Robert Lockwood Jr. and put in Charley Patton. I consider Lockwood Jr. to be the greatest blues guitarist still alive, but the fact of the matter is he was Robert Johnson's protegé. He came after the Delta blues was established. Charley Patton is often considered the originator of the Delta blues. He was also one of the best Delta blues musicians to ever play.[/QUOTE]

I was actually talking about Robert Nighthawk, I said Robert Lockwood Jr. for some reason. I dont know why i didn't have Charley Patton on that list. I say he is one of the most important blues musicians. Charley Patton as well as an amzing musician, is considerd one of the most entertaining. Talking about him Robert Lockwood Jr. is an amazing player.

[QUOTE=superjoe 2.0]Im there, same username btw. whats yours?

and im giving up on the blues forum thing, if they want to be stupid and leave out something that big, then Im not going to bother. its sad that they wont even give a sub-forum a test run.[/QUOTE]
I agree. this is why im leaving here.I just saw your new post over at the blues forum. my new name is Blues Power. The blues site is not as sophisticated as this one and the pages dont fly at 100 a day. it dont have all the features and search functions but its all blues. i find it much calmer and no flaming so far. the menbers sceem older and more serious. best of all its all blues so i dont have to hear about becker and satch and vai all day. not that anything is worng wioth them but im not interested with them.

see you over on the onther side.

[QUOTE]I agree. this is why im leaving here.I just saw your new post over at the blues forum. my new name is Blues Power. The blues site is not as sophisticated as this one and the pages dont fly at 100 a day. it dont have all the features and search functions but its all blues. i find it much calmer and no flaming so far. the menbers sceem older and more serious. best of all its all blues so i dont have to hear about becker and satch and vai all day. not that anything is worng wioth them but im not interested with them.

see you over on the onther side.[/QUOTE]
Im not leaving mx for good, I still like the guitar forum.

[QUOTE=sandman420]

Tampa Red
Sonny Boy Williamson
Robert Lockwood
Pinetop and Lindberg
Peetie Wheatstraw
Son House
Cow Cow Davenport

[/QUOTE]

A couple of pianists in there. That's nice to see.

I think we should talk about Jimmy Reed. He's one of the main blues musicians that helped shape rock and roll. He has a very well known sound as well as having some of his songs considered standards of the Blues. The Rolling Stones used to play alot of covers of his songs too.

[QUOTE=Ned]A couple of pianists in there. That's nice to see.[/QUOTE]

Pianists have been too out of fashion in the blues since T-Bone Walker became a legend in the 40's. Most of the guys who made an impact started playing before the 40's, the only one who I can think of that hasn't was Otis Spann. People like Memphis Slim and Jay McShann were playing late 30's/early 40's and continued on making great music after that. It's a shame that the piano has been weeded out of the blues so much.

[QUOTE]Pianists have been too out of fashion in the blues since T-Bone Walker became a legend in the 40's. Most of the guys who made an impact started playing before the 40's, the only one who I can think of that hasn't was Otis Spann. People like Memphis Slim and Jay McShann were playing late 30's/early 40's and continued on making great music after that. It's a shame that the piano has been weeded out of the blues so much.[/QUOTE]
Theres lots of great piano on the Bluesbreakers with Clapton album.

Has anybody got the guitar tabs for Robert Johnson - I'm a steady rollin' Man, I can find it anywhere?

[QUOTE=Gypsy Campervan]Has anybody got the guitar tabs for Robert Johnson - I'm a steady rollin' Man, I can find it anywhere?[/QUOTE]

If you don't mind paying $25, the book "Robert Johnson: The New Transcriptions" has the most accurate Robert Johnson tabs I've seen. And it's got all 29 songs that he's recorded.. Not every take, but it's still a good book and well worth the money.

[QUOTE=PID08]If you don't mind paying $25, the book "Robert Johnson: The New Transcriptions" has the most accurate Robert Johnson tabs I've seen. And it's got all 29 songs that he's recorded.. Not every take, but it's still a good book and well worth the money.[/QUOTE]

I hope it has traditional notation as well. If it does, and the transcriptions are very accurate, as you suggest, (and include vocal transcriptions as well), I'd say it's well worth $25. Tell me more.

