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1338 h4x0r 07-15-2008 11:49 AM

[QUOTE=Amit;16489114]silly old pete doesn't understand that culture and race have nothing in common[/QUOTE]

:lol:

OK, then, please tell me what sub-Saharan African and northern Indian culture have in common

Besides the immigration of Asian laborers to certain countries formerly under British control—which is a very recent phenomenon—I can't think of anything else

Cat got your tongue, white boy?

Amit 07-15-2008 11:54 AM

[QUOTE=Pete;16489412]yes metal isnt neoclassical but i mean, to deny the fact that certain metal songwriter takes inspiration from classical music is impossible to refute - if they themselves claim they do, it's fact.[/quote]

when you copy instrumentation or melodies, you aren't taking inspiration from classical music

i've covered this multiple times in both threads

[QUOTE=Pete;16489412]i'm just saying you have this way about you where everything is about proving everyone else wrong, so one day it's "western music is all the same" and the next its "nothing is anything like anything else" just for the sake of stirring up debate. which is a good thing though, because debate is what forums feed off of.[/quote]

i never said western music is all the same so i'm not really sure what you're talking about

[QUOTE=Pete;16489412]well, technically, [i]you[/i] were the one who didn't understand that to begin with, what with attacking some users whiteness. i'm just glad i helped you see the irony (which i hope you do) by using your kind of racial prejudice.[/quote]

i attack people's whiteness because it's hilarious; not because it's logically sound to do so

[QUOTE=Pete;16489412]idk but wouldn't that be a perfect example of name dropping if you did that? aren't we very opposed to that, idk?[/quote]

well you're asking for proof but you don't want any proof i am very confused

[QUOTE=Pete;16489412]this one, however, you'll have to explain. i dont think i made a single irrelevant point. like, not once did i mention my girlfriend or social life or high school popularity or anything.[/quote]

i think you have to realize that not everything i say is serious nor everything i say is facetious

many of users understand this how come you and 1338 can't

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16489423]:lol:

OK, then, please tell me what sub-Saharan African and northern Indian culture have in common

Besides the immigration of Asian laborers to certain countries formerly under British control—which is a very recent phenomenon—I can't think of anything else[/quote]

i don't consider myself wholly part of either culture so i'm not sure who you're referencing

when it comes to all the cultures i am in contact with, i'm more of a detached anthropologist instead of a dedicated subscriber to a single culture

1338 h4x0r 07-15-2008 12:01 PM

[QUOTE=Amit;16489438]i don't consider myself wholly part of either culture so i'm not sure who you're referencing[/QUOTE]

Wait

Are you half-black or something?

Amit 07-15-2008 12:04 PM

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16489468]Wait

Are you half-black or something?[/QUOTE]

no

why?

Dies Irae 07-15-2008 12:05 PM

i am

iarescientists 07-15-2008 12:05 PM

what is so funny about calling a white person white i do not understand

Amit 07-15-2008 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=iarescientists;16489484]what is so funny about calling a white person white i do not understand[/QUOTE]

it's hilarious because so many white people react so strongly to it

iarescientists 07-15-2008 12:07 PM

no they don't

1338 h4x0r 07-15-2008 12:08 PM

A name like Amit most likely belongs to a northern Indian, so it's pretty funny to watch a slightly darkened white boy claim to have a stronger connection to black culture than anyone else here.

Russell 07-15-2008 12:08 PM

lol white people lol

iarescientists 07-15-2008 12:08 PM

white people is crazy

Amit 07-15-2008 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=iarescientists;16489492]no they don't[/QUOTE]

[url]http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/[/url]

Amit 07-15-2008 12:09 PM

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16489495]A name like Amit most likely belongs to a northern Indian, so it's pretty funny to watch a slightly darkened white boy claim to have a stronger connection to black culture than anyone else here.[/QUOTE]

yeah eminem has no connection to black culture lol what a crazy guy

it's depressing that in the 21st century, race and culture are still perceived to be so inexorably tied together

Pete 07-15-2008 12:09 PM

[QUOTE=Amit;16489438]when you copy instrumentation or melodies, you aren't taking inspiration from classical music

i've covered this multiple times in both threads[/quote]
but when you write original arrangements and melodies inspired by classical music, you are taking inspiration from classical music. and basically, if someone says "i wrote this inspired by classical music" you cant factually say theyre wrong
[quote]i never said western music is all the same so i'm not really sure what you're talking about[/quote]
im sure you did, youre just being facetious amit
[quote]i attack people's whiteness because it's hilarious; not because it's logically sound to do so[/quote]
a-HAH! pete - 1, amit - 0 :cool:
[quote]well you're asking for proof but you don't want any proof i am very confused[/quote]
no, i was asking what you have provided on these here forums that couldnt just be dismissed as name dropping. since you play that card a lot yourself, i mean. i think youll find its very hard to "prove" anything this way, which is why i think you maybe should lighten up on trying to call people on their sh!t all the time, assuming theyre inferior to you. i mean, for all i know they might very well be, but on an internet message board we're all worth the same, its the beauty of internet anonymity.

