I read an article that I found kinda funny. As good as angus is as a soloist, he actually says that he hates doing it. He thinks that Malcolm has way more talent than he does. Whether or not that's true is debatable but I found that kinda of humorous.

I like watching AC/DC and angus because they have a great stage show, but have great toe-tapping, grinding, driving, rock that not very many people hear nowadays. Not that I'd want a clone band or anything but I like them because they are unique. The other thing is that within a few secs. of any of their songs, you can almost instantly recognize them. That is a very rare attribute in music.

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]And about the whole not that many classic rock bands have sold that much, thats bulls[SIZE="2"]hi[/SIZE]t. Led Zeppelin have sold a lot, Cream has sold a lot, and so has The Who, but does that make them any less talented, no. And I'm not talking about in skill, I'm also talking about making popular music.[/QUOTE]

Of the HUNDREDS of classic rock bands, only FOUR in history have sold more albums than AC/DC.

So YES, AC/DC has sold MORE records than MOST of the classic rock bands in history.

Based on U.S. sales figures:

The Who have sold twenty million records, and Cream even less than that.

AC/DC has sold SIXTY-SIX MILLION records, about twice as many as the Who and Cream combined---and AC/DC did so in a lot fewer years.

AC/DC has also sold MORE records than Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones, Metallica, Van Halen, U2, Santana, Journey and Guns 'n Roses.

So YES, AC/DC has one helluva TALENT for producing enormously popular hard rock music.

Out of interest what were the bands/musicians that beat AC/DC?

I'd say that Ac/Dc is one of the most important bands in the rock'n'roll history.
They changed the old way to a new more aggressive way of playin' e.g. guitar.
And Ac/Dc has the best Rythmguitarman in the world.I don't know anyone who can play such correct and always in the right way than Malcolm Young.
And Angus Young is a very good Entertainer and is able to play the guitar very fast and clearly.I think he doesn't play the best soli during the songs but if he plays alone he's such unbelieveable.
And even if you hate them you have to say that they've a very big world success.Every band which has so much fans like Ac/Dc or don't know GAR is very good.You don't have to like them but you have to say: "Yeah they've done their thing."

And I want to thank my father that he showed me his old LPs of Ac/Dc.

[QUOTE=Music Man]First of all, the words "amazing songwriters" and "amazingly talented" are YOURS, not mine. I NEVER stated that they were "amazing songwriters", or that they were "amazingly talented".

So please don't put words in my mouth.

What I said was "AC/DC had a TALENT for producing enormously popular hard rock music."

And my statement is easily proven correct, by the hard fact that AC/DC is in the top five on the all-time bestselling rock groups list, with over SIXTY MILLION albums sold in the U.S. alone.


Songs don't have to be complex in order to be enormously popular.[/QUOTE]

You're still think popularity=talent. Ac/dc is in no ways amazing or excellent songwriters. They stick to old cliche song structures and never try anything new. Also, appealing to American audience does not take much musical talent ex. look at mainstream media

I am not ripping on ac/dc this is the facts. I don't care if you like em or not but this is what the truth is

And about your last statement it's pretty much songs CAN'T be complex to be enoormously popular.

[QUOTE=Bon_Scottie]Apolagies, but yeah, it does.

Its called entertainment. Sure somebody who's technically awesome on guitar would keep me entertained, but not as much as somebody like Angus who physically is all over the shops.

I guess its your own opinion.[/QUOTE]

Unless, just maybe.. your actually there for the..... [i]music[/i]

[QUOTE=Angus Young]And Ac/Dc has the best Rythmguitarman in the world.I don't know anyone who can play such correct and always in the right way than Malcolm Young.
.[/QUOTE]

While I do enjoy his rythm playings, he is soo overrated. And person with a simple sense of rythm could play his passages. Angus just overrates him waaay too much.

Any band that sells that many records have to have a small piece of musical talent, and all these people talking about overated guitarists, such as angus and malcom, are always arguing about whos overtaed but really any great guitarists are over rated in someone elses mind.

[QUOTE=Music Man]Of the HUNDREDS of classic rock bands, only FOUR in history have sold more albums than AC/DC.

