[QUOTE=Griffin_Page]I wanna yell like Tom Araya.[/QUOTE]

There's no technique to that. Yell.

I wanna try like a mixture of screams, i wanna be ablke to like scream like Wayne Static, the dude from Atreyu, Davey Havok, and George from the Casualties. So yeah, any help on any of the screams would be nice.

[QUOTE=JayLink]Hey Osirisblind:
Chris # 2 has a very powerful tenor voice...he is basically shouting on key in his chest voice...he has a lot of support. On the two tracks I heard he has a bit of microphone distortion going on...he has a naturally gritty quality to his voice.
80's rock singer Bob Seeger had this gravely quality to his voice for years & ended up with many nodes & needed operations to have them removed..
When you try to get this effect vocally, make sure you keep your throat muscles relaxed & try to push from the diaphram...Again, this is a hard style of singing, so keep on practicing.... no more that 1/2 hour a day to build on this kind of vocal style..until you feel comfortable & not hoarse & pain in the throat after a few songs...

Jay[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I've been practising that and it's helping a bit but I dont know if I'm doing it right. Could you explain a bit more on how to keep my throat relaxed and push from my diaphragm? Thanks again and I'll try to post a clip if I can.

Hey Jay. I can't wait for your site! It comes out this week right?

[QUOTE=Underoath]Hey Jay. I can't wait for your site! It comes out this week right?[/QUOTE]

Hey Underoath...
We will be putting up the page for sign ups by the end of this week..
the url will be [url]www.rock-vocals.com[/url]
Like I said, I can only take 50 students or so....
you can sign up on the pre-launch & guarantee a spot.
I will try to keep the cost for a month of lessons very low, plus we will set up an interactive ftp site when you can get vocal exercises & also leave your vocals for my observation and critique. As we progress with the site, I will take the 10 or 15 most serious students & do some telephone chats & we will have other things going on soon.
I want to advertise the site here on mx but, I want to make sure it goes in the right spot. I guess classifieds.
I will post here when the site is up.I am very excited about getting started.

Take Care,

Jay

How can you sign up on the pre-launch?

[QUOTE=Underoath]How can you sign up on the pre-launch?[/QUOTE]

Hey Underoath,
We will have an e mail address set up on the front page, even before the web site goes live.
Send an e mail with your info, & you will be first in line to get hooked up.
More details will follow.

Jay

alright, every time i scream it comes out like real high, mainly 'cause i'm a girl, but then end up wrecking my band mates ear drums, and i think it's easier to scream from the diafrm.

Yeah, whats a diaphram or whatever? Im a guy and whenever I scream it comes out high, and it sounds bad, yeah so anything? Im trying to get a scream like the used, finch, a static lullaby, or even thrice so if you could help with that thatd be nice, im really sorry if u already pointed this out but im not sure with all this voicey talk and 13 pages to sort through.

Oh yeah and when I scream it doesnt hurt my throat at all, am I just amazingly tough or am I doing it right without knowing it, im not really using your technique, noones been out of the house for a few days.

[QUOTE=sinkman]Yeah, whats a diaphram or whatever? Im a guy and whenever I scream it comes out high, and it sounds bad, yeah so anything? Im trying to get a scream like the used, finch, a static lullaby, or even thrice so if you could help with that thatd be nice, im really sorry if u already pointed this out but im not sure with all this voicey talk and 13 pages to sort through.

Oh yeah and when I scream it doesnt hurt my throat at all, am I just amazingly tough or am I doing it right without knowing it, im not really using your technique, noones been out of the house for a few days.[/QUOTE]

Hey Sinkman:
Here is a definition of a diaphram:
A diaphragm is a thin dome-shaped skeletal muscle that separates the thoracic and abdominal cavities. The diaphragm plays an important role in breathing: it contracts with each inspiration, becoming flattened downward and increasing the volume of the thoracic cavity so that air is drawn into the respiratory tract, and then, with expiration, it relaxes and is restored to its dome shape.

When you learn diaphram support, it really is just building up your lower chest muscles to be able to sing & support notes & breathing better.
I will try to find some of the better screaming articles for you & will posts the links soon form this site.

Take Care

Jay

haha I feel like im in science class, well thanks you very much

what is the best way to do the used scream?

I really wanna learn how to sing like robert plant from led zeppelin or the guy from acdc. I don't know if they are screaming, or what...

[QUOTE=Afi_kid]I wanna try like a mixture of screams, i wanna be ablke to like scream like Wayne Static, the dude from Atreyu, Davey Havok, and George from the Casualties. So yeah, any help on any of the screams would be nice.[/QUOTE]

i scream kinda along the lines of Alex (Atreyu) it is more in the throat and i think you either have it or dont... i dont know anyone who can scream like him... not that is is rare or amything.