[quote]i think you have to realize that not everything i say is serious nor everything i say is facetious

many of users understand this how come you and 1338 can't[/quote]
as with the last quote, the responses you give me are pretty much questions i want you to ask yourself

i thought you knew me by new, at least a little, after all we've posted with each other for years :(

1338 h4x0r 07-15-2008 12:09 PM

that stuff white people like site is pretty funny

and so is you saying European whites have no place to appreciate or even know about black African culture

[QUOTE=Amit;16489507]yeah eminem has no connection to black culture lol what a crazy guy[/QUOTE]

I hang out with large groups of South Africans and have been mistaken for a Boer

Amit 07-15-2008 12:12 PM

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16489509]that site is pretty funny

and so is you saying European whites have no place to appreciate or even know about black African culture[/QUOTE]

African culture != African American culture (which was the original culture in question)

but you might be so ignorant that you actually think they're one and the same

i mean you did mention fela kuti in response to chris brown so you aren't exactly inspiring a lot of confidence in me atm

iarescientists 07-15-2008 12:12 PM

[QUOTE=Amit;16489507]yeah eminem has no connection to black culture lol what a crazy guy

it's depressing that in the 21st century, race and culture are still perceived to be so inexorably tied together[/QUOTE]

yes exactly so i don't get why you get to be so in tune with black culture when you make fun of any white people talking about black culture.

1338 h4x0r 07-15-2008 12:13 PM

[QUOTE=Amit;16489517]African culture [b]>[/b] African American culture[/QUOTE]

fix'd

but tbh I thought you would have known that James Brown, et al. were a huge influence on afrobeat and soukous

I'm disappointed

Amit 07-15-2008 12:14 PM

[QUOTE=iarescientists;16489519]yes exactly so i don't get why you get to be so in tune with black culture when you make fun of any white people talking about black culture.[/QUOTE]

i only make fun of white people who talk about the wrong black culture

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16489526]African culture > African American culture[/QUOTE]

also here's another reason

but then again i'm not some gormless ethnocentrist

Pete 07-15-2008 12:15 PM

[QUOTE=Amit;16489529]i only make fun of white people who talk about [B]the wrong black culture[/B][/QUOTE]

racist

1338 h4x0r 07-15-2008 12:15 PM

sick burn, Amit, sick burn

Amit 07-15-2008 12:15 PM

[QUOTE=Pete;16489531]racist[/QUOTE]

well technically i would be a culturist

but thanks for proving my point about how people still have trouble distinguishing between race and culture

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16489535]sick burn, Amit, sick burn[/QUOTE]

do you think i should post an online dictionary link for those who aren't up to our particular vocabulary level?

Pete 07-15-2008 12:18 PM

[QUOTE=Amit;16489536]well technically i would be a culturist

but thanks for proving my point about how people still have trouble distinguishing between race and culture[/QUOTE]

i think you have to realize that not everything i say is serious nor everything i say is facetious

many of users understand this how come you can't

[QUOTE=Amit;16489536]do you think i should post an online dictionary link for those who aren't up to our particular vocabulary level?[/QUOTE]

actually, gormless is a word ive never come across before

Amit 07-15-2008 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=Pete;16489546]i think you have to realize that not everything i say is serious nor everything i say is facetious

many of users understand this how come you can't[/QUOTE]

actually i think you didn't realize that i was being facetious too!

and we've been good friends for so long pete how could you think otherwise? :[:[

Pete 07-15-2008 12:20 PM

[QUOTE=Amit;16489550]actually i think you didn't realize that i was being facetious too!

and we've been good friends for so long pete how could you think otherwise? :[:[[/QUOTE]

but i was just employing reversed facetiousness what is not to get about that c:

1338 h4x0r 07-15-2008 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=Amit;16489536]do you think i should post an online dictionary link for those who aren't up to our particular vocabulary level?[/QUOTE]

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Pete 07-15-2008 12:23 PM

in fact, Terminator feels no pain

so that burn was pretty pointless

in fact

Amit 07-15-2008 12:28 PM

i like posting with you guys; it's nice having people who actually talk back without having to go lolfagwhocareslol:]

1338 h4x0r 07-15-2008 12:32 PM

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Txus 07-15-2008 12:33 PM

FUturesex/lovesounds is an awesome album, amit. Props.


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