So YES, AC/DC has sold MORE records than MOST of the classic rock bands in history.

Based on U.S. sales figures:

The Who have sold twenty million records, and Cream even less than that.

AC/DC has sold SIXTY-SIX MILLION records, about twice as many as the Who and Cream combined---and AC/DC did so in a lot fewer years.

AC/DC has also sold MORE records than Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones, Metallica, Van Halen, U2, Santana, Journey and Guns 'n Roses.

So YES, AC/DC has one helluva TALENT for producing enormously popular hard rock music.[/QUOTE]
He said that AC/DC were the the only Classic rock band to sell a lot of records I pointed out his mistake, read the ****ing conversation first before you post.

**** this I'm done with arguing with you.

[QUOTE=thunderzstruck]Unless, just maybe.. your actually there for the..... [i]music[/i][/QUOTE]

... maybe my definition of stage presence is different to yours.

Like I said, its entertainment. If somebody is running around on stage like mad man playing tracks you love, you'll be entertained. I get what you're saying, but man... entertainment is the key. To have a greater stage presence than something like that just musically, the band has to be awesome. You have to be totally involved with the music.

My definition of stage presence is how much entertainment you bring to the stage, and much 'presence' you have.

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]He said that AC/DC were the the only Classic rock band to sell a lot of records I pointed out his mistake, read the ****ing conversation first before you post.

**** this I'm done with arguing with you.[/QUOTE]

What?

[QUOTE=Bon_Scottie]Agreed that AC/DC are talented for selling so much. I mean, how many true classic rock bands have sold that many albums? Fair enough the ****e that the music industry produce today might sell that much... wouldnt be suprised if that bloody Crazy Frog sold more, but true, true classic rock bands havent reached heights that AC/DC have.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but twenty million compared to sixty million is bugger all.

[QUOTE=Bon_Scottie]What?[/QUOTE]
He was saying that AC/DC was the 4th highest selling band to one of my posts, when the argument you were making was that AC/DC was the only classic rock band to make money.

Please for the love of f*cking god, can we stop the goddamn arguing?!

We, WE, you haven't said **** asshole. Just kidding but can you really have conversation these days without arguing?

[QUOTE=rippa32]Out of interest what were the bands/musicians that beat AC/DC?[/QUOTE]

1. The Beatles
2. Led Zeppelin
3. The Eagles
4. Pink Floyd
5. AC/DC

Name ANY rock band in history that isn't on the above list, and AC/DC has sold more records than they have.

To be number five all-time, out of all the thousands of rock bands that have ever existed---is pretty impressive.

Anybody who thinks AC/DC has little or no songwriting talent is easily proven to be a fool.

If something requires little or no talent to do, that means virtually ANYBODY can do it.

So why don't the self-proclaimed music experts who bash AC/DC, go out and form their own band? Let's see if our so-called "experts" can sell 66 MILLION albums, sell out concert venues on a regular basis for years, and become multi-millionaires with millions of fans on several different continents!

If it doesn't take much talent, then LET'S SEE 'EM DO IT!

Arizona Lover
 

does anyone know where Angus played Arizona Lover, If Its On any DVDs, and were I can get an MP3 or Video of it? If you have one, email it to me. [email]william.godbe@comcast.net[/email]

Anyways.

I Like Bon Scott Better as a singer, But there have been more good songs from the Brian Johnson era. I'm gonna list good songs from the different Eras.

Bon Scott Era:
High Voltage
TNT
It's a Long way to the Top
Dirty Deeds done dirt cheep
Big Balls
Let There Be Rock
Sin City
Riff Raff
Highway To Hell
If You want Blood (You Got It)
Problem Child
Bad Boy Boogie
Whole Lotta Rosie
Rock N' Roll Damnation
touch Too Much

Brian Johnson Era:
Hells Bells
Shoot To Thrill
Back in Black
You Shook Me All Night Long
Rock N' Roll Aint noise Pollution
For Those About To Rock (We Salute You)
Evil Walks
Flick Of The Switch
Guns For Hire
Fly On The Wall
Sink the Pink
Who Made Who
Heatseeker
The Razors Edge
Thunderstruck
Mistress for Christmas
Money Talks
BallBreaker
Stiff Upper Lip

So That's 19 to 15 for The Johnson Era.

