[QUOTE=Soundless.Vow]Hey Jay...

Maybe you can help me out a little bit... I really want to learn how to scream in the style of "Young and Aspiring" - Underoath or The Used but I don't know where to start or what I should be doing. I have an decent singing voice, however I've never taken lessons. I know that no two screams sound alike, but I'd really like to learn how to scream using their technique... you can listen to "Young and Aspiring" here: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/Underoath/music[/url]

Thanks,

Soundless.Vow[/QUOTE]

Hey Soundless.Vow...
The singer of Underoath has a great voice. His normal voice is clear & strong, so I am thinking , he has some sort of harmonic distortion on his voice when he screams.... If NOT, man, I think he is in danger of damaging his voice early on. if he is doing that scream with his voice unnafected, and it is hard to tell by the recording..it sounds like he is putting out a lot more air & less voice.
On my second listen... I still hear some processing on his voice. I would love to hear these guys sing this song live... I will watch for more tracks from them..they are a great band BTW....
As far as this type of scream, I would approach it with your own style at first..
I can do this scream, but it IS hard & Take a lot of volume & pushing....
So, I would suggest if you are already singing, try to work with the tone...This scream is more a scream of angst & terror, more that it is a note...SO, the pitch is not as important as the effect....
Also, when you have a PA & mic available, to running a distortion effect thru the Mic & see if you can achieve this with out running your vocal chords thru a cheese grater.
Sorry, I wasn't much help on this one....
I will check out more of their material & will get back to you on this type of scream.

Jay

My singing voice is weird, I got 2. One sounds good but it's quiet...the other is the voice is use when im talking it sounds crappy complete with puberty squeaks lol. Can anyone explain this?

Is the first one higher? Falsetto is the only thing I could think of, but most guys don't think it sounds "good."

[QUOTE=JayLink]Hey Soundless.Vow...
The singer of Underoath has a great voice. His normal voice is clear & strong, so I am thinking , he has some sort of harmonic distortion on his voice when he screams.... If NOT, man, I think he is in danger of damaging his voice early on. if he is doing that scream with his voice unnafected, and it is hard to tell by the recording..it sounds like he is putting out a lot more air & less voice.
On my second listen... I still hear some processing on his voice. I would love to hear these guys sing this song live... I will watch for more tracks from them..they are a great band BTW....
As far as this type of scream, I would approach it with your own style at first..
I can do this scream, but it IS hard & Take a lot of volume & pushing....
So, I would suggest if you are already singing, try to work with the tone...This scream is more a scream of angst & terror, more that it is a note...SO, the pitch is not as important as the effect....
Also, when you have a PA & mic available, to running a distortion effect thru the Mic & see if you can achieve this with out running your vocal chords thru a cheese grater.
Sorry, I wasn't much help on this one....
I will check out more of their material & will get back to you on this type of scream.

Jay[/QUOTE] The "clear" singing is the drummer :) *wow, just listened to that song, he scream is SO much different then "When the sun sleeps" he sounds a lot like Bert in Y&A* All the screams come from...well the lead screamer ^^. Anywho, Jay I would like to you listen to 36 Crazyfists. Their singer has such an unique voice and scream. I want to know what to do to be able to sing/scream like him. Songs to check out our Slit Wrist Theory and Skin and Atmosphere. Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=Soundless.Vow]Hey Jay...

Maybe you can help me out a little bit... I really want to learn how to scream in the style of "Young and Aspiring" - Underoath or The Used but I don't know where to start or what I should be doing. I have an decent singing voice, however I've never taken lessons. I know that no two screams sound alike, but I'd really like to learn how to scream using their technique... you can listen to "Young and Aspiring" here: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/Underoath/music[/url]

Thanks,

Soundless.Vow[/QUOTE]

if you read the thread the technique describe is exactly how these singers scream, it is the same scream i do in my band. the end.

Hey SchismBassist:
I will definitely check out 36 Crazyfists & get back to you shortly....
Take Care

Jay

Thanks man ^_^

[QUOTE=SchismBassist]The "clear" singing is the drummer :) *wow, just listened to that song, he scream is SO much different then "When the sun sleeps" he sounds a lot like Bert in Y&A*...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I knew about the "clear" singing drummer, however, they recently got a new screamer due to some problem with Dallas, so that is why both screams sound completely different. If you listen closely, there are two different singing parts in "Young and Aspiring" which makes me think that the lead "screamer" can sing as well. So disregard all previous Underoath songs for this example.

