[QUOTE=Bartender]He has his moments, but yeah, on the whole it's the music I like more than the lyrics, I think.


Any help (from anyone) appreciated with this tracklist, anyway.[/QUOTE]

I dont own the album but this is the tracklist off amazon.

1. Intro
2. Age of Sacred Terror
3. Scars of the Crucifix
4. Death Falls Silent (Interlude)
5. Saviorself
6. On the Eye of War [Julio Cesar Chavez Mix] [Mix] - GZA/Genius
7. Darkest Throne (Interlude)
8. Worst
9. Verses of the Bleeding
10. Beyond the Gates of Pain
11. Farewell to the Flesh (Interlude)
12. And So It Burns
13. Spirit of Hate (Interlude)
14. Me Ne Shalto
15. On the Eve of War [Meldrick Taylor Mix] [Mix] - GZA/Genius
16. Winds Devouring Men (Interlude)
17. Philosophy of Horror
18. Of the Spirit and the Sun (Interlude)
19. Before the Great Collapse

[QUOTE=RazorsInTheNight]I fully agree, I espcially like Violent By Design, some great tunes on that album. I find the lyrics somewhat interesting although they seem to overuse the same sort of material.[/QUOTE]

On [i]Legacy of Blood[/i] at least, he seems a little preoccupied with Islam. He's generally good, though, so I don't mind. I quite like the lyrics (except the frequent references to killing faggots).

[QUOTE=Razors]
I dont own the album but this is the tracklist off amazon.

1. Intro
2. Age of Sacred Terror
3. Scars of the Crucifix
4. Death Falls Silent (Interlude)
5. Saviorself
6. On the Eye of War [Julio Cesar Chavez Mix] [Mix] - GZA/Genius
7. Darkest Throne (Interlude)
8. Worst
9. Verses of the Bleeding
10. Beyond the Gates of Pain
11. Farewell to the Flesh (Interlude)
12. And So It Burns
13. Spirit of Hate (Interlude)
14. Me Ne Shalto
15. On the Eve of War [Meldrick Taylor Mix] [Mix] - GZA/Genius
16. Winds Devouring Men (Interlude)
17. Philosophy of Horror
18. Of the Spirit and the Sun (Interlude)
19. Before the Great Collapse[/QUOTE]

That's the problem, though. That's the tracklist on Amazon, and on the back of the case, but there only appear to be sixteen tracks on the CD.

First person to make a Deicide joke about track #3 on that wins a....

....actually, don't.

Yeah yeah, that was my first thought too. It's good though, so I didn't bother.

This is my favorite group. Tha Alkaholiks.

Note: One song is with Xzibit, but, this was Xzibit 10 years ago. He didn't suck back then. Actually, he [b]was[/b] one of the best rappers of his time.

Tha Alkaholiks
-[URL=http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=27A2VM3AAGD9T04L0MIJ3M16MS]All The Way Live (ft. Q-Tip of A Tribe Called Quest and King Tee)[/URL]
-[URL=http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=26L578Y5EHTZY3HVUW55D9ONDU]Read My Lips[/URL]
-[URL=http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2LHTTKHQHI6QD2THFUGYHQ7YAC]Hit And Run (ft. Xzibit)[/URL]

God, I love this group.

[QUOTE=Iai]I know. I assumed from your intelligence in your other posts that it was just a slip of the tongue.[/QUOTE]

Haha thanks.

[QUOTE=Bartender]and on the back of the case, but there only appear to be sixteen tracks on the CD.[/QUOTE]


Keep listening after the last track, maybe they're hidden tracks?

Oh and by the way. Why wasn't Delinquent Habits mentioned before in this topic? Those guys are awesome. Great west coast party rap.

[QUOTE=Kosta]
Keep listening after the last track, maybe they're hidden tracks?
[/QUOTE]

I don't think so :-/ There is a hidden track tacked onto the end of Before the Great Collapse, but that's all. The missing tracks seem to be Verses of the Bleeding and the two featuring GZA.

[QUOTE=Bartender]I don't think so :-/ There is a hidden track tacked onto the end of Before the Great Collapse, but that's all. The missing tracks seem to be Verses of the Bleeding and the two featuring GZA.[/QUOTE]


Christ, the irony. Both songs that feature the best rapper on that whole album are missing.

Don't rub it in :(

I'm just hoping to find out whether it's a big mistake and the tracks don't actually exist (listed by accident), or what.

[QUOTE=Bartender]Don't rub it in :(

I'm just hoping to find out whether it's a big mistake and the tracks don't actually exist (listed by accident), or what.[/QUOTE]

According to AllMusic, they should be on there.