[QUOTE=thunderzstruck]What does that have to do with [i]anything[/i]?!

You're thinking popularity = talent. The best artists are the people under the mainsteam because they are too busy perfecting their craft instead of trying to get exposure. Also ac/dc is more popular because they can make 4 minutes (pop) hits.
The people who actually try to be original and try to break out of cliches never get the most attention since that's not what the average music listener seems to want.

Now quit talking and try some better comebacks[/QUOTE]

**** you. Do you really think AC/DC could have sould sixty million something albums if they wrote **** music? sixty million people worldwide can't be wrong. Face the facts: Angus young the greatest guitarist, stage presencewise, ever. Malcolm Young is the greatest Rhythym guitarist of all time, and is underrated. AC/DC has been able to stay together for thirty years, through the death of possibly the greatest frontman of all time, and release 17 albums. And I can say, without any doubt, that you have not listened to too many AC/DC songs. I know this because you say that all AC/DC songs sound the same. That's only true if you listen to a couple of them without paying attention.

[QUOTE=Music Man]1. The Beatles
2. Led Zeppelin
3. The Eagles
4. Pink Floyd
5. AC/DC

Name ANY rock band in history that isn't on the above list, and AC/DC has sold more records than they have.

To be number five all-time, out of all the thousands of rock bands that have ever existed---is pretty impressive.

Anybody who thinks AC/DC has little or no songwriting talent is easily proven to be a fool.

If something requires little or no talent to do, that means virtually ANYBODY can do it.[/QUOTE]
The backstreet Boys, N'Sync, Britney Spears all sold millions upon millions of albums, and they have very very little talent. But maybe they have a talent to sell records, if that is a talent.

[QUOTE=Music Man]So why don't the self-proclaimed music experts who bash AC/DC, go out and form their own band? Let's see if our so-called "experts" can sell 66 MILLION albums, sell out concert venues on a regular basis for years, and become multi-millionaires with millions of fans on several different continents!

If it doesn't take much talent, then LET'S SEE 'EM DO IT![/QUOTE]
Which self-proclamed "music experts" are you talking about. Also if you know anything about AC/DC then you know that they don't make music to make money, They make music to do it for themselves they don't give a flying **** about being popular, they even said they were trying to go back in a way when they made during the Period betwen FTATR and TRE when they were huge stars.

[QUOTE=willay]**** you. Do you really think AC/DC could have sould sixty million something albums if they wrote **** music? sixty million people worldwide can't be wrong. Face the facts: Angus young the greatest guitarist, stage presencewise, ever. Malcolm Young is the greatest Rhythym guitarist of all time, and is underrated. AC/DC has been able to stay together for thirty years, through the death of possibly the greatest frontman of all time, and release 17 albums. And I can say, without any doubt, that you have not listened to too many AC/DC songs. I know this because you say that all AC/DC songs sound the same. That's only true if you listen to a couple of them without paying attention.[/QUOTE]

Malcolm is not underrated.

[QUOTE=Music Man]1. The Beatles
2. Led Zeppelin
3. The Eagles
4. Pink Floyd
5. AC/DC

Name ANY rock band in history that isn't on the above list, and AC/DC has sold more records than they have.

To be number five all-time, out of all the thousands of rock bands that have ever existed---is pretty impressive.

Anybody who thinks AC/DC has little or no songwriting talent is easily proven to be a fool.

If something requires little or no talent to do, that means virtually ANYBODY can do it.

So why don't the self-proclaimed music experts who bash AC/DC, go out and form their own band? Let's see if our so-called "experts" can sell 66 MILLION albums, sell out concert venues on a regular basis for years, and become multi-millionaires with millions of fans on several different continents!

If it doesn't take much talent, then LET'S SEE 'EM DO IT![/QUOTE]

You're an idiot, I'm sorry. But out of just about every music genre ac/dc is one of the worst songwriters. They never try anything new and stick to verse, chorus cliches.
Just because someone is popular doesn't mean it took talent to make. I could write a one note song with just hitting one note and maybe could make milliions. It's all about appeal. Ac/dc just happened to come along when everyone wanted stadium anthems or 4 minutes rock hits, that's it.

