[QUOTE=circlethedrain]I hate bob rock soooo much. They should get rid of him because if they screw up another album this will be their last.[/QUOTE]

I also dislike bob rock. But he doesnt deserve ALL the blame for there recent albums sucking. The only reason he gets so much sh!t is because the MEtallica fans dont want to say Metallica sucks they put out a bad album, they just want to say Bob Rock sucks. They also want to think that Metallica can still make another amazing album, so they blame it on Rock.

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.

You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.

When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.

'Tallica Fanboy.[/QUOTE]
yes but im talking about actual playing skill,kirk covered mustaines solos perfectly,now,why does everyone think dave is better?because he was the original?so what,dave has never done anything that is faster than hammets work,and hammet has never done anything that is better than daves work.im talkin about sheer skill on the guitar,now answer me that
megadeth fanboy

[QUOTE=FlyingPaul_83]They're not recording with bob rock? :confused:[/QUOTE]


Yes they are recording with bob rock, someone made up an April fools joke that the band had fired him though...I think bob rock is a good producer personally, I have saw him fill in for bassists, hes pretty good, and the music was not chose by bob, it was written by the band, all he does is mix the sound, and input ideas here and there... If he was really that bad Metallica would have fired him years ago, Besides they wanted him to be there new bassist anyway, but he said no!

Also, I have never thought Mustain was better than kirk, he was/will never be as creative as Kirk, Also kirk is about as fast as you can get, and besides its not speed that counts in a solo anyway, its quality and that does not come with speed!

Originally Posted by ThrashMaster27
Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.

You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.

When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.

'Tallica Fanboy.

Firstly of all, Mustain better than Kirk bull ****!!!
Kirks solos accually get pretty **** high in solo listings and he gets the credit he deserves for his work...
Whats this about him not being able to write a riff to save his life??? Obviously i must have been mistaken when i listened to each album :rolleyes: Silly me thought there was riffs on them, Oh well i guess i have been confused for the past 23 years.. You need to look in the mirror, then slap yourself silly till you knock some sense into yourself, Megadeth fanboy....

p.s Mustain = Metallica reject :lol:
Another P.S = I got pwnd by the swear filter :lol:

I think Dave is a better guitar player technically, but I think Kirk's solos fit the songs better. Like Dave's solos are crazy fast and incredble technically, but Kirk's seem more melodic and rhythmic as well as most righteous shredding

You two are actling like children.

IMO Dave is better, but that isn't saying Kirk is a bad guitarist. He's good. But come on, obviously you two have different opinions that will never change.

and if dave was more creative than kirk why didnt he sell 90 million albums like metallica?he only has like 15 million sold

[QUOTE=willis2441]and if dave was more creative than kirk why didnt he sell 90 million albums like metallica?he only has like 15 million sold[/QUOTE]

The whole album sales thing is kinda bogus. Limp Bizkit sold more than Megadeth. Are you going to be the guy who says Limp Bizkit is better than Megadeth? I'd rather hang myself.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]The whole album sales thing is kinda bogus. Limp Bizkit sold more than Megadeth. Are you going to be the guy who says Limp Bizkit is better than Megadeth? I'd rather hang myself.[/QUOTE]
shut the [SIZE=2]f[/SIZE]uck up

[QUOTE=willis2441]shut the [SIZE=2]f[/SIZE]uck up[/QUOTE]

just cause he's right doesn't mean you can be a jerk off

[QUOTE=Rasta Rockerstat3]just cause he's right doesn't mean you can be a jerk off[/QUOTE]
hes saying that im saying that limp bizkit is better than megadeth,did i say that?no.but he made it look like i said that,so hes basically putting words in my mouth

[QUOTE=willis2441]shut the [SIZE=2]f[/SIZE]uck up[/QUOTE]

Wow, did I tell you to shut the **** up like a total jackass? Don't get so offended. If your going to act like that whenever someone doesn't agree with what you say, be prepared to live a lonely life.

I was just saying album sales differ for different reasons than quality of music. Different labels can promote differently, some may advertise more than others, etc...

