[QUOTE=Carn]you'll have a hard time looking unless roadrunner licenses and re-issues it.[/QUOTE]

What irony.

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]Melodic Deathcore? I'm sorry even if 'Deathcore' existed Trivium would not be part of that genre for the same reason they are not Metalcore, the reason being they have no Hardcore influence at all.[/QUOTE]

Trivium doesn't neatly fit into a genre

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]Melodic Deathcore? I'm sorry even if 'Deathcore' existed Trivium would not be part of that genre for the same reason they are not Metalcore, the reason being they have no Hardcore influence at all.[/QUOTE]
Trivium does have a hardcore influence, I'm very confused as to why you said they have none at all.

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]Trivium doesn't neatly fit into a genre[/QUOTE]

And you don't neatly fit into spandex.

Glad to see my thread still running. I've been thinking. And comparing. And I've come to a conclusion.

Ember to Inferno sucks compared to Ascendancy.

Yeah, that's right, I said it. The songs seem to be lacking substance on ETI, but on Ascendancy, the songwriting seems MUCH more maturer.

Boo-ya.

[QUOTE=ICB]Ember to Inferno sucks compared to Ascendancy.
[/QUOTE]

100% right

can someone upload some songs from ETI please?


what about my hatred and if I could collapse the masses, those songs are great.

[QUOTE=ICB]And you don't neatly fit into spandex.

Glad to see my thread still running. I've been thinking. And comparing. And I've come to a conclusion.

Ember to Inferno sucks compared to Ascendancy.

Yeah, that's right, I said it. The songs seem to be lacking substance on ETI, but on Ascendancy, the songwriting seems MUCH more maturer.

Boo-ya.[/QUOTE]

How did you know about my spandex fetish???

ETI is far more raw than Ascendancy, the songs are a little more formulaic in my opinion, and far less intense. It is still a great album, but not a classic like Ascendancy

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]Trivium does have a hardcore influence, I'm very confused as to why you said they have none at all.[/QUOTE]

Where is the hardcore influence? Cite a specific example for us. The vox are somewhat metalcore but that is about it, nothing in the playing suggests hardcore in any way.

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]Trivium does have a hardcore influence, I'm very confused as to why you said they have none at all.[/QUOTE]

Where? They are a Metal band, Hardcore comes from Punk and has no links with Metal. What Hardcore bands have you heard that sound even remotely like Trivium?

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]Where? They are a Metal band, Hardcore comes from Punk and has no links with Metal. What Hardcore bands have you heard that sound even remotely like Trivium?[/QUOTE]

Lots of them. Most metalcore bands have a lot of thrash and melodeath influence on top of their hardcore backgrounds, in case you hadn't noticed. The typical structures of melodeath/thrashy riff with screaming verses followed by singalong choruses is a staple in metalcore. Just listen to Like Light to the Flies for example.

Another point, even pure Hardcore is connected to a metal, even if a roundabout way. A lot of thrash took influences from old punk, and a lot of other metal bands take influence from thrash, so really its just a distant divergence in the musical branch. But thats really just extraneous information.

The real key to the issue is the name Trivium itself. I don't know what it says any more, but if you were a fan even just a few months before Ascendancy came out, you would have seen that on the main page of their website that the name Trivium is derived from the latin word meaning "a 3-way intersection", and they went on to say, in their case its an intersection of metalcore, thrash, and melodic death. While there is far less hardcore/generic metalcore influence that bleeds into their sound than a lot of the current bands, it is still their nonetheless.

For some who has such a stupid user-title :p, its suprising you came up with such an eloquant post. Nice one.

[QUOTE=Itwasthatwas]Another point, even pure Hardcore is connected to a metal, even if a roundabout way.[/QUOTE]

No, trust me, it isn't. Hardcore is a sub-genre of punk, which makes it completly seperate from the Metal genre. As soon as a Hardcore band begins to incorperate Metal into their sound they cease to be Hardcore and become Metalcore. You also failed to name me one Hardcore band that sounds even remotley like Trivium.