But whatever, I'm done.

AC/DC isnt my favorite band but I still listen to them. I cant listen to them for long or ill get sick of listening.

[QUOTE=willay]**** you. Do you really think AC/DC could have sould sixty million something albums if they wrote **** music? sixty million people worldwide can't be wrong. Face the facts: Angus young the greatest guitarist, stage presencewise, ever. Malcolm Young is the greatest Rhythym guitarist of all time, and is underrated. AC/DC has been able to stay together for thirty years, through the death of possibly the greatest frontman of all time, and release 17 albums. And I can say, without any doubt, that you have not listened to too many AC/DC songs. I know this because you say that all AC/DC songs sound the same. That's only true if you listen to a couple of them without paying attention.[/QUOTE]

Wow, Ac/dc sticks to old cliches. But Malcolm is very overrated. Anyone with a basic sense of rythm can play his music and anyone that knows 3 chords can write an ac/dc song. I agree Angus is good onstage but his guitar playing lacks anything creative.

Just so you know, I have heard ALOT of ac/dc. For about two years I was a HUGE ac/dc fan. I would not listen to anything else and anyone who didn't like them I viewed them as ignorant. I was a massive Ac/dc fanboy so don't try to say I don't know what I'm talking about.

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Here are the list of Ac/dc albums I own too:
Ac/dc Live (Double Disc)
Back In Black
High Voltage
Highway To Hell
Let There Be Rock (Also got the concert movie too[good stuff])
Razors Edge
Ball Breaker
If You Want Blood (Live)
Dirty Deeds


Also I own 12 ac/dc albums on original vinyl :)

^^How is "Let There Be Rock" the movie, I heard it's good.

I have AC/DC's entire studio discography, just a little fun fact.
[QUOTE=willay]**** you. Do you really think AC/DC could have sould sixty million something albums if they wrote **** music? sixty million people worldwide can't be wrong.[/QUOTE]
So what if they sold that much, like I already said N'SYNC and Backstreet Boys sold over 20 million during thier carrer, are those 20 million people right to? No, they just have an oppinion.
[QUOTE=Willay]Face the facts: Angus young the greatest guitarist, stage presencewise, ever. Malcolm Young is the greatest Rhythym guitarist of all time, and is underrated.[/QUOTE]
1.Angus has some good solos reuses them so much that he hardly has any originality anymore.
2.Anyone who has sence of time and a big amp can be just as good as Malcolm, it's not that hard.

[QUOTE=Willay]AC/DC has been able to stay together for thirty years, through the death of possibly the greatest frontman of all time, and release 17 albums. And I can say, without any doubt, that you have not listened to too many AC/DC songs. I know this because you say that all AC/DC songs sound the same. That's only true if you listen to a couple of them without paying attention.[/QUOTE]
Two of which are live albums but that's besides the point. Just wondering do you know what Angus said in a reply in a interview when the interviewer said, "You have 16 albums that sound the same, what do you think about that", he said, "we have 16 albums that sound the same". Just so you know he even thinks that he has albums that sound the same.

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]^^How is "Let There Be Rock" the movie, I heard it's good.[/QUOTE]

Oh, it is. Haha during one moment Angus breaks a string right before the solo (in Whole Lotta Rosie) so he runs backstage to get a new guitar and comes out. It's out of tune so he tunes it while playing the solo. It's just stuff like that that makes it seem like an up close concert, very personal.

P.S. This guy is right, he knows what Ac/dc is about. It's fine you liek them, just don't make stupid outragous claims plz

[QUOTE=thunderzstruck]You're an idiot, I'm sorry. But out of just about every music genre ac/dc is one of the worst songwriters. They never try anything new and stick to verse, chorus cliches.
Just because someone is popular doesn't mean it took talent to make. I could write a one note song with just hitting one note and maybe could make milliions. It's all about appeal. Ac/dc just happened to come along when everyone wanted stadium anthems or 4 minutes rock hits, that's it.

