I have to leave to take ACTs right now, but I will come back later and check out your recording.

I don't really know how to describe that "oompf" sound to you, but I will try to record myself, because I can get it out, but it sounds like crap in my ears. I also want to get you guy's opinions on what I sound like, because only one person has ever heard me try to scream, and he was high at the time. So of course he loved it! :p

But I'll try to record so you can can compare yours to mine. I can only scream in short burst, because I can only practice while people are away at work and school in my house. They'd probably think I was dying if I practiced while they were hear. :lol:

I'm half asleep still, sorry if this post sounds a little off or something.

Someone says that I'm a baritone/tenor. What does that mean?

something to do with your range

[QUOTE]I have to leave to take ACTs right now, but I will come back later and check out your recording.

I don't really know how to describe that "oompf" sound to you, but I will try to record myself, because I can get it out, but it sounds like crap in my ears. I also want to get you guy's opinions on what I sound like, because only one person has ever heard me try to scream, and he was high at the time. So of course he loved it!

But I'll try to record so you can can compare yours to mine. I can only scream in short burst, because I can only practice while people are away at work and school in my house. They'd probably think I was dying if I practiced while they were hear.

[B]I'm half asleep still, sorry if this post sounds a little off or something[/B].
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nah, im alwyas half asleep when i type stuff...i hope it doesnt come out weird either haha. but nah i understood.


Merkeba thanks for the help again> I didn't mean I'd completely give up on the screaming, just try to get my singing down first.

I reorced this acousti song on my computer,and like i tryed making vocals to it,and it sounds like im talking sometimes,and when i try going high it goes really weak my voice,and like once in a while theres this part i do i really like,but i can never achieve it again, but i have a little chours of me singing with my band,im 14 years old by the way here it is,what do you tink i should improve,ill put up my acoustic one soon

[url]www.myspace.com/searchpartyrock[/url] i no this is advertisting,but this is the only way to hear my song

[QUOTE=Calimethar]Someone says that I'm a baritone/tenor. What does that mean?[/QUOTE]
It means you've got kinda a high pitched voice.

But baritone and tenor is a designation of your unstrained natural true voice range technically. It is used in technical and classical music and is where you get the term alto and soprano from.

Usually its like this...
Males: Bass, baritone,tenor
Females: alto, mezzo-soprano, soprano

its just too technical a thing nowadays to worry about if you sing rock or anything other than opera. In my opinion. Go here if you want: [url]http://www.aria-database.com/help.html[/url]

Just when you thought we were finished here...

BWAHA

Question 1.

I've been into System of a Down for a while now, and one of the aspects in Serjs voice (besides, the overall awesomeness) is his low pitch deathish screams. He uses them a fair bit throughout all the cd's, but I just want to know what they are technically called.

Whenever I try them, it feels like it's just a shift from head-voice-screams into low low low gut-voice-screams. But, they aren't growls, and I don't think they are "screams". What are they technically?

Question 2.

I saw a Live Video of 'Needles' and noticed the technique both Daron and Serj use to pull them off. Firstly, they make their lips into a kind of fish shape mouth, but Serj also [I]cups[/I] his hands over the microphone.

Now, my attempts at getting the sound have been pretty good so far, but it's missing alot of body that should be there. Everything feels "right", but how important is the microphone and hand position in this case? Anyone have any ideas?

If you need samples, point me in the direction of a place to upload them too, and I'll sort something out.

Just being curious....Again. Thankyou :thumb:

1. Technically its called whatever you want to call it. Its up to us to name these things because classical musical approaches give us the other techanical names we use like head and falsetto, and rightfully so there is no classical name for a note that is pushed harder and partially blocked off because, technique wise, there is no difference. Really, its nothing but a note that is sung harder and partially blocked by the throat.

2. If you havent read my isolation thread in the voicehelp hotline then do so, because:
2b. Joe Blow can get the same sound by moving his lips in the opposite way and holding the mic differently.

If youre missing body, youre not isolating properly or youre just not strong enough to keep the cords in optimal vibrational thickness and shape for the given force youre pushing.