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]No, trust me, it isn't. Hardcore is a sub-genre of punk, which makes it completly seperate from the Metal genre. As soon as a Hardcore band begins to incorperate Metal into their sound they cease to be Hardcore and become Metalcore. You also failed to name me one Hardcore band that sounds even remotley like Trivium.[/QUOTE]
Having an influence of hardcore doesn't have to mean they have to sound exactly like hardcore. Trivium takes alot of influence from around the world of music, the three big ones: Thrash, Melodic Death Metal, and Metalcore. You can hear in some parts where they can sound like some metalcore/hardcore bands. You cannot pinpoint a band to sound like Trivium, because they take a great deal of influence from alot of genres.


And yes, I may be contradicting myself on this one, But genres are not written in stone, and you can't look them up in a dictionary. Genres are more based on personal opinion these days. Have your own opinion, and I'll have mine. People will [B]NEVER[/B] agree on genres.

[QUOTE=ICB]As Trivium's population grows, [/QUOTE]
:lol:

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]Melodic Deathcore? I'm sorry even if 'Deathcore' existed Trivium would not be part of that genre for the same reason they are not Metalcore, the reason being they have no Hardcore influence at all.[/QUOTE]
Deathcore IS a genre, (despised icon, glass casket as good examples), but trivium is far from that.

Anyhoo, trivium owns, Matt Heafy himself says he takes alot of influences in his solos from John Pettucky himself.

[QUOTE=Kwash2]:lol:[/QUOTE]

Oh, holy hell.

That's the result of typing fast, my friends.

I'm not even gonna edit that, I'll just revel in my jackassery.

[QUOTE=Kwash2]Deathcore IS a genre, (despised icon, glass casket as good examples), but trivium is far from that.

Anyhoo, trivium owns, Matt Heafy himself says he takes alot of influences in his solos from John Pettucky himself.[/QUOTE]
Not deathcore, Melodic deathcore. Instead of the death influence they have the melodic death metal influence. You see?

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]Having an influence of hardcore doesn't have to mean they have to sound exactly like hardcore. Trivium takes alot of influence from around the world of music, the three big ones: Thrash, Melodic Death Metal, and Metalcore. You can hear in some parts where they can sound like some metalcore/hardcore bands. You cannot pinpoint a band to sound like Trivium, because they take a great deal of influence from alot of genres.


And yes, I may be contradicting myself on this one, But genres are not written in stone, and you can't look them up in a dictionary. Genres are more based on personal opinion these days. Have your own opinion, and I'll have mine. People will [B]NEVER[/B] agree on genres.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Trivium really has a unique sound. I really can't think of another band that sounds like them, in all seriousness, can anyone name a band that sounds like Trivium? They don't sound like other thrash acts, they don't sound like other metalcore acts, they don't sound like other melodic death acts

[QUOTE=Kwash2]Deathcore IS a genre, (despised icon, glass casket as good examples), but trivium is far from that.

Anyhoo, trivium owns, Matt Heafy himself says he takes alot of influences in his solos from John Pettucky himself.[/QUOTE]

Deathcore isn't really a genre. Most of the bands you mentioned could be categorized as brutal or technical metalcore. Tech metal, math metal, whatever you want to call it can sound as heavy as death metal.

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]No, trust me, it isn't. Hardcore is a sub-genre of punk, which makes it completly seperate from the Metal genre. As soon as a Hardcore band begins to incorperate Metal into their sound they cease to be Hardcore and become Metalcore. You also failed to name me one Hardcore band that sounds even remotley like Trivium.[/QUOTE]

No, I'm afraid I can't trust you, because that's just a retarded statement. Metal and punk are related, probably most closely by punks ties to thrash. The genres cross at 2 points that are significant to this debate: First at the origin of thrash , where bands took a lot of influence from earlier metal of course, but also quite a bit from punk. Essentially they took early metal and and speed and rawness, and after some more developments you have thrash. Trivium is largely thrash, and therefore has distant roots in punk. The second convergence is modern metalcore bands taking Melodeath & Thrash and adding hardcore attitude and song structures, again directly relating to the punk/hardcore scene. Trivum admits to taking heavy influences from metalcore, and therefore there is another direct connection.

