yeah -what to do with the revenue from gigs...

also, how to deal with 'creative differences' (ie the guitarist's always too stoned to practice)

[QUOTE](ie the guitarist's always too stoned to practice)[/QUOTE]

tell him to kick it or you'll kick him?





























And then sack him aswell?

haha - I recommend plugging his lead into the mains socket while he isn't looking... :naughty:

[QUOTE=Jason101]yeah -what to do with the revenue from gigs...
[/QUOTE]

Thats pretty simple isn't it? Your not exactly going to throw it away. You could buy new gear or anything you want to spend it on.

[QUOTE=Jason101]also, how to deal with 'creative differences' [/QUOTE]
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This would be nice.

[QUOTE=Licketysplit]Thats pretty simple isn't it? Your not exactly going to throw it away. You could buy new gear or anything you want to spend it on.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but what gear is appropriate to buy?? What equipment makes good investments? Outside of musical equipment, what investments, such as websites or advertisement, might you want to make?

get a bank account and throw it in there, then its collecting interest while you walkla round trying to figure out what to blow it on.

Captain Obvious^^

:) thats me

For sending it to yourself you say that someone else could send themselves an empty parcel and then put your work in it. But wouldn't you send it to yourself before selling it to people so then when they send themselves a blank parcel wouldn't it just have a date later then urs. So you have it copyrighted not them?

[QUOTE=Implements Of Destruction]For sending it to yourself you say that someone else could send themselves an empty parcel and then put your work in it. But wouldn't you send it to yourself before selling it to people so then when they send themselves a blank parcel wouldn't it just have a date later then urs. So you have it copyrighted not them?[/QUOTE]

Aye, It'd be your copyright because you would be able to prove having it before they did, thus you would be able to prove being the creator.

Another question about copyrighting:

If you just type alt 0169 (on the num pad on your keyboard), which gives you the "©" symbol, does this qualify as copyrighting? Can you usually get away with doing this?

i wouldn;t htink so, seeing as you can just slap any old date on there, you need to have proof that it was created then (thus the postage stamp)

[QUOTE=XemoXmoshXpitX]Another question about copyrighting:

If you just type alt 0169 (on the num pad on your keyboard), which gives you the "©" symbol, does this qualify as copyrighting? Can you usually get away with doing this?[/QUOTE]

if its your copyright, sure, i guess

[QUOTE=XemoXmoshXpitX]Another question about copyrighting:

If you just type alt 0169 (on the num pad on your keyboard), which gives you the "©" symbol, does this qualify as copyrighting? Can you usually get away with doing this?[/QUOTE]

I'm not too sure what context do you mean?
Just generally putting the symbol on a cd or on a website?
It merely shows that the item in question is protected by copyright, in terms of cd's and notation it doesn't count as copyright.

So if I were to put:

© 2004 Joe Smith




Would that count?

[QUOTE=XemoXmoshXpitX]So if I were to put:

© 2004 Joe Smith




Would that count?[/QUOTE]

well, it sure as hell won't stand up in court.

But it may put anyone off trying to steal anything and remind them the site pictures, etc., are yours

hey K, how about something about how to make good logos for your band, asa well as how to make some good album covers, on a budget? Something more origional than a pghoto of the band, without spending tonnes on an artist?

KKKKKocaine (nice articles by the way :thumb: ), I read somewhere that on the document or whatever is inside the envelope you'd have to have © 2004 Joe Smith (sorry about scabbing that example) on the particular item in some place, even though it's in the envelope... is that true?

Also, if two people who live at different places worked on it, would you address it to...
Joe Smith and John Thompson
(Joe's address)
?
or just one person but inside say © Joe Smith & John Thompson 2004?

[QUOTE=XemoXmoshXpitX]So if I were to put:

© 2004 Joe Smith




Would that count?[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately not, the '©' merely indicates that the work is protected by copyright, However you need to have dated proof of creation to actually have the copyright. So just having that on the document would be like a "beware of the dog" sign on your fence, There isn't really a dog to be afraid of, but it might scare off a few people all the same.