But whatever, I'm done.[/QUOTE]

You're a typical little kid who must resort to namecalling when proven wrong.

And if you honestly believe that crap about writing a "one note song" and "maybe could make millions"---then you're a bigger idiot than I'll ever be.

If selling 66 million records, selling out concert venues year after year, having millions of fans and being multi-millionaires doesn't take any talent---then quit talking trash and do it!

What're you waiting for? Write that one note song and let us know how well it sells. :p

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]The backstreet Boys, N'Sync, Britney Spears all sold millions upon millions of albums, and they have very very little talent. But maybe they have a talent to sell records, if that is a talent.

Which self-proclamed "music experts" are you talking about. Also if you know anything about AC/DC then you know that they don't make music to make money, They make music to do it for themselves they don't give a flying **** about being popular, they even said they were trying to go back in a way when they made during the Period betwen FTATR and TRE when they were huge stars.[/QUOTE]

As usual, you're unable to comprehend even the most basic things.

Performers like Britney Spears WRITE VIRTUALLY NONE of the songs they sing.

AC/DC created their OWN music. They didn't rely on music industry songwriters for their songs.

Which makes their success even MORE impressive---they did it on their own! Which PROVES yet again that they have songwriting talent.

And we're already well aware that they don't make music to make money or be popular, so how about telling us something we don't already know.

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]So what if they sold that much, like I already said N'SYNC and Backstreet Boys sold over 20 million during thier carrer, are those 20 million people right to? No, they just have an oppinion.[/QUOTE]

The huge difference being that N'Sync and the Backstreet Boys write very little if any of their own music, and the stuff they sing is MAINSTREAM POP---geared specifically to sell to the masses.

AC/DC plays blistering HARD ROCK, that's definitely not geared toward the masses.

Yet they STILL SOLD TENS OF MILLIONS more records than N'Sync and the BB's, which makes AC/DC's incredible career even MORE impressive.

The reason AC/DC is popular because it is simple and catchy, that is what the mainstream wants, simple as that.

[QUOTE=Apocalyptic Raids]Hey Pennywise, about your question in the other thread.

Often the Australian versions of some AC/DC albums have slightly different track listings than the international versions.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, cheers. I think I've figuered it all out, except that I seem to have two non-live versions of Touch Too Much... One version goes for 8½ minutes, the other for 4½ minutes. Both definitely seem like they are studio-recorded. The 4½ minute one says is from Highway (I was given Highway as a bunch of mp3s by a friend), so I'm not sure where the 8½ minute song comes from, maybe it's a version of it from a different release.

[QUOTE=Music Man]The huge difference being that N'Sync and the Backstreet Boys write very little if any of their own music, and the stuff they sing is MAINSTREAM POP---geared specifically to sell to the masses.

AC/DC plays blistering HARD ROCK, that's definitely not geared toward the masses.

Yet they STILL SOLD TENS OF MILLIONS more records than N'Sync and the BB's, which makes AC/DC's incredible career even MORE impressive.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=rippa32]The reason AC/DC is popular because it is simple and catchy, that is what the mainstream wants, simple as that.[/QUOTE]


Amen brotha,
The masses just want big choruses and 4 minute songs. Ac/dc does that quite well.

all the popular bands whih you hear on the radio are rubbish but all people like is stupid catchy beats

[QUOTE=Music Man]What're you waiting for? Write that one note song and let us know how well it sells. :p[/QUOTE]

Tenacious D pulled it off quite well already :P

[QUOTE=Music Man][B]You're a typical little kid[/B] who must resort to namecalling when proven wrong.[/QUOTE]
I guess you do too.

[QUOTE=Music Man]As usual, you're unable to comprehend even the most basic things.
Performers like Britney Spears WRITE VIRTUALLY NONE of the songs they sing.
AC/DC created their OWN music. They didn't rely on music industry songwriters for their songs.
Which makes their success even MORE impressive---they did it on their own! Which PROVES yet again that they have songwriting talent.
And we're already well aware that they don't make music to make money or be popular, so how about telling us something we don't already know.[/QUOTE]
The argument was that AC/DC had a "talent to produce popular music" I was merely saying that Britney Spears had a that same "talent".

