[QUOTE=down025]I consider a poser to wear make up and girl pants. Looking like a female is not metal. Now I bet some smart *** will say "BUT DOWN025 IN THE 80S BANDS DID THE SAME THING NUHAHUHU" well atleast those bands kicked ***.[/QUOTE]

Dude...you're a fu[COLOR=White]c[/COLOR]kwit. :thumb:

ok so what about the guys that wear makeup and girl pants that know more about good music than you. what does that make you

[QUOTE=down025]I consider a poser to wear make up and girl pants. Looking like a female is not metal. Now I bet some smart *** will say "BUT DOWN025 IN THE 80S BANDS DID THE SAME THING NUHAHUHU" well atleast those bands kicked ***.[/QUOTE]

most kids in girl pants dont like metal, as a matter of fact every kid i know in girl pants is into hxc not metal and if they are wearing make-up they are probly at an Atreyu show so i wouldnt take them seriously. also Rob halford and Phil from pantera two metal guys that take it like females so you may want to reconsider your line of thinking.

i believe that no matter how you define a poser, you'll just know one when you see one.

I would define a poser to be a person that is trying to be someone he's not.

Like pop kid that loves pop still listening to metal more because it's cool. That would be poser as for the fans.

For artists, it would have to be like if you are tryin to play metal music, but can't play it at all, and yet you claim you are a good metal band. Although this happens more with the punk than metal.

I'd also define marylin manson as a poseur.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]I'd also define marylin manson as a poseur.[/QUOTE]

How so? Hes got his own schtick that he uses for his music...its not supposed to be taken seriously. People blew it WAY too out of proportion, and that is why so many people hate him nowadays.

To me a person cannot be labeled a poser unless you talk to them. If I saw a kid walking down the street wearing a Cradle of Filth shirt is he a poser, no. He could like alot of bands that you would appreciate but if i asked him why he likes them and he says "because they are the best black metal band ever" and only knows them for the Nymphetamine video then my friends he is indeed a poser. Also a poser is a person who goes from trend to trend. They will be "gangsta" one day and the next be a "metalhead" because MTV isnt playing rap as much and playing this blasphemous music they call "metal."

MTV doe NOT play metal.Even 90% of the stuff they play on Headbanger's Ball which is supposed to be the Metal show,is not metal. MTV avoids metal like the plague.

Marylin Manson...last thing he is is a poser if you consider that from day one he was his own person.He never tried to appeal to anyone.Though granted he did his best to piss everyone off but that was part of his character.

well f[U]u[/U]ck mtv

I used to be a total poser, back when I was well 11ish I was all like LINKIN PARK HELL YEAH IM HARDCORE. A friend told me about metallica, and I was like oh yeah their the ****. (I had seen the I disapear video once).

Well now I dont think there are many other people as obsessed with metallica as I am and have been for a long time. I pretended to be into metallica to be cool with this kid who I thought was awsome.


But anyways, yeah I hate hot topic, though I did get my puppets shirt there, no rebel phrases like "keep staring I might do a trick".

I hate thoes shirts so **** much, anyone who expresses themselves through phrases on clothing or bumper stickers is just annoying as sh!t.

[QUOTE=Trivium]But anyways, yeah I hate hot topic, though I did get my puppets shirt there, no rebel phrases like "keep staring I might do a trick".

I hate thoes shirts so **** much, anyone who expresses themselves through phrases on clothing or bumper stickers is just annoying as sh!t.[/QUOTE]

Just so you know, I happen to own a couple such shirts for laughs. My favorite has a Mark Twain quote on it.

I'm not "expressing myself" as you seem to define it. I just like that quote.

[QUOTE=Da_Machine]MTV doe NOT play metal.Even 90% of the stuff they play on Headbanger's Ball which is supposed to be the Metal show,is not metal. MTV avoids metal like the plague. [/QUOTE]

I actually turned that on a few weeks ago and every two bands there was a punk band in black outfits. Very stupid.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Just so you know, I happen to own a couple such shirts for laughs. My favorite has a Mark Twain quote on it.