[QUOTE]Also, if two people who live at different places worked on it, would you address it to...
Joe Smith and John Thompson
(Joe's address)
?
or just one person but inside say © Joe Smith & John Thompson 2004?[/QUOTE]

Yeah you'd have to address it to one person but put both on the copyright footnote.
If you worked on it with John but only put down © Joe Smith, then you'd be breaking the law.

[QUOTE]I read somewhere that on the document or whatever is inside the envelope you'd have to have © 2004 Joe Smith (sorry about scabbing that example) on the particular item in some place, even though it's in the envelope... is that true?[/QUOTE]

Hmm, I'm not too sure about that one, Although it won't hurt to stick it on there, just as an extra form of protection.

[QUOTE]hey K, how about something about how to make good logos for your band, asa well as how to make some good album covers, on a budget? Something more origional than a pghoto of the band, without spending tonnes on an artist?[/QUOTE]

Ok, Next Issue, Band Revenue Management and Graphical Promotion :P All fancy.

[QUOTE=KKKKKocaine]Ok, Next Issue, Band Revenue Management and Graphical Promotion :P All fancy.[/QUOTE]
Awesome!

Yeah, sweet :D

Thanks for answering my question, KKKKKocaine.

Woot, first post.

Anyways, this is by far the most helpful thing I've read (been lurking on the site for a while :P). Just want to say that it's appreciated.

[QUOTE=unclebobscircus]Woot, first post.

Anyways, this is by far the most helpful thing I've read (been lurking on the site for a while :P). Just want to say that it's appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Hey, k, got yourself a fan :lol:

[QUOTE=moaner]Hey, k, got yourself a fan :lol:[/QUOTE]

Don't confuse that with groupie ^^

[QUOTE=unclebobscircus]Woot, first post.

Anyways, this is by far the most helpful thing I've read (been lurking on the site for a while :P). Just want to say that it's appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Tah Brah :thumb:

My computer has only just got fixed, So I'm working on the new issues now.
We just got given the live recordings of our set, which is jolly nice, We are currently thinking of a cunning plan.
First we must enlist our replacement bassist as the other quit, then we finish off the songs in the final practice, get the 3 track demo done, 'Sweet Memories', 'Points Of Contention' and 'Romance on a switchblade', throw the demo around, Creative FM, venues e.t.c., Then put together a little 7-track goody, the 3 demo tracks with the 4 live tracks, I worked out that to have it printed with a 2 page booklet would amount to £1.85, thus selling them at £2 would be both a reasonable price and would result in a tasty 15p profit.

:)

Nice. Even though it looks to me that I won't be at that stage for a while, the tips were helpful and i'll be using them in the future. :D

[QUOTE=KKKKKocaine]Tah Brah :thumb:

My computer has only just got fixed, So I'm working on the new issues now.
We just got given the live recordings of our set, which is jolly nice, We are currently thinking of a cunning plan.
First we must enlist our replacement bassist as the other quit, then we finish off the songs in the final practice, get the 3 track demo done, 'Sweet Memories', 'Points Of Contention' and 'Romance on a switchblade', throw the demo around, Creative FM, venues e.t.c., Then put together a little 7-track goody, the 3 demo tracks with the 4 live tracks, I worked out that to have it printed with a 2 page booklet would amount to £1.85, thus selling them at £2 would be both a reasonable price and would result in a tasty 15p profit.

:)[/QUOTE]

£2 for an EP with 4 live tracks?

**** thats cheap. Haven't you got recording costs to cover?

If they recorded it themselves (did you? I'm not sure) they wouldn't have to bother about recording costs.

[QUOTE=moaner]£2 for an EP with 4 live tracks?

**** thats cheap. Haven't you got recording costs to cover?[/QUOTE]

We're not really looking to take too much of a profit out of it, It's mostly for promotion and to get something out, We may be upping it to £3 if we fit another track or so on it, Which would give us about £60 profit if we sell 50, (£1.85 manufacturing each CD) It will still leave us about £60 short of recouping our recording costs, but we're going to hope to compensate for this with merch sales, e.g. 100 5x10 patches, costing £23, Selling at £1.50+p&p will require about 15 sales to break even, then we have another potential £127 of sales.

Also, In Jan, We are going to be experimenting with some new recording equipment I'm getting, So we may be producing an album on that, which will cut down on costs.