For anyone interested, be sure to check out [url]WWW.THEVOICECONNECTION.COM[/url] for some help with rock/metal singing. It has a lot of lessons, interviews, and my favorite, clips of the owner of the site shattering wine goblets with his voice!

Very nice find! :D

I can't find the videos of the guy shattering wine glasses though. What section is it under?

[url]http://www.thevoiceconnection.com/videosonjv.html[/url]

hey. I'm a bass and I'm trying to get A) More range and B)good at mordents and stuff like that. Could somebody link me to some exercises or give me any advice that would be good for this?
Also, how do I do vibrato? I know how it works, I just can't do it, very frustrating.
thanks

hmm. i also have a question, if you dont mind..

i'm 15 years old, about to turn 16 in a month or so, and ive never really had much vocal training or anything of that sort. i have noticed that whenever i goof around and record myself singing, or i'm just listening to myself, it sounds very monotone and only varies by a tad bit. and i jhave trouble with higher notes, because whenever i sing even simple stuff, such as blink 182 (the guy with the high annoying voice if you didnt know), i cant do it. it sounds very plain. when i actually try and sing my [B]best [/B]after a good hour or two of singing, my voice almost sounds irish.
so my questions are
1. how can i improve my range? i cant afford lessons right now.
2. do you have any suggestions on how to sing with more emotion and variation?
3. last one, why does my voice sound irish/british when i actually try my hardest to sing? is it because i may be putting strain on my voice or something?

thankyou very much if you choose to reply

anybody can tell me a good software vocals help??

[QUOTE=sickstring]hey. I'm a bass and I'm trying to get A) More range and B)good at mordents and stuff like that. Could somebody link me to some exercises or give me any advice that would be good for this?
Also, how do I do vibrato? I know how it works, I just can't do it, very frustrating.
thanks[/QUOTE]
Expanding range is a time consuming process.

You need a relaxed larynx to get nice vibrato. Vibrato comes in different forms and mixes. You can do it with your vocal pressure which results in a volume type of vibrato, and/or you can do it with your cords by going up and down in pitch(while staying in key of course). Vibrato comes more naturally if youre singing properly. By properly I mean without tension in the throat/layrnx.
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

[QUOTE=slimjimrhythm]hmm. i also have a question, if you dont mind..

i'm 15 years old, about to turn 16 in a month or so, and ive never really had much vocal training or anything of that sort. i have noticed that whenever i goof around and record myself singing, or i'm just listening to myself, it sounds very monotone and only varies by a tad bit. and i jhave trouble with higher notes, because whenever i sing even simple stuff, such as blink 182 (the guy with the high annoying voice if you didnt know), i cant do it. it sounds very plain. when i actually try and sing my [B]best [/B]after a good hour or two of singing, my voice almost sounds irish.
so my questions are
1. how can i improve my range? i cant afford lessons right now.
2. do you have any suggestions on how to sing with more emotion and variation?
3. last one, why does my voice sound irish/british when i actually try my hardest to sing? is it because i may be putting strain on my voice or something?

thankyou very much if you choose to reply[/QUOTE]

Your voice probably sounds irish or british if youre tensing up your throat and larynx. Dont squeeze anything.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

Hey [I]Merkaba-1,[/I]

[I]Well, [/I]

uhhh.. sorry... anyways... i'm not any good at singing at all and i would like to know how. Also i would like to know how to scream.... Or sing and scream kind of like the guy from The Used does... and i'm not good at that either... at all. If you could maybe help me out or send me an email or something that might help that would be great. My email is [EMAIL="phye@mchsi.com"]phye@mchsi.com[/EMAIL]..... so thanks!

Have you read the [URL="http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911"]Voicehelp hotline ?[/URL]

Yeah, i've tried... i'm not sure why but i have trouble understanding some of it......

what parts? Most of it is about the principals. If you dont know what head and falsetto and all that is then thats easily addressed.

Hmm... yeah.. i don't know what head and falsetto is... that might be my problem. I've tried reading a lot of yer stuff and i don't really know what those are...

