[QUOTE=bringonthebreakdown;16609835]good metalcore albums
1. august burns red - messengers
2. parkway drive - killing with a smile
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yeah those are my two favorite I'd say, Thrill Seeker and Messengers are even imo

[QUOTE=asdemonsburn;16609846]yeah those are my two favorite I'd say, Thrill Seeker and Messengers are even imo[/QUOTE]

as far as metalcore goes they're my two favorite too. messengers is just a tad better vocalwise, but thrill seeker is soooo great (the seventh trumpet is such an incredible track). i really only included botch and converge because i'd be crucified if i didn't.

you guys are so gullible lol

[QUOTE=Iluvatar;16609873]you guys are so gullible lol[/QUOTE]

how are we gullible?

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[QUOTE=JJLink;16609824]cool thanks, now I am understanding it a little better.
Name your favorite 5 metalcore bands and 5 favorite deathcore bands and I will go check them out.[/QUOTE]

Metalcore :
1. 7 Angels 7 Plagues - Jhazmyne's Lullaby
2. Botch - We Are The Romans
3. Converge - Jane Doe
4. Architects - Nightmares
5. Misery Signals - Of Malice and the Magnum Heart

Deathcore :
1. Glass Casket - We Are Gathered Here Today
2. Whitechapel - This Is Exile
3. Viatrophy - Chronicles EP
4. The Red Shore - Salvaging What's Left Ep
5. Veil of Maya - The Common Man's Collapse

not that he gives a **** about either genre and is looking to be an attention seeking whore as usual but w/e

A7X lolololololollolllllll

metalcore:

unearth
darkest hour
august burns red
i killed the prom queen
parkway drive

[QUOTE=JJLink;16609807]Alright, I am an old veteran rocker, back in my day we had hard rock, Heavy metal and that was it. Now we got 612 genres of rock...I just have one question for now, so please enlighten me. What is the difference between deathcore and metalcore. Thanks!![/QUOTE]

i'm very sorry but there's more to understand than just the difference between metalcore and deathcore

first of all, you need to understand what hardcore is - because if you don't, you're very likely to start calling modern heavy metal/melodeath "metalcore" for no good reason. 95% of kids today (and that includes a lot of people on these boards) have no idea what metalcore is because they have no idea what hardcore is.

hardcore is a movement in punk music (you know punk music, the kind of music that you hated as a kid) that basically just took punk to a new extreme as far as speed and aggression went. listen to something like black flag, poison idea, circle jerks or descendents (lol, pop-punk yeah right). there are 1,000,000+1 hardcore bands, but dig out the classics to get an idea.

now metalcore would be short for "metal-infused hardcore" so it would be hardcore music. but with a metal touch. there are many ways to interpret this, which is the first pitfall of the "metalcore" label - the first and most obvious one is thrash, since thrash evolved from metal parallell with hardcore evolving from punk. they met up back together again in what is popularly called "crossover thrash" or just crossover. there is also the case of grindcore, which can be seen as a unanimous evolution of hardcore and death metal into the pinnacle of hard, fast and ugly music. some grind bands play way more punk-sounding grind while others are more geared towards death metal, but it is still a case of punk/metal interbreeding.

the genre that came to be metalcore, however, is usually a mix of regular heavy metal riffs in a hardcore setting, or hardcore borrowing musical metal aesthtics, such as guitar harmonies and more riff-driven music. perfect examples of metalcore (where you can still clearly hear that the foundation of the music is hardcore, hardcore with a clear metal influence) would be bands like indecision, deadguy, converge and shai hulud.

at this point there should be little to no confusion so far as to what metalcore is (the introduction of metal ideas into hardcore music). there has however since been a revival of the metalcore genre where the '-core' part (the hardcore part, to spell it out) has been more or less ignored, taking the hardcore out of metal-tinged hardcore. this is perhaps the first step in a long line of unneccesary confusions and disagreements, because calling 21st century heavy metal "metalcore" for no good reason seems to be universally accepted. some of this confusion stems from the deep-seated misconception that 'breakdowns' (a slowing down or instensifying of a musical piece, often by going into halftime with a clearer emphasis on the beat) is something exclusive to hardcore music - we will get back to this when covering deathcore - when in fact, most early hardcore did not employ this technique at all. most of this prejudice seems to stem from new york hardcore, i.e. agnostic front, if i am not mistaken.

which leads us to deathcore. which is in fact not - while logically it [I]should [/I]be - "death metal-infused hardcore", but rather a meeting of 21st century heavy metal and death metal. something (too) often used to distinguish between deathcore and regular death metal is, again, the breakdowns. however, regular death metal has for decades used breakdowns - again, perhaps most prevalent in the new york school of death metal, first and foremost example always used is suffocation. one [I]could[/I] argue that the breakdowns used in deathcore stem from the tough guy hardcore with breakdowns, but thats (as far as i'm concerned) just walking over the river to get water. the obvious answer would be that this trait is derived from slam death. so in reality, adding a -core to death metal has, in this case, little to nothing to do with hardcore music. there is no trace of minor threat in whitechapel. there [I]are[/I] traces of bands like minor threat in metalcore bands like indecision.

so there is a very fundamental difference between metalcore and deathcore.

metalcore is derived from hardcore. modern/new wave metalcore is derived from heavy metal.

deathcore is derived from death metal. there is, as far as i know, no 'original' wave of deathcore derived from hardcore, so the -core suffix in the word "deathcore" is entirely gratituous.

post of the year

Post of the year indeed man.

Tbh the whole reason we have a deathcore thread is so that people dont get flamed if they talk about bands like whitechapel in the DM thread.