Of course I can't cite a hardcore band that sounds like Trivium. I never said they were hardcore. But they undeniably have influences rooted in the hardcore/metalcore scene. Anyone who actually comes out and says that Trivium is a straight-up hardcore band is either deaf or mentally retarded, but to say that their music stems from some hardcore as an influence is a perfectly valid statement.

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]Deathcore isn't really a genre. Most of the bands you mentioned could be categorized as brutal or technical metalcore. Tech metal, math metal, whatever you want to call it can sound as heavy as death metal.[/QUOTE]

Heavier in my opinion. Death metal loses a lot of heavieness through its excessive cheese, and the way some bands seem to attempt to be overly brutal. Obviously there are some awesome bands that pull it off, but for the most part a lot of death bands just serve as lullabies for me.

[QUOTE=Itwasthatwas]Heavier in my opinion. Death metal loses a lot of heavieness through its excessive cheese, and the way some bands seem to attempt to be overly brutal. Obviously there are some awesome bands that pull it off, but for the most part a lot of death bands just serve as lullabies for me.[/QUOTE]

Yeah death isn't my cup of tea, too much happening at once, just sounds like a jumble of noise sometimes

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]Yeah death isn't my cup of tea, too much happening at once, just sounds like a jumble of noise sometimes[/QUOTE]

I've found the only Death Metal band i can listen to is Nile...they have good structure to their music, and make it ungodly heavy without sacrificing the interest of the music.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]I've found the only Death Metal band i can listen to is Nile...they have good structure to their music, and make it ungodly heavy without sacrificing the interest of the music.[/QUOTE]

I like some old Morbid Angel. I only like Nile's Egyptian stuff, the rest of it is just too hectic, and I can't stand the vocals.

[QUOTE=Itwasthatwas]Of course I can't cite a hardcore band that sounds like Trivium. I never said they were hardcore. But they undeniably have influences rooted in the hardcore/metalcore scene. Anyone who actually comes out and says that Trivium is a straight-up hardcore band is either deaf or mentally retarded, but to say that their music stems from some hardcore as an influence is a perfectly valid statement.[/QUOTE]

Where in f[FONT=Arial]uc[/FONT]ks name do you hear any influence from Hardcore in Trivium's music? I'm sorry but there just isn't any. If you are influenced by a band or genre you would obviously incorparate charecteristics of that genre or band's sound into your own. Trivium do not have any Hardcore in thier sound, therefore they have no Hardcore influence.

[QUOTE=Itwasthatwas]Heavier in my opinion. Death metal loses a lot of heavieness through its excessive cheese, and the way some bands seem to attempt to be overly brutal. Obviously there are some awesome bands that pull it off, but for the most part a lot of death bands just serve as lullabies for me.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to interupt, but could you name me a 'cheesy' death metal band?

[QUOTE=StandingStill]Sorry to interupt, but could you name me a 'cheesy' death metal band?[/QUOTE]

I find power metal to be cheesy, death metal can be over the top, sometimes the vox are "cheesy" only in that they sound so bad you can't believe they're not being used for comedic purposes.

thats not really cheesy though is it. Power metal is cheesy, death isnt.

The lyrics to alot of gore death or gore grind bands could be considered cheesy.

Well other genres aside.... let's just call Trivium metal. I heard someone say earlier in the thread that in an interview with Corey. he said Trivium's newer material would have less clean singing in the choruses and be more progressive metal. That should make for interesting although I do enjoy Trivium's choruses very much. As long as they don't make any more songs like "Dying in Your Arms" they should be fine