Its all in there somewhere. But to sum up:

chest, head, falsetto.

chest resonates in your chest. You can feel it. Only lower frequencies can do that...in a nutshell...its your lower register. If you start low and slide up continuously in pitch you'll start to feel the point of resonance get higher and lighther and move up to your head. In your upper mid and upper range you'll feel it in your head and near your temples. if you relax and move up higher you should break into falsetto. The airy girly sounding voice. usually your highest notes. It's falsetto because the cords dont vibrate fully to get the sound. they open up a bit and kinda cut the air on ly the edges vibrate. Chest and head are "full voice" or true voice, meaning that the cords stay closed and vibrate in specific wave patterns, which create a richer fuller sound.

Basically its in regards to where you are in your range. But a key is making sure you know the area where you normally want to go into falsetto, as you leave you head voice and continue up in pitch. Especially since the cords are thinner as you go up in pitch.

ok..........i'm clueless....I'm trying to find a singing voice.......I kinda want to be able to sing pop punk or emo type rock...don't tell me to read the hotline thing.....it's complicated, i don't understand it......could someone help me......i don't know anything except for how you are supposed to breathe......i'm 14 almost 15 i have years ahead of me i don't need to learn anytime fast.......don't try to pull any miraculously sounding better stuff........can someone help me? tell me how to practice what to practice what so you mean by practicing that stuff you're telling me to practice etc. and please try to make it simple?

heh... al strzelecki... i kinda like yer post.
And Merkaba-1.. Thanks. I think i found them.. chest being lowest, head being kinda... middle and falsetto highest right?

ok... and for screaming... i've tried to read that too... I'm not that smart, i know, but i didn't really get much from the screaming. If you know the used i want to know how to sing like the main singer.... when i try to scream, one... it hurts, and two... it's not loud. If you got any tips that would be great!
THANKS!

Hey guys i got brought here by a google search "how to scream". I've read the voice help hotline a bunch of times trying to figure it out, but i cant. The guy (silver i think his name is) says to imagine you are pushing a scream out your temple, He says it doesnt even have to be loud.

My Problems are:

A: When i scream it is so fiendishly high pitched that my dog starts to bark.

B: I cant make a scream quiet....when im screaming its damn loud. I can kind of do a whisper falsetto thing that sounds sort of like screaming but not realy.

[QUOTE=Al Strzelecki]ok..........i'm clueless....I'm trying to find a singing voice.......I kinda want to be able to sing pop punk or emo type rock...don't tell me to read the hotline thing.....it's complicated, i don't understand it......could someone help me......i don't know anything except for how you are supposed to breathe......i'm 14 almost 15 i have years ahead of me i don't need to learn anytime fast.......don't try to pull any miraculously sounding better stuff........can someone help me? tell me how to practice what to practice what so you mean by practicing that stuff you're telling me to practice etc. and please try to make it simple?[/QUOTE]
So youre saying youre lazy, and you want a magic pill that will hurdle you into some quick epiphany of singing. If you can't sing or get it "naturally" then its gonna be complicated. Thats like saying I dont want to play guitar because its complicated. And what part do you not understand? Perhaps asking specifc questions would make it easier instead of discrediting a highly touted thread. Yea I created it but many people spent time reading and adding posts and other questions to it to make it flourish and to provide wisdom. There are tons of simple things in the hotline, and I guarantee you any advice you get, 95 percent of it will be a repeat from the hotline, if I or anyone else give it to you. So while youre waiting, for however long for someone to reply to your rather ambiguous request, and trust me, we get tons of them, you could have read the whole thread and be done. Its not really that long. Just pretend its a homework assignment. I know people have read more than thirty pages and taken notes before in school, and I really would rather invest more time into stuff like this than doing the same for the Joy Luck Club or the Socio Economic structure of New Guinea. Because the cords dont do anything but open and close and pull thinner or thicker. But you can really deter all of that by bad habit and incorrect larynx movements. If you know how to breathe you've got it half licked. "tell me how to practice what to practice what so you mean by practicing that stuff you're telling me to practice etc." WTF ???
Practice vowels, sing songs acapella and record yourself doing it.

[QUOTE=Ryan983]heh... al strzelecki... i kinda like yer post.
And Merkaba-1.. Thanks. I think i found them.. chest being lowest, head being kinda... middle and falsetto highest right?

ok... and for screaming... i've tried to read that too... I'm not that smart, i know, but i didn't really get much from the screaming. If you know the used i want to know how to sing like the main singer.... when i try to scream, one... it hurts, and two... it's not loud. If you got any tips that would be great!
THANKS![/QUOTE]
Screaming is being able to hold a note while increasing the air pushed, and increasing the closing force so the note holds, but not squeezing other muscles that you might think are synonymous with squeezing the cords. This can be tricky, so a slow build up of increasing push will help you isolate this. If you get pain youre using too much push and/or (probably and) youre tensing up and squeezing your throat in an attempt to get the sound and effect. You should practice singing with less push.

And have you ever seen any advice on how to sing like someone else? What could be said? He sings like everyone else sings, except his cords are his specific shape, size, elasticity, and his voice box/larynx is his specific size, shape, and position. Forget it. He might be tenor and you a low baritone. You'd never be able to match that. Never. Even if you worked enough to be able to close up true voice to whatever he does, it wont sound the same. Work from your speaking voice and speaking push. sing phrases here, then repeat one note higher. This will help you stay in touch with your true voice as you raise in pitch. Noone can hear you when you reach your upper ranges to able to tell whether or not youre squeezing or straining when you reach your head voice. So work slow. Every note should be comfortable or youre doing something wrong.

[QUOTE=Bubbles]Hey guys i got brought here by a google search "how to scream". I've read the voice help hotline a bunch of times trying to figure it out, but i cant. The guy (silver i think his name is) says to imagine you are pushing a scream out your temple, He says it doesnt even have to be loud.

My Problems are:

A: When i scream it is so fiendishly high pitched that my dog starts to bark.

B: I cant make a scream quiet....when im screaming its damn loud. I can kind of do a whisper falsetto thing that sounds sort of like screaming but not realy.[/QUOTE]
The temple thing is only for singing in head voice. thats why they call it head. Because you can feel the resonance and vibrations of the sound in your head, and your temples. In falsetto you dont get this.

If your scream is high pitched, its a matter of lowering your pitch and pushing. Simple, unless youre making the mistake of linking push and emotion with pitch. As I always say, sing the scream. Dont try to scream it. Go for the note like you would if you were gonna sing it, or just sing it to practice it.

I think its more important to realize that you can get a good rasp at a lower volume. I think thats what was being said. I think a quiet scream is an oxymoron.

Well i was working on what you said and i cant figure out how i can "sing the scream" whenever its not loud it just sounds like a really airy note. What should the lower volume scream feal like? Im going for an alexisonfire/silverstein type scream if that helps at all. Finaly i find that i have the perfect pitch when im just blowing air by my falsetto, but once i actualy start to use it the tone jumps really high.

Well for a lower volume note its harder to actually sing the scream. You should just be able to get rasp at a low volume. I dont know what alexis or silverstein sound like but it cant be but different. The only thing that really changes is the pitch. Then its just a matter of how much note you want behind the rasp. If you can't keep your note from jumping...then increase the air slowly while holding the note. And just to be sure...do you think you could hold this note for about ten seconds at least? if not then you might be pushing too much air. If youre over pushing you could be breaking into whistle register, lucky you, or you could just be pulling the pitch higher in a tensing up of the throat. Post a sample if you can.

Hey Merk,

I want to start a practice schedule, but I have no idea how to divide my time up- most websites seem to reccomend as a beginner 15-20 minutes but I'd like to try put something like 30 minutes and increase from there. Could you write up a sample practice schedule?

sing songs acapella? wtf? what is practicing vowels?

i'm not trashing the thread its probly a great thread, i just dont really have the energy right now to do anything. i have some issues, music's my only escape from the hatefullness of life. i just want to get good at what i love to do. and ya i guess u could say im lazy for that, i'm just asking what to do, or where specifically to look in those threads from the hotline.