Hey Guys....
In reference to screaming....
Opaque Miasma has a good point....
Every singers voice is unique...
Your range may be limited, higher or lower, tenor, high tenor, baritone etc...but before you guys go out & destroy your potentially good voices, you need to learn how to sing, diaphram support, other tools & tricks of the vocal trade. All the greatest screamers, are also some of the greatest singers. There is a reason for that.
They work hard, they train like an olympian, they all have vocal coaches, & they all practice for hours before live or studio gigs.
When you are starting out, it is OK to emulate (copy) your favorite singer or screamer, but the limitation & tone of your own voice may make some of the stuff you want to achieve almost impossible.
I have written in other threads about the effects & distortion & harmonizers pro singers use live & in-studio to achieve that rough edge vocal sound. so, there is so much more to it than just screaming yer lungs out till your tonsil blow up & you can't hardly speak in a whisper.
In my case, being a trained vocalist, I would have to hear what you sound like one on one by MP3 or phone or whatever.
I am working hard on a site that I think will benefit a lot of you younger rock vocalists.
Meanwhile I will try to answer as much as I can about the mechanics & basics of singing.
Singing in a rock band is one of the hardest band positions out there.....
Now, you know why a great vocalist is an asset & so hard to find..
All you young rock vocalist can be that kind of vocalist, with lots of hard work, dedication, & training, I can help with the basics, give you the tools, put you on the right track, the rest is up to you...
How far do you want to go??

Jay

Bump........

I have been working on my screaming and something just dont sound right...i dont know if i am pushing thru my gut right...and my throat feels a little scratchy while and after i am done...can some one help me out ?

can some one plz help??????

[QUOTE=Generals Warning]I have been working on my screaming and something just dont sound right...i dont know if i am pushing thru my gut right...and my throat feels a little scratchy while and after i am done...can some one help me out ?[/QUOTE]

Hey Generals....
I would need some more info from you to determine if you are singing right.
You might be pushing too much air , then your throat would begin to feel dry & scratchy.
DO you have anything with your voice recorded, with a band, by yourself, or even acapella?
What type of songs are you singing, and how old are you?

Jay

Hey Jay - I don't know how much of the advice I took from you guys, but I decided to make a quick recording of myself while my brother went to play outside. I guess it was no use, cause when he came in he told me that he heard me screaming from outside. ah well....

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/shagra.htm[/url]
i was screaming along to My Own Summer by the Deftones. I just recorded a little clip cause the rest sounded much too ****ty, and it would have been too big to bother to upload. I am thinking of being the background screamer for my band (i'm the guitarist). I'm 16 years old, and I've had around 7 years of classical training with a choir (st.michael's choir school). I don't have any effects on this track - i just have my mic(****ty one) running through my guitar amp with the reverb at max - i have my computer mic up to the speaker.

Please give me some advice Jay - thanks in advance

edit : I added a bit from Be Quiet and Drive - it's longer

[QUOTE=JayLink]Hey Generals....
I would need some more info from you to determine if you are singing right.
You might be pushing too much air , then your throat would begin to feel dry & scratchy.
DO you have anything with your voice recorded, with a band, by yourself, or even acapella?
What type of songs are you singing, and how old are you?

Jay[/QUOTE]

i dont have anything recorded...i am singing to the new underOATH and emery and i am 15

and also if i dont push out as much air as i do i can not get loud enough

How do you scream like A7X?.
and the really high pitched screams in some coheed and cambria songs ie the crowing

[QUOTE=Generals Warning]and also if i dont push out as much air as i do i can not get loud enough[/QUOTE]

That's what a mic is for ;)

can you put microphones through guitar effect pedals and into a PA? or are vocal effects always done after recording?

p.s. - JayLink - i need some advice about my screaming - it's a few posts up

Hey Shadedlife, I will answer this question & get back to you on the other post.
Usually in the studio, all vocals are recorded basically dry, with no effects or processing. While you are laying down the track (singing live) the engineer can add a bit of reverb or slight echo, just so it sounds a little warmer to you while you are singing. When you load in effect with the vocal track, you will find yourself going off pitch a lot because the effect make it hard to stay on key ...
Live, you can add procerssors & effect at your sound board & have your live mixer get you a good effected live vocal sound. Plus you can have a dry mix in your monitors or ear monitor so you can hear yourself better.
Hope than answers your question.

Jay

[QUOTE=shadedlife]Hey Jay - I don't know how much of the advice I took from you guys, but I decided to make a quick recording of myself while my brother went to play outside. I guess it was no use, cause when he came in he told me that he heard me screaming from outside. ah well....

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/shagra.htm[/url]
i was screaming along to My Own Summer by the Deftones. I just recorded a little clip cause the rest sounded much too ****ty, and it would have been too big to bother to upload. I am thinking of being the background screamer for my band (i'm the guitarist). I'm 16 years old, and I've had around 7 years of classical training with a choir (st.michael's choir school). I don't have any effects on this track - i just have my mic(****ty one) running through my guitar amp with the reverb at max - i have my computer mic up to the speaker.