[QUOTE=amostbitterseason]I cannot even stand the sight of that guy.[/QUOTE]
i agree

[QUOTE=Kage]123.[/QUOTE]
It helps broaden peoples perspectives.


I think we should do a classical/romantic FG once.

i though this was a rock and metal forum, rap should be in another forum.

[QUOTE=podbassist]i though this was a rock and metal forum, rap should be in another forum.[/QUOTE]

Did you not even read the thread or something?

[QUOTE=Brewer14]Did you not even read the thread or something?[/QUOTE]

I'm assuming he just read the title of the thread and nothing else.

[QUOTE=podbassist]i though this was a rock and metal forum, rap should be in another forum.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but you kike POD.

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]I think we should do a classical/romantic FG once.[/QUOTE]
I'd be well up for contributing to that.

[QUOTE=ArrestThisMan]I'm assuming he just read the title of the thread and nothing else.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Im guessing thats the case too.

and rap > POD :thumb:

NP - Natural born Killa - NWA.

I haven't seen Eric B & Rakim mentioned yet, though surely they must have been.

Paid In Full = utter classic. Rakim easily has one of the best flows I've ever heard - maybe the best.

[QUOTE=podbassist]i though this was a rock and metal forum, rap should be in another forum.[/QUOTE]

You should be in another forum!

[QUOTE=Iai]I haven't seen Eric B & Rakim mentioned yet, though surely they must have been.

Paid In Full = utter classic. Rakim easily has one of the best flows I've ever heard - maybe the best.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I completely forget about Rakim. He is a genius.

[QUOTE=ArrestThisMan]Yea, I completely forget about Rakim. He is a genius.[/QUOTE]

He's not the only one you forgot about...

Nah, I'm just yankin' your chain.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]He's not the only one you forgot about...

Nah, I'm just yankin' your chain.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

I know, I know.

Go easy on me.

to the person that wanted to have instruments in the songs ( too lazy too put it in quotes, sorry) listen to "Bring tha noize" by Public Enemy and Anthrax, Anthrax plays and Public Enemy raps over their playing ( at least in the beginning.

[QUOTE=Iai]I haven't seen Eric B & Rakim mentioned yet, though surely they must have been.

Paid In Full = utter classic. Rakim easily has one of the best flows I've ever heard - maybe the best.[/QUOTE]

I don't know. It's more like.. I respect Rakim for basically taking flows, rhyme schemes, and overal stucture to a newer and higher lever, but, the dude hasn't progressed since Don't Sweat The Technique, which is my favorite album of theirs. Sure, most people dislike it because it didn't have as much hystoical value as their older stuff. But, Rakim's rapping progressed and improved a lot untill he parted ways with Eric B.

Now, I think of him as a generic rapper that basically recycles every rhyme he ever wrote since the beginning of his solo career, with exactly the same flow and the same rhyme scheme.

Basically, I respect Rakim a lot for what he's done for rap music - 'cause he was basically the first to be creative with rhyme schemes and structure - but since he started, better rappers have come to take it to an even higher level. Like, Tash, Gift Of Gab, Percee P, Chali 2na, Pharoahe Monch, Aceyalone and Tonedeff.

[QUOTE=Jetpelkey54]to the person that wanted to have instruments in the songs ( too lazy too put it in quotes, sorry) listen to "Bring tha noize" by Public Enemy and Anthrax, Anthrax plays and Public Enemy raps over their playing ( at least in the beginning.[/QUOTE]


I don't even understand why people care for actual instrumentation in music. Why should a whole genre change to fit their listening habits for them to like it, instead of them just being more openminded towards the music.

I don't think most rock or metal fanatics understand what hip-hop production methods mean to music. How those methods basically changed the face of music. Altering previously written music, manipulate it, and turn it into a whole new song. I think that's extremely creative, if you think about how hip-hop started in 1972.

Yeah yeah, I know, 3 posts in a row. But.

There should be more appreciation for the hip-hop producers in this topic. Everyone mentioned the rappers, but if think about it, the beats are actually what defines the style of music, not the vocal style.

Madlib, DJ Shadow, DJ Spinna, Dan The Automator, E-Swift, RZA, Prince Paul, Butterfly, Celph Titled, Rjd2, El-P, DJ Hi-Tek (in his underground days, especially Black Star),, are all incredible.

[QUOTE=88_Fingers_Joe]Even though Lil John is Gangster Rap, i like him alot.[/QUOTE]

Lil John is [B]not[/B] Gangster Rap

So who wants to do the next FG? [email]peter.mchugh@gmail.com[/email] if you're interested or just say it here.

[QUOTE=ZEROthirtythree]Lil John is [B]not[/B] Gangster Rap[/QUOTE]


PREACH!