Oh and thanks for the tip Silver, I just wanted to get Jay's opinion on this one.

Thanks once again everyone,

Soundless.Vow

Is the singer from Dead Poetics voice really like that? because it sounds like it has been processed or something, the scream just sounds so perfect

[QUOTE=Soundless.Vow]Yeah, I knew about the "clear" singing drummer, however, they recently got a new screamer due to some problem with Dallas, so that is why both screams sound completely different. If you listen closely, there are two different singing parts in "Young and Aspiring" which makes me think that the lead "screamer" can sing as well. So disregard all previous Underoath songs for this example.

Oh and thanks for the tip Silver, I just wanted to get Jay's opinion on this one.

Thanks once again everyone,

Soundless.Vow[/QUOTE] Really? I did not know that. What exactly happened to Dallas?

[QUOTE=SchismBassist]Really? I did not know that. What exactly happened to Dallas?[/QUOTE]

Yeah... they didn't give much detail into the situation, and there has been much speculation, but I guess that it's better to leave well enough alone. I really like their new style, a lot of people have told me it's too much like "The Used" but to me it has its own style... somehow, but this isn't one of those "like it or leave it" threads so I'll shut up now.

So ive been screaming for a little while now, i looked over the tips and it seemed to follow what ive been trying on my own. The only thing is, when i actually scream it sounds off. It sounds perfect when i do it using my wispering voice (maybe just because i can practice that any time without others hearing)... So for me its all an issue of getting that wispering voice, well, loud and proper. I sort of keep my throat narrow when i scream wispering, but when i scream loud, i cant do this it doesnt sound the same, my voice just goes all wonky. Its all about using that roof of your mouth like was discussed, but when done loudly, theres more pressure on the roof of my mouth and so i get an annoying squeak basically like im screaming and singing high falsetto overtop.

What am i doing wrong while making my scream louder? any pointers? Basically the way i get it to sound best right now is to push all the air as hard as i can from my stomach and just belt it, using a bit of the upper part of my mouth. Its a good scream but it lacks that desired high toned kick to it that finch, the used and other have in their screams.

Soundless, can you scream like this guy? I love this scream. My orginal scream was exactly like Dallas but now I wanna learn how to scream like their new screamer/singer. Also, do you have AIM?

hey guys, i just wanted to say this thread has helped me se much in my screaming, i have managed to perfect the exact scream i want...i'm really happy with it.

Bump*age

So will someone please respond to this question so i know which direction to go. I want to scream like christian from blindside or kinda shout/scream like dustin from thrice. Which do i do, the whisper one but push ALOT of air out (which sounds really corky and strange) and i just need practice with it, or do the one where i keep my throat hydrated and just so pretty loud but not for long periods. Which method is the right one?

JAY! Where are you!?!

I've been reading all these pages and got a feel pointers to help my scream. I have a quick song I recorded with me screaming in it that I would like you guys to hear. But soundclick is not allowing me to upload....

[QUOTE=SchismBassist]JAY! Where are you!?![/QUOTE]

Hey SchismBassist...
I am here, but I am in the studio recording the last 7 tracks for our debut CD, so I haven't been able to get in here as much as I have wanted.....

Here is a post from another thread of mine....

90% of all screamers use at least distortion on their screams in the studio & live.
Other effect used are harmonizers, octave dividers, digital delay effects.
they also use tube overdrive distortion to make up that low end growl type scream.

That is why I keep on trying to tell all the younger screamers & singers, this is not done with just the natural voice.
If you try to duplicate all the screams with your natural voice, you will destroy your vocals chords over time.

With this in Mind...I think all younger vocalist should try to build up their singing voice first..with breathing & support exercises, before attempting to scream....& when you do scream , make sure you are warmed up & then don't over do it...if your whole song involves 3 minutes of low end growling or screams, I suggest you use some sort of effects to achieve these type of screams..it will also save your voice....
I will be going back to my LA vocal coach in a few weeks for some refresher courses before my band goes on tour..I will pick her brain for some screaming tips... and SchismBassist, I will check on your stuuf tonight & give you some info on the type of scream you are trying to achieve...
Take Care

Jay

Ok, I finally got it. Here is me screaming. I know it's not good quality and I improvised EVERY part of it. Anywho, here it is, click on @_@ [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/wonderbread.htm[/url]

Edit: Wait till 1:34 before you start to hear sound. Something happened while I recorded it and it doesnt start till then @_@.

[QUOTE=Underoath]Ok, I finally got it. Here is me screaming. I know it's not good quality and I improvised EVERY part of it. Anywho, here it is, click on @_@ [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/wonderbread.htm[/url]

Edit: Wait till 1:34 before you start to hear sound. Something happened while I recorded it and it doesnt start till then @_@.[/QUOTE]


hey what effects did u use?

[QUOTE=SchismBassist]JAY! Where are you!?![/QUOTE]

OK..SB.....
I finally got to listen to 36Crazyfists.. On "Skin".this guy has a strong powerful voice...awesome singer...only effect I could hear on his voice was a quantizing effect.. in otherwords wher they thicken the vocal track electronically...
The low end growl.. sounded like him... but he used it sparingly & very tastefully..his phrasing & vocal tone are excellent....

Next I checked out "Slit Wrist Theory"
Again...some digital slapback echo, reverb & double vocal tracks ...
on the chorus..when he screams GTFO....etc...it is him screaming but I hear some very slight digital distortion or modulation..just to make it sound a little more crunchier.... excellent stuff..
With a lot of practice, any good vocalist should be able to sound a lot like this vocalist...
This guy is a pro with a lot of years under his belt...

Keep practicing...rock on...

Jay

[QUOTE=Generals Warning]hey what effects did u use?[/QUOTE]
None. That is all my real voice.

[QUOTE=Underoath]None. That is all my real voice.[/QUOTE]

well to me it sounds that there is one

Thanks Jay. At the college they have singing lessons coming up in August. I was wondering if you think I should take them? I believe it's for a week or two and the fee is $200 I believe. What ya think?

Underoath-Listen to it. For an improvised song, it sounded decent. I don't know if you would call it a chorus but when you scream the "Bleed and something ashes part" *Sorry, couldnt make out the words. That sounded awesome man. Doesn't sound like he is using an effect Warning but maybe im wrong.

[QUOTE=Underoath]None. That is all my real voice.[/QUOTE]

Underoath...
I heard your track, & I have to tell ya...It hurt my vocal chords to hear you sing like that...
If that was not affected in any way by a distortion effect , then you won't have a voice after singing like that for 12 months....
Trust me, I Have been singing rock & metal for over 20 years...
I have a great growl when I need it..but it took years of training...
Please consider a vocal coach before you go off & screw up your vocal chords. BTW, you have a pretty good tone, when you sing regular....
Start with that & go slowly with the screaming...

Good LUck..
Jay

[QUOTE=SchismBassist]Thanks Jay. At the college they have singing lessons coming up in August. I was wondering if you think I should take them? I believe it's for a week or two and the fee is $200 I believe. What ya think?

Underoath-Listen to it. For an improvised song, it sounded decent. I don't know if you would call it a chorus but when you scream the "Bleed and something ashes part" *Sorry, couldnt make out the words. That sounded awesome man. Doesn't sound like he is using an effect Warning but maybe im wrong.[/QUOTE]

Sb ...ANY singing lessons will always help..make sure you get a qualified vocal coach..& the $200 is worth it.....
I used to pay $80 per hour, and that was back in the early & Mid 80's...so the two week course would definitely be worth it.....
Any investment in your voice, is a good one, since your voice is your instrument...

Keep rockin' SB

Jay

Nice nice, thanks Jay!

If you think that static or whatever is distortion..it's not. I was just singing pretty close to the ****ty mic that I have and it came out like that. JayL it does not bother me throat or anything at all when I scream. I am trying to use my Falsetto(sp?) voice with some push from my diaphram. Am I even doing it right? Also, I would love to take singing lessons but unfortunetly I come from a small town and we don't have anything here. The closest thing I have to singing lessons is trying to match keys with my keyboard...

It's hard to tell from that track...
I think the s****y mic was cool cause it gave you some natural disortion , which is cool... I need to hear more of your singing to make a proper analysis.....

In the next 30-60 days, I am working hard to develop an on line rock vocal clinic....it will be
1.Real Cheap for a months worth of lessons
2. Interactive, I will find a way for you to post your voice so I can hear where you are at/ Plus I will post MP3 of lessons you can sing to....
3.I will be giving one on one lessons & also telephone support...
4. I will only take younger vocalist who are very serious .
5. I will only take vocalist who want to sing rock, hard rock, or metal....

My Web Dev is working on the whole thing right now...
SO, I also want to hear from you guys as to what you think would work & be helpful to you on this type of web site...
Thanks,
Jay