Please give me some advice Jay - thanks in advance

edit : I added a bit from Be Quiet and Drive - it's longer[/QUOTE]


Hey Shadedlife:
Man, you got lots of power there...for sure..some of the inverse screams , you had the right idea, but they were kinda weak...
I think you have a great scream, but it sounds like you might be pushing too hard, to get the effect you want....try re recording with a bit less reverb , so I can hear your tone better... You also said you took choir & studied for 7 years. I would be interested in hearing your singing voice also...
I think you got something to work with & develop there..
Jay

shaded, your scream sucks, i am seriously going to message soundclick to take that garbage off, just quit. as for all the other newbs that like listening to sum sic slipknot and mudvayne bro, quit, that **** is ****ing gay and always has been gay, lets just like committ suicide and talk about the sikness. all of this is just too funny! listen to some good bands like black dahlia murder, necrophagist, arsis, arch enemy. but you guys probably won't think it's cool until a decade later, seriously all of you stop giving advice, you are seriously sounding like idiots...I am going to post this thread on as many message boards as possible..it's just way too funny.

[QUOTE=truth]shaded, your scream sucks, i am seriously going to message soundclick to take that garbage off, just quit. as for all the other newbs that like listening to sum sic slipknot and mudvayne bro, quit, that **** is ****ing gay and always has been gay, lets just like committ suicide and talk about the sikness. all of this is just too funny! listen to some good bands like black dahlia murder, necrophagist, arsis, arch enemy. but you guys probably won't think it's cool until a decade later, seriously all of you stop giving advice, you are seriously sounding like idiots...I am going to post this thread on as many message boards as possible..it's just way too funny.[/QUOTE]

Hey Big Man:
Put up or shut up.
Would love to hear you sing or scream. It's easy to hide behind a name & put people down.
Funny name for a guy who's talks Bulls***

Thanks a lot for the advice, Jay. I'll re-record the next time I have a chance. I can hear a bit of sound that has a high pitch that seems to be coming out along with my scream. Is that supposed to be there? I'd like to get rid of it, if possible.

[quote]I would be interested in hearing your singing voice also...[/quote]
i don't know if i'd be interested if I were you :) My singing voice needs a bit of development - I'm quite sure that my singing problems are all stemming from low confidence and such. I also haven't had many chances to sing out of the choral style, so my voice is set into the choral groove.
[quote]some of the inverse screams [/quote] which ones are inverse? I'm pretty sure I used the same technique on all of them .
[quote]shaded, your scream sucks[/quote]
thanks :)
[quote]listen to some good bands like black dahlia murder, necrophagist, arsis, arch enemy.[/quote]
I do.
[quote]seriously all of you stop giving advice, you are seriously sounding like idiots[/quote]
It's definitely better to sound like an idiot here than to sound like an idiot on-stage without a clue as to how to scream. wouldn't you agree?

wow - went a little quote-happy there. ahh well - everything in moderation, including moderation.

Hey Shaded...that guy is a goof ball..
Your doing real well for just starting out...

Jay

[quote]Hey Shaded...that guy is a goof ball..[/quote]I'm fully aware... .goof balls can be fun sometimes, but never when taken seriously. I've added a little bit from Five Pointe O's "untitled" onto my soundclick account... give it a listen when you have the time.. thanks Jay.

i am a beginner screamer and i am wondering why after i scream my falsetto voice is gone but my regular voice is fine?

you're probably screaming in a rough fashion through your falsetto voice.

[QUOTE=majestic]i am a beginner screamer and i am wondering why after i scream my falsetto voice is gone but my regular voice is fine?[/QUOTE]

I also find that when my voice isn't in good shape (dehydrated, sore etc) my falsetto is the first to go. I'm not sure why though.

Hey Guys, Usually when you punish your voice or push it too hard, & hell, we all do...I am just as guilty with all my training..lol
The falsetto goes first because your vocal chords become taunt & cannot vibrate in a normal manner, so once your falsetto voice is totally blown, like only a whisper comes out, you need to rest you voice for at least two days to let some healing take place...
Hot tea with honey...works well, & I use Chloroseptic, when there is any throat pain. so, if this happens consistantly, it means you are singing wrong & lessons will help you build up your voice , so this only happens once in a while & not constantly.

Jay

but if i lose my falsetto does that mean i am doing it right and just pushing to hard or something or am i screaming the wrong way?

but if i lose my falsetto does that mean i am doing it right and just pushing to hard or something or am i screaming the wrong way?

but if i lose my falsetto does that mean i am doing it right and just pushing to hard or something or am i screaming the wrong way?

Your just pushing your falsetto way too much. To produce falsetto your folds have to completly thin and they don't vibrate at all. Thats what makes its FALSEtto. The breath is what's producing the sound. So when you push and your fold's swell, they can't thin completley and your falsettos gone. To bring it back first relax then sing up and down scales on the vowel EE as in TEETH. Do this from your lowest to your highest. Don't worry about sound, just form