[QUOTE=Pete;16610597]

which leads us to deathcore. which is in fact not - while logically it [I]should [/I]be - "death metal-infused hardcore", but rather a meeting of 21st century heavy metal and death metal. something (too) often used to distinguish between deathcore and regular death metal is, again, the breakdowns. however, regular death metal has for decades used breakdowns - again, perhaps most prevalent in the new york school of death metal, first and foremost example always used is suffocation. one [I]could[/I] argue that the breakdowns used in deathcore stem from the tough guy hardcore with breakdowns, but thats (as far as i'm concerned) just walking over the river to get water. the obvious answer would be that this trait is derived from slam death. so in reality, adding a -core to death metal has, in this case, little to nothing to do with hardcore music. there is no trace of minor threat in whitechapel. there [I]are[/I] traces of bands like minor threat in metalcore bands like indecision.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. It's not death metal with hardcore parts. Alot of death metal uses hardcore-influenced parts and obviously isn't deathcore so it's kind of stupid to apply the label that way.

[QUOTE=4yearpro?;16610577]metalcore:

unearth
darkest hour
august burns red
i killed the prom queen
parkway drive[/QUOTE]
Darkest Hour is melo-death not metalcore

[QUOTE=Pete;16610597]i'm very sorry but there's more to understand than just the difference between metalcore and deathcore

first of all, you need to understand what hardcore is - because if you don't, you're very likely to start calling modern heavy metal/melodeath "metalcore" for no good reason. 95% of kids today (and that includes a lot of people on these boards) have no idea what metalcore is because they have no idea what hardcore is.

hardcore is a movement in punk music (you know punk music, the kind of music that you hated as a kid) that basically just took punk to a new extreme as far as speed and aggression went. listen to something like black flag, poison idea, circle jerks or descendents (lol, pop-punk yeah right). there are 1,000,000+1 hardcore bands, but dig out the classics to get an idea.

now metalcore would be short for "metal-infused hardcore" so it would be hardcore music. but with a metal touch. there are many ways to interpret this, which is the first pitfall of the "metalcore" label - the first and most obvious one is thrash, since thrash evolved from metal parallell with hardcore evolving from punk. they met up back together again in what is popularly called "crossover thrash" or just crossover. there is also the case of grindcore, which can be seen as a unanimous evolution of hardcore and death metal into the pinnacle of hard, fast and ugly music. some grind bands play way more punk-sounding grind while others are more geared towards death metal, but it is still a case of punk/metal interbreeding.

the genre that came to be metalcore, however, is usually a mix of regular heavy metal riffs in a hardcore setting, or hardcore borrowing musical metal aesthtics, such as guitar harmonies and more riff-driven music. perfect examples of metalcore (where you can still clearly hear that the foundation of the music is hardcore, hardcore with a clear metal influence) would be bands like indecision, deadguy, converge and shai hulud.

at this point there should be little to no confusion so far as to what metalcore is (the introduction of metal ideas into hardcore music). there has however since been a revival of the metalcore genre where the '-core' part (the hardcore part, to spell it out) has been more or less ignored, taking the hardcore out of metal-tinged hardcore. this is perhaps the first step in a long line of unneccesary confusions and disagreements, because calling 21st century heavy metal "metalcore" for no good reason seems to be universally accepted. some of this confusion stems from the deep-seated misconception that 'breakdowns' (a slowing down or instensifying of a musical piece, often by going into halftime with a clearer emphasis on the beat) is something exclusive to hardcore music - we will get back to this when covering deathcore - when in fact, most early hardcore did not employ this technique at all. most of this prejudice seems to stem from new york hardcore, i.e. agnostic front, if i am not mistaken.

which leads us to deathcore. which is in fact not - while logically it [I]should [/I]be - "death metal-infused hardcore", but rather a meeting of 21st century heavy metal and death metal. something (too) often used to distinguish between deathcore and regular death metal is, again, the breakdowns. however, regular death metal has for decades used breakdowns - again, perhaps most prevalent in the new york school of death metal, first and foremost example always used is suffocation. one [I]could[/I] argue that the breakdowns used in deathcore stem from the tough guy hardcore with breakdowns, but thats (as far as i'm concerned) just walking over the river to get water. the obvious answer would be that this trait is derived from slam death. so in reality, adding a -core to death metal has, in this case, little to nothing to do with hardcore music. there is no trace of minor threat in whitechapel. there [I]are[/I] traces of bands like minor threat in metalcore bands like indecision.

so there is a very fundamental difference between metalcore and deathcore.

metalcore is derived from hardcore. modern/new wave metalcore is derived from heavy metal.

deathcore is derived from death metal. there is, as far as i know, no 'original' wave of deathcore derived from hardcore, so the -core suffix in the word "deathcore" is entirely gratituous.[/QUOTE]

i would totally pos this if i knew how.
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[QUOTE=McP3000;16610785]Darkest Hour is melo-death not metalcore[/QUOTE]

newer stuff is rock-ish melodeath, earlier stuff is definitely metalcore

i classify them as metalcore. if u dont like it, idc. most ppl no them as that so thats wut i ccall em'

u ned beter wasy of clasifyin tings den, ppl liek u sikken me''''

[QUOTE=masscows;16611147]u ned beter wasy of clasifyin tings den, ppl liek u sikken me''''[/QUOTE]

u r jsut 2 31337

no dude eh shudnt ccall em' metalcore it jus aint rite

their like REALLY early stuff. like ep and first album are metalcoreish, but after that they're straight melodeath

no dude itss jus dat wut eh ccalls em' is rong ehs rong