[QUOTE=Music Man]The huge difference being that N'Sync and the Backstreet Boys write very little if any of their own music, and the stuff they sing is MAINSTREAM POP---geared specifically to sell to the masses.
AC/DC plays blistering HARD ROCK, that's definitely not geared toward the masses.
Yet they STILL SOLD TENS OF MILLIONS more records than N'Sync and the BB's, which makes AC/DC's incredible career even MORE impressive.[/QUOTE]
Once again your argument was that AC/DC had a "talent to produce popular music" and I wwas pointing out that BB's and N'SYNC had the same "talent".

[QUOTE=thunderzstruck]Tenacious D pulled it off quite well already :P[/QUOTE]

C'mon, big guy. You could make a fortune, rather than wasting your time talking trash on this forum.

Admit it, dude. When it comes to music, you can't write ANYTHING that anybody would buy.

"The argument was that AC/DC had a "talent to produce popular music" I was merely saying that Britney Spears had a that same "talent"."--Drunken Viking

>>You once again prove your ignorance and inability to read. I already explained the enormous difference between AC/DC and Britney Spears--AC/DC WRITES VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEIR OWN MUSIC. Britney Spears can't write squat, she can only sing what others write.

>>So there's a HUGE difference between AC/DC, who can CREATE THEIR OWN MUSIC--and Britney Spears who hasn't created anything, she can only sing other people's songs.

>>So Britney DOESN'T have the "same talent" as AC/DC. You're proven wrong once again.


"Once again your argument was that AC/DC had a "talent to produce popular music" and I wwas pointing out that BB's and N'SYNC had the same "talent"."--Drunken Viking

>>You're proven wrong yet again. The BB's and N'Sync are in the same boat as Britney--they write virtually none of their own music. They can't create jack musically.

>>AC/DC creates their own music, and are the number five band ALL-TIME in record sales.

>>So the BB's and N'Sync DON'T have the same "talent".

>>Keep trying. According to the law of averages, you're bound to eventually get something right. But so far, you're batting ZERO in this thread.

[QUOTE=rippa32]The reason AC/DC is popular because it is simple and catchy, that is what the mainstream wants, simple as that.[/QUOTE]

AC/DC has never been a "mainstream" music band. "Mainstream" music is pop geared toward the masses. When AC/DC first came on the scene, disco groups like the Bee Gees were a good example of mainstream pop.

AC/DC's brand of raunchy hard rock was never considered "mainstream", back then or now. Most of the "mainstream" kids HATED groups like AC/DC.

Okat maybe mainstream was the wrong word, but you still get my point don't you?

wow, 91 pages....

Yea I know AC/DC are not overly talented, but they perform and put on a pretty good show. I mean,they played music cause they liked it, not because they thought they were amazing musicians.

I listen to certain songs because they help me get pumped up for hockey(plus other rock bands.) which is a big thing for me.

Thunderstruck, Back in Black, Hells Bells, Shoot to Thrill are good hockey tunes as well as some others but I can't remember them all.(I had all 19 albums, but I just ripped them and put my favorite ones on an MP3 CD)

AC/DC is good for beginner musicians since you should be able to play there songs. It helps you work on rythym and timing. Not too mention the little things it takes to be good.

Well, that's my first post and two centd worth...I guess.

I'm Australian so its basically a law over here to be an accadacca fan! when i started playing guitar i learnt ac/dc's riffs, simple yet hard hitting...less can be more ay?

[QUOTE=Tyrannicide]

AC/DC is good for beginner musicians since you should be able to play there songs. It helps you work on rythym and timing. Not too mention the little things it takes to be good.QUOTE]

great point. the first solo i ever learned was you shook me all night long.

I think that AC/DC are an excellent band, but the Bon Scott era is better than the Brian Johnson, who is by no means a bad singer. Angus Young does have a talent, his music may not be as elaborate as that of Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd etc. but he still has made a hell of a lot of money made from making excellent music, and like someone else said earlier if you had 17 and counting albums, then you would begin to repeat yourself too. Other than that, absolutely ace band! :thumb: