[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]Personally I don't think too much of Maynard, but when a band goes to great lenghts to protect there music and keep it under wraps until the day it is released only to have there so called "fans" download it in advance I find it very disrespectful.[/QUOTE]

but then buying it the day it comes out. They would like that very much.

I'll be buying my copy the second I see it. I downloaded it. I don't care. What Tool are afraid of is that people will d/l the album, then NOT buy it. This probably will happen, but I shall be buying it.

So I don't disrespect Tool at all imo.

its their interpretation really. I dont give a flying horses arse if they find my DL disrespectful, etc :lol:


I've given them enough of my money, and I'm not about to stop any time in the near future. If they wanna blame someone, blame the person who was responsible for the initial leak

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]its their interpretation really. I dont give a flying horses arse if they find my DL disrespectful, etc :lol:


I've given them enough of my money, and I'm not about to stop any time in the near future. If they wanna blame someone, blame the person who was responsible for the initial leak[/QUOTE]

When did the other album's leak? Take Lateralus for example. Did it leak before the release like 10 000 days?

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]When did the other album's leak? Take Lateralus for example. Did it leak before the release like 10 000 days?[/QUOTE]


honestly, i couldnt tell ya. This is the first album i ever cared about getting the leak of :lol:

Ok then [B]f[/B]uck it. Lets all disregard the fact that Danny says they want to make an impact with there new record by keeping it under wraps until release, because having respect for anything or anyone is absolutely rediculous concept. GG, greed prevails.

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]Ok then [B]f[/B]uck it. Lets all disregard the fact that Danny says they want to make an impact with there new record by keeping it under wraps until release, because having respect for anything or anyone is absolutely rediculous concept. GG, greed prevails.[/QUOTE]


i dont see how this has anything to do with anything. They are still gonna get their money. Their shows are STILL sold out. What more would they want?


O, they had a special tea party planned, and now the Paddington Bear isn't gonna show :lol:


the leaked album changes nothing

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]Ok then [B]f[/B]uck it. Lets all disregard the fact that Danny says they want to make an impact with there new record by keeping it under wraps until release, because having respect for anything or anyone is absolutely rediculous concept. GG, greed prevails.[/QUOTE]



We already disregarded and not an ounce of guilt among us.

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]Ok then [B]f[/B]uck it. Lets all disregard the fact that Danny says they want to make an impact with there new record by keeping it under wraps until release, because having respect for anything or anyone is absolutely rediculous concept. GG, greed prevails.[/QUOTE]

Are you blaming us for the leak?

Fuk off.

When I was a kid I didn't open my christmas presents until christmas morning out of pure respect for my mother. The presents were under the tree for weeks before christmas but this didn't mean I had to be a greedy [B]f[/B]uck open everything up.

nah, hes saying we should get are arses spanked cause we DL'd it :lol:

Infinite Ammo, What do you want from us?

Does anyone here respect musicians?

I don't really get his point. I don't think he has one.

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]Does anyone here respect musicians?[/QUOTE]


how about u respect my fist in ur face

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]Does anyone here respect musicians?[/QUOTE]


I am a musician..


so you're asking do I respect myself? Of course :D

I'm still buying the album, so yes I do have respect for Musicians.

Infinite ammo. Are you telling me you NEVER downloaded an album?

I'm talking more famous musicians.

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]I'm still buying the album, so yes I do have respect for Musicians.

Infinite ammo. Are you telling me you NEVER downloaded an album?[/QUOTE]
Tell me what you think it means to have respect for famous musicians.

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]I'm talking more famous musicians.[/QUOTE]



Tool don't want to be considered famous. Way to contradict yourself.

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]I'm talking more famous musicians.[/QUOTE]


how do want us to show respect?


Give them money? Go to their shows? Wake up hours early on my Saturday off in hopes of getting tickets, only to be shat in the face my scalpers? Having more T-shirts that don their name than anything else i can think of? Learning countless songs/riffs by members of their band? Re-buying albums because i played out the previous ones?


If you expect me to do anything else outside of the aformentioned things, you are fukking nuts/stupid/retarded/etc. As far as the people in the band, and their "wishes" its not really my perogative, nor my priority to give a shizz

So everything to do with having respect for a band surrounds your own personal possessions and wants? Having a care in the world about what they wish to happen for their new record is just rediculous right?

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]So everything to do with having respect for a band surrounds your own personal possessions and wants? Having a care in the world about what they wish to happen for their new record is just rediculous right?[/QUOTE]


well, kind of...


I dont expect anyone else to give a flying fuk for my personal wishes, and I dont see why anyone else is egotistical enough to think anyone cares about theirs.

The only people's wishes i care about and take to heart are my immediate family, and my girl. Outside of that, well, its just that.

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]Tell me what you think it means to have respect for famous musicians.[/QUOTE]

exactly what Che said.
That's respect. Tool appreciate that. If I download an album, I buy it if it's good.
In Tool's case, I just buy it anyway, because I'm in love with Tool and I BUY their album when I see it.

If they want to release albums every 5 years, so be it. But they are just creating huge hype behind their albums that force people to d/l it, but then they buy it anyway because of the respect they have for Tool.

i think he just has an idealistic approach. They are not my Maker or my God

Well then I guess it's game over for me and anyone else who has the slightest of respect for musicians and what they intend to do with their own original material.
But hey who gives a [B]f[/B]uck, atleast your own greed has been pleased for a short amount of time, and that's what matters guys.

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]Well then I guess it's game over for me and anyone else who has the slightest of respect for musicians and what they intend to do with their own original material.
But hey who gives a [B]f[/B]uck, atleast your own greed has been pleased for a short amount of time, and that's what matters guys.[/QUOTE]


:lol:

All the stupidest posters are Australian.

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]All the stupidest posters are Australian.[/QUOTE]
I never knew you were Australian?

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]Well then I guess it's game over for me and anyone else who has the slightest of respect for musicians and what they intend to do with their own original material.
But hey who gives a [B]f[/B]uck, atleast your own greed has been pleased for a short amount of time, and that's what matters guys.[/QUOTE]



your opinion of greed is obviously skewed. If you think you have a more mature sense of "respect" for musicians, I think you would be a little nieve. Obviously, if we were greedy, we would be making copies of the leaked album and selling them on the streets for cash money...


..or buying all the tickets available for shows, and selling them at 500 bucks a seat on ebay.

As far as you being the judge/jury, id LOVE to check your harddrive and see how many albums on there you DON'T own.

Also, I know you are an avid gamer so it would also be amusing to see how many roms you've downloaded in the past 5 years :lol:



NP : TOoL - The Pot (Infinite Ammo, this is for you)

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]I never knew you were Australian?[/QUOTE]


Well I am.

I will make sure I pay particular attention to 'the Pot' when I get the album tomorrow night.

You can stop arguing with me because I give up, I guess there is just no place in the world for respecting those we are not directly involved with, even if we are big fans.

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]I will make sure I pay particular attention to 'the Pot' when I get the album tomorrow night.

You can stop arguing with me because I give up, I guess there is just no place in the world for respecting those we are not directly involved with, even if we are big fans.[/QUOTE]

i could argue that I'm EASILY a bigger fan than you, and i dont see what point you are trying to make besides "we suck for DL'ing the album"



get the fuk over it. Im sure TOoL already has

actually its more of the tool fanboys that download the leak because they cant resist the temptation. i'm more patient and will get the album on tuesday.. other will pass by the cd store and go ' hey i didnt know tool released a new album' and they buy off the album/
the bottomline - ' who leaked the album ? '

honestly...


i want to make out with the person responsible for leaking the album :lol:

I'm not saying you suck for downloading the album, I'm saying everything sucks because no one has respect for anythign anymore.

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]I'm not saying you suck for downloading the album, I'm saying everything sucks because no one has respect for anythign anymore.[/QUOTE]


well, you have YET to be able to refute my previous claims, but inherently, your statement could be argued. I just think its unfounded

The leak was supposedly from one of the big online CD stores, when they got their review copy. So ill hook you up with some amazon employee Che :lol:

Just to put across my point as another non-downloader, it was my personal desire to wait for the CD, not because I felt guilty about getting it before im supposed to. Anyone who downloaded the album and buys it are not some bad person, (just a lil impatient :p.)
Those who download it, and then contribute nothing financially towards the band are the crooks

I got the cd burned from a friend but I'm buying the album so I can see the artwork.

"foot in mouth and head up a**hole, whatcha talkin bout?"

I downloaded it, even after all my preaching of it being better to wait :) Oh well, I think I have a decent excuse.

I'll buy it, and I joined the Tool Army. The Collective is expensive.

Pre-ordered my copy today at my record store. They also put me down for Pearl Jam's album, though not sure if ill be picking that up straight away