[QUOTE=Ned]I hope it has traditional notation as well. If it does, and the transcriptions are very accurate, as you suggest, (and include vocal transcriptions as well), I'd say it's well worth $25. Tell me more.[/QUOTE]

It's got lyrics, standard notation for vocals and guitar, and tablature for guitar.

amazon.com has it about $10 cheaper than the retail price on the back.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0793589193/qid=1127698920/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-7856613-2172868?v=glance&s=books[/url]

I saw that book in a music store on the weekend, I nearly bought it but then I realised I wasnt good enough.

One thing that annoys me about Hal Leonard rock guitar transcriptions is that they always show the note bent from, never the note bent to, and thus you never see on the page what you're hearing.

Another that annoys me is that Hal Leonard bending notation is needlessly complicated. The very well-established portamento notation for violin-family instruments (which in this context is called "glissando"), is a diagonal line. The diagonal line, strictly speaking, means slide along the string. Sliding along a violin string produces portamento because a violin is unfretted, but sliding along a guitar string does not produce portamento. The solution is simply to turn the diagonal line into a diagonal arrow. Unless you're using a bar, a downward bend on the guitar is obviously a "pre-bend" released, and thus a "pre-bend" released requires no special notation. If the guitar is bending from a note not sounded in its own right, and you want to show what note it is, simply draw in parentheses a small filled-in notehead with no stem. If you want to show how long the bend takes, which should not normally be necessary, simply write =q (an actual quarter note, or whatever note value, not really the letter "q") directly above the diagonal arrow.

[QUOTE=PID08]It's got lyrics, standard notation for vocals and guitar, and tablature for guitar.

amazon.com has it about $10 cheaper than the retail price on the back.

[/QUOTE]

Sold.

woody mann puts out a good book on RJ transciptions

im really getting into the blues, i first listened to stuff like leadbelly and muddy waters and robert johnson, but i listen to much more blues rock like cream, led zeppelin etc, im learning the blues on guitar, its a great thing to play on guitar. this is my first post by the way and i call for a FULL blues board added to the forum, i have used mx forum before, i was quite a prolific poster about a year ago. :thumb: i find it interesting how led zeppelin stole most of there songs from the old blues players without giving credit.

I recently purchased Howlin' Wolf-The London Sessions. Does anyone here beside Pink Freud have it?

hey all, other than the blues scales and all the techniques in the blues lessons articles on here, is there anything else to know about playing it? I'm experimenting with a slide and that at the moment, and I'm getting faster and faster all the time but I can't help but feel like I'm only scratching the surface. Any links to any good bluesy sites that could help me out?

when i got my guitar and started my dad taught me the pentatonic scale and the blues scale but recently ive been dieing to learn more so i got this book called 'complete learn to play blues manual:beginner to professional level' and its pretty good, it starts slow telling you about blues chords, scales and progressions/structures etc and its really very easy to understand, then towards the end of the book (where i havent got to yet) it seems to contain some very advanced stuff in alot of different styles, delta blues, chicago blues, RnB etc. This book is worth buying. :thumb: ps i think it also includes slide techniques.

[QUOTE=umbilical_mind]hey all, other than the blues scales and all the techniques in the blues lessons articles on here, is there anything else to know about playing it? I'm experimenting with a slide and that at the moment, and I'm getting faster and faster all the time but I can't help but feel like I'm only scratching the surface. Any links to any good bluesy sites that could help me out?[/QUOTE]

This link may help, it's about Muddy Water's style:

[url]http://www.fenderplayersclub.com/pdfs/lessons/muddy_style.pdf[/url]

Check out the video link at the top (you can choose between quicktime and WMP)

It's just a small lesson, but maybe it'll help.