I'm not "expressing myself" as you seem to define it. I just like that quote.[/QUOTE]

if its a quote by mark twain or something thats cool

but ive seen like

"keep staring I might do a trick"
"take a picture it lasts longer"

which I associate with really werid looking people, because youd have to really be staring at them to have the shirt make sense.

Pink mohawks for example.

[QUOTE=Cain]I actually turned that on a few weeks ago and every two bands there was a punk band in black outfits. Very stupid.[/QUOTE]

That makes my blood boil.

Punk. What a weird word. So many people hate it. And so do I.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]That makes my blood boil.[/QUOTE]

Mine too. I checked to make sure I was watching Headbanger's Ball about five times in a row, because literally every video that came on was a bad punk band. I'm like, "JESUS, MTV blows."

The thing is, I actually like some punk. Dead Kennedys, The Clash, The Ramones, Bad Religion, The Misfits, The Freaks Union... It's sad how bastardized the genre has become.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]How so? Hes got his own schtick that he uses for his music...its not supposed to be taken seriously. People blew it WAY too out of proportion, and that is why so many people hate him nowadays.[/QUOTE]

I dont hate him, i just think dressing like a woman and stuff is unnecassary and is for attention-seeking.

[QUOTE]I like all the bands listed above. I love that Arch Enemy cd. Still sometimes when there's someone listening to Good Charlotte and thinking they're punk makes me want to punch their throat[/QUOTE]
My point wasn't so much that listening to those bands make you a poser, but more that if you think you're some kinda hardcore satan worshipping metalhead for going to a Static X concert, you're a poser.

[QUOTE]
I have a question, you aren't defined as a poser if you where band T-shirts are you? I don't where them every day or anything I just got a slayer tour shirt at a concert but from what I heard like 14 year old kids just like live at hot topic buying band shirts and fish net stalkings but just because you where a band shirt once and a while doesn't define you as a poser does it?[/QUOTE]
Don't worry about it. Even getting shirts from Hot Topic isn't posing, as much as I despise the store. Posing would be more like if you have a band T shirt of a band that you don't like or haven't heard. Sometimes we almost turn ourselves into posers just worrying about wether we are posers or not.

[QUOTE]I consider a poser to wear make up and girl pants. Looking like a female is not metal. Now I bet some smart *** will say "BUT DOWN025 IN THE 80S BANDS DID THE SAME THING NUHAHUHU" well atleast those bands kicked ***.[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot. As are other people in this thread, the user above me as an example. Marilyn Manson didn't set out to get attention, that's what happened. Why? He got popular. That's what happens. The more Dimmu or Cradle Of Filth get popular, the more shootings and satanic rituals are going to be blamed on them as well. I also fail to see how Marilyn Manson wears "girl clothes", or how you can still pretend to be intelligent while giving fabric a gender specification. And this, my friend is coming from somebody who can't stand Marilyn Manson.

[QUOTE]To me a person cannot be labeled a poser unless you talk to them. If I saw a kid walking down the street wearing a Cradle of Filth shirt is he a poser, no. He could like alot of bands that you would appreciate but if i asked him why he likes them and he says "because they are the best black metal band ever" and only knows them for the Nymphetamine video then my friends he is indeed a poser. Also a poser is a person who goes from trend to trend. They will be "gangsta" one day and the next be a "metalhead" because MTV isnt playing rap as much and playing this blasphemous music they call "metal."[/QUOTE]
Well said.

[QUOTE=James Van Halen]My point wasn't so much that listening to those bands make you a poser, but more that if you think you're some kinda hardcore satan worshipping metalhead for going to a Static X concert, you're a poser.[/QUOTE]
Does this apply if say I do enjoy going to a Static-X concert but also enjoy going to say I dunno a Necrophagist concert?Just making sure if liking both is still okay and not worthy of poser flamification.

ok I dont see why everybody is dissing on slipknot, they are probably my favorite band next to SoaD. Now I understand about people wearing slipknot shirts so look "goth", thats just plain retarded. but I have a couple of slipknot shirts that I wear once in a whil e but that shouldnt make me a poser just because I wear there shirts, Hell I have a Pink floyd shirt too that I wear and yes I listen to them. so basically what I'm saying( to all those people who didnt want to read the begginging of my post) is that yes you are a poser if you wear a shirt of a band and you dont even like them but if they are your fav. band it is alright. o yah i almost forgot, Yes punk does suck harcore

Necrophagist has a fukin amazing bass player.