So when are the issues coming out?

[QUOTE=KKKKKocaine]We're not really looking to take too much of a profit out of it, It's mostly for promotion and to get something out, We may be upping it to £3 if we fit another track or so on it, Which would give us about £60 profit if we sell 50, (£1.85 manufacturing each CD) It will still leave us about £60 short of recouping our recording costs, but we're going to hope to compensate for this with merch sales, e.g. 100 5x10 patches, costing £23, Selling at £1.50+p&p will require about 15 sales to break even, then we have another potential £127 of sales.

Also, In Jan, We are going to be experimenting with some new recording equipment I'm getting, So we may be producing an album on that, which will cut down on costs.[/QUOTE]

a freinds band ocvered recording and manufacturing costs with a large gig, so that sales from their EP would be 100% profit. Not a bad idea, actually. Patches is a good idea actually, is it just your band logo?

<awaits episode with tips on how to make a proffessional looking logo with PSP and a digital camera>

speaking of psp....is there a place where I can get a free download?

[QUOTE=XemoXmoshXpitX]speaking of psp....is there a place where I can get a free download?[/QUOTE]

Just download the demo from their site and keep turning your clock back. It works. I've used it like that for a year before I got Photoshop. But you didn't hear it from me.

[QUOTE=Itwasthatwas]Just download the demo from their site and keep turning your clock back. It works. I've used it like that for a year before I got Photoshop. But you didn't hear it from me.[/QUOTE]

even more efficient:

set your clock to 2025.

Install demo, set it up. You have 30 days remaining.

Set clock back to correct time. You have 30 days remaining. You still have 30 days remaining. Still. Yup.

They may have fixed this now everyone has broadband and it can check the date online. worth a try.

I'm just currently working on visual examples for the article.

ooo going all out on this one? I'm looking forward to it :D

Just got ahold of this article from an emergenza tour website. I thought it might be fit for this thread.



The support of media is an essential tool in marketing music. For this reason, it is essential that an artist has a presentation package ready, that is basically a demo and a press kit.
Here you may find listed the 10 rules (or ingredients) of a good press kit.
1 - CONTACT INFORMATION has to be clearly visible on EVERY PART of the kit. Be sure that the band’s logo is place on the front cover. The promotional material must be neatly written and laid out.
2 – COVER LETTER: when you send your press kit to a specific persons, never forget a specific introductory letter.
3 – BREVITY is the rule! Each section of the press kit should not be more than 1 page long.
4 - BIO/FACT SHEET: Point out key info on the musician(s): name, genre, brief statement, background of the band, background of each member, accomplishments, current projects. Make your bio informative and stimulating, and remember who you are writing for. Music professionals are very busy persons, and may deal with dozens of press kits like yours every week. Make them want to listen to your music!
5 – PRESS CUTS: reviews of records and concerts. Be sure to collect as many of them as possible, but do not exaggerate filling your press kit with dozens of them.
6 – ‘WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT US’: quote sheets written by professionals. (producers, bookers, other respected musicians), with positive comments about your music.
7 – CD INSERT with song titles (and lyrics - optional), copyright info, credits.
8 – OFFICIAL PUBLICITY PHOTO: like the cover of your CD, your official publicity photo is one of the most effective part of the press kit, because sets your visual image, and the impact on your ‘future’ fans. Remember that your photo must look good when reduced for printing on the media. It is usually black&white, glossy.
9 – OTHER PHOTOS: insert in the press kit a selection of studio shots, location shots and venue shots. Make sure the photographer you choose has experience in the music field.
10 – Be sure that your press kits reflects an image that is appropriate for your music.

should the vocal amp be placed behind or in front of the guitar amps when playing live?

a USD to £ conversion would be EXTREMELY helpful, as i have no idea what dollar figures we're talking about here. The compilation album idea is genius, and my bandmates and I have decided to do just that, rather than recording a 5 track cd. Some of this stuff has helped tremendously!

An article (or at least mini-article) idea: cool things to do in concert
this could include pyrotechnics, competitions for who can moan the best (your idea kkkkkocain), story of the year style acrobatics, wrapping the bassist completely up in cellophane etc.