[QUOTE=Livewired]I recently purchased Howlin' Wolf-The London Sessions. Does anyone here beside Pink Freud have it?[/QUOTE]

Is this the thing with Eric Clapton and Ringo Starr? Who else?

Steve Winwood, Hubert Sumlin, Bill Wyman(Rolling Stones) and Charlie Watts.

[QUOTE=Ned]Is this the thing with Eric Clapton and Ringo Starr? Who else?[/QUOTE]

Ringo only played on one track, "I Ain't Superstitious." The personnel was:

[B]Howlin' Wolf[/B] - Vocals, Harmonica on two tracks, and guitar on one track
[B]Eric Clapton[/B] - Lead guitar
[B]Bill Wyman[/B] - Bass, Shaker, and Cowbell
[B]Charlie Watts[/B] - Drums, Conga, and Percussion
[B]Hubert Sumlin[/B] - 2nd Guitar
[B]Jeffery Carp[/B] - Harmonica
[B]Ian Stewart[/B] - Original Piano
[B]Steve Winwood[/B] - Overdubbed Piano and Organ

[B]Ringo (credited as "Richie")[/B] - Drums on "I Ain't Superstitious"
[B]Klaus Voorman[/B] - Bass on "I Ain't Superstitious"
[B]John Simon[/B] - Piano on "Who's Been Talking?"
[B]Phil Upchurch[/B] - Bass on "Rockin' Daddy"
[B]Lafayette Leake[/B] - Piano on "Sittin' On Top Of The World", "Worried About My Baby", and "The Red Rooster"
[B]Joe Miller, Jordan Sadnke, Dennis Lansing[/B] - Horns


The album really isn't that good. It helped introduce the world to Wolf as a musician, but the actual songs fluctuate from good to bad. There aren't any real standout songs or solos, and the original Wolf version is most of the time better.

Thats what I was thinking when I first heard it. $5 isn a bad buy though.

i just got this from a friend online, gonna give it a listen

Earl Hooker is a cool blues guitarist.

I havent heard any of his music but I have heard of him.

[QUOTE=DemBonez]Ringo only played on one track, "I Ain't Superstitious." The personnel was:

[B]Howlin' Wolf[/B] - Vocals, Harmonica on two tracks, and guitar on one track
[B]Eric Clapton[/B] - Lead guitar
[B]Bill Wyman[/B] - Bass, Shaker, and Cowbell
[B]Charlie Watts[/B] - Drums, Conga, and Percussion
[B]Hubert Sumlin[/B] - 2nd Guitar
[B]Jeffery Carp[/B] - Harmonica
[B]Ian Stewart[/B] - Original Piano
[B]Steve Winwood[/B] - Overdubbed Piano and Organ

[B]Ringo (credited as "Richie")[/B] - Drums on "I Ain't Superstitious"
[B]Klaus Voorman[/B] - Bass on "I Ain't Superstitious"
[B]John Simon[/B] - Piano on "Who's Been Talking?"
[B]Phil Upchurch[/B] - Bass on "Rockin' Daddy"
[B]Lafayette Leake[/B] - Piano on "Sittin' On Top Of The World", "Worried About My Baby", and "The Red Rooster"
[B]Joe Miller, Jordan Sadnke, Dennis Lansing[/B] - Horns


The album really isn't that good. It helped introduce the world to Wolf as a musician, but the actual songs fluctuate from good to bad. There aren't any real standout songs or solos, and the original Wolf version is most of the time better.[/QUOTE]

The story I heard (or read) is that no matter what the rock musicians did, it was, according to Howlin' Wolf, always wrong. Ringo gave up very early and left, but Clapton stayed to the bitter end until finally Howlin' Wolf said, "That's it."

If you can find Bill Dahl's liner notes somewhere, I'd suggest reading that. It gives a pretty good perspective (through the eyes of Norman Dayron, the producer) of what happened. I'd be willing to summarize if you need it, but I am too busy right now.


As for Earl Hooker, he is the greatest blues guitarist ever. His tone is just magnificent, and he slides better than Nighthawk and James combined.