And,yes, a person can like many genres of music and not be a poser.

[QUOTE=slit_21]o yah i almost forgot, Yes punk does suck harcore[/QUOTE]

Roast in hell.

punk sucks

No. I have no problems with liking such bands, as long as you don't do it to earn the rank of "metalhead". Or simply think you ARE a metalhead for liking them.

I'm getting so sick of this ridiculous punk bashing. How many of the people saying this sh[size=2]i[/size]t have ever heard a single Dead Kennedys, Minutemen, or Bad Religion song?

[QUOTE]I'm getting so sick of this ridiculous punk bashing. How many of the people saying this **** have ever heard a single Dead Kennedys, Minutemen, or Bad Religion song?[/QUOTE]
I'll tell you where the rediculous punk bashing comes from: idiots who think punk is Blink 182 and Good Charolette.
btw, i'de like to apologize for a disagreement we had a long time ago where you got on my case for using the term "gay" in an inapropriate manner. I still use the word occasionally, but at the time I was an impressionable, hypocritical, ignorant christian and I have since changed my stance on gay rights.

[QUOTE=James Van Halen]btw, i'de like to apologize for a disagreement we had a long time ago where you got on my case for using the term "gay" in an inapropriate manner. I still use the word occasionally, but at the time I was an impressionable, hypocritical, ignorant christian and I have since changed my stance on gay rights.[/QUOTE]

... Oh yeah, it's all coming back to me. Truth be told, I let that one go a long time ago.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]How so? Hes got his own schtick that he uses for his music...its not supposed to be taken seriously. People blew it WAY too out of proportion, and that is why so many people hate him nowadays.[/QUOTE]

man, i need to get back to listening to some manson again (he was a big musical influence for me for a while there), ive gotten swept up in a massive discovery of so many other awesome bands, *pulls manson cds out* :thumb:


i have to argue with some of these posts, especially the slipknot hate that has been apparent... im a big fan of slipknot, i went to Big Day Out MAINLY to see them, and yes i have a slipknot shirt (on the day i wore my then-recently aquired LedZep shirt, its hard to find good shirts that fit well, im 6'2" with a big build)... i also play some slipknot (guitar)... own a few albums... you get the picture...

i have seemingly 'jumped' from band to band in the last ... few years (4 maybe)... but ive seen that as more musical evolution, i become drawn to a band, then i recognise the part of it i particularly like, and branch out from that more, i still listen to all the bands that have gotten me to where i am today (early Silverchair, MManson, Slipknot, Mudvayne, Dry Kill Logic, (even a few limp bizkit songs...), Metallica, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Led Zeppelin, ACDC, Meshugah, Disgorge, Parkway Drive, From First to Last, ... the list goes on and on)
the point im trying to make is, i like above mentioned bands musically, but have been labelled by many people as a 'semi-goth' or a 'death head', actually at one point i was known as "deathmetal" at school... (admitedly i wear a lot of black, but thats preference, no goth-ness here)...

i dont consider myself a poser, so try not to consider these things in your definitions of poser please, (but maybe as a stereotypical representation of one, as i kinda know what you mean, its easy to tell if someone is really enjoying what they do/listen to when you meet them)

EDIT: apologies for this making me sound like a little whining bitch

[QUOTE=Steerpike]I'm getting so sick of this ridiculous punk bashing. How many of the people saying this sh[size=2]i[/size]t have ever heard a single Dead Kennedys, Minutemen, or Bad Religion song?[/QUOTE]

DKs are a classic, yeah i dont really like the labelling of any **** band they cant find a genre for as punk, (same kinda goes for nu-metal by the seems of things), honestly i have incorrectly used the punk label many times, its hard to describe some bands to kids these days without it, its become a different thing to what it used to be...
may i recommend a good aussy band, Frenzal Rhomb...?

[QUOTE]... Oh yeah, it's all coming back to me. Truth be told, I let that one go a long time ago.[/QUOTE]
Well, I didn't figure it was a source of hidden hatred or anything, but...