[QUOTE=willis2441]hes saying that im saying that limp bizkit is better than megadeth,did i say that?no.but he made it look like i said that,so hes basically putting words in my mouth[/QUOTE]

I didn't say that at all. I was reminding you that what you said wasn't true in every case. Your putting words IN MY mouth.

ok back to the subject kirk and dave are equal at guitar IMO

Lets just end the argument here guys, lets talk rationally because a mod will already be un-happy with the above posts and may even temp ban! I would edit or delete your posts, and speak rationally, opinions are subjective, NOT objective, I like kirk more than dave, You dont, whats the big deal?? Its my opinion and no-one can blame be for having that opinion.. Its just mine, and your opinions are just yours....

I would say Dave only because he is a better riffwriter and songwriter than Kirk. Solo wise, I think Kirk has the edge.

[quote]hes saying that im saying that limp bizkit is better than megadeth,did i say that?no.but he made it look like i said that,so hes basically putting words in my mouth[/quote]

Hes citing Megadeth and Limp Bizkit's sales as an example of how a (crappy) band can sell more albums than an amazing one..

[b]EDIT:[/b] Is this thread going really fast, or am I just really slow :confused:

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]I would say Dave only because he is a better riffwriter and songwriter than Kirk. Solo wise, I think Kirk has the edge.[/QUOTE]
I agree.

[QUOTE=willis2441]and if dave was more creative than kirk why didnt he sell 90 million albums like metallica?he only has like 15 million sold[/QUOTE]

Dont forget metallica has james, and megadeth doesn't. James and Lars are the reason why metallica is successful. They're not the best, but they know their way around. Metallica would have been this successful or maybe a little less (but still far more successful than megadeth) with almost any guitarist that isn't a bad soloist. I like kirk more than megadeth, but that's because I dont like megadeth due to vocals which I dislike. Im sure I'd like dave's solos as well if I listened to megadeth, but really, reason I listen to metallica is all of them and not just kirk. And I like james > kirk anyways. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]The whole album sales thing is kinda bogus. Limp Bizkit sold more than Megadeth. Are you going to be the guy who says Limp Bizkit is better than Megadeth? I'd rather hang myself.[/QUOTE]

Limp Bizkit are totally different genre. That's like comparing Britney spears, eminem, etc. to blind guardian, dragonforce, and iron maiden's record sales. Obviously, britney spears and eminem sold more than those. Limp Bizkit are pop/nu metal, and they're on tv more than some pop genre stars.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]
Limp Bizkit are totally different genre. That's like comparing Britney spears, eminem, etc. to blind guardian, dragonforce, and iron maiden's record sales. Obviously, britney spears and eminem sold more than those. Limp Bizkit are pop/nu metal, and they're on tv more than some pop genre stars.[/QUOTE]

Okay, put it this way:

If Limp Bizkit put out another record that somehow become an 80s stlye thrash record, it would still sell more, because they are Limp Bizkit and get more publicity. Same goes for Metallica. They get tons more publicity than Megadeth.

But if ur talking straight up guitar skill

Kirk=Dave

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]Okay, put it this way:

If Limp Bizkit put out another record that somehow become an 80s stlye thrash record, it would still sell more, because they are Limp Bizkit and get more publicity. Same goes for Metallica. They get tons more publicity than Megadeth.[/QUOTE]

Don't you think Dave wants more publicity?

Yeah, but the best he can do is run outside and yell "MEGADETH!" at the top of his lungs. The record labels handle the publicity differently. That's what I was trying to get at.


[quote=R. Blythe]
But if ur talking straight up guitar skill

Kirk=Dave
[/quote]

That's probably true, I wouldn't know. I don't know guitars very well.

God, I'm staying out of this thread. It's full of morons that have evidently only heard about one ****ing Megadeth album.

Kirk is not more skilled than Dave. Dave HAS done faster solos that Kirk. LarsAgi007, you're perhaps that more ignorant bastard ever, Dave is not a Metallica reject. You just think how much he contributed to their early success and shut your face.

*Doesn't care*

Grow up, guys. Not everyone can be the best, accept it. Neither of them live up to the truly greatest guitar players. Kirk pwns Dave in some departments, and vice versa. The fact that Kirk doesn't do riffs all too well is countered by James' riff writing ability. That's what part of being in a band is about - being able to play off each other's strengths and weaknesses to overcome problems and make kickarse music. It just so happens, Megadeth don't have the strength of Metallica in the way that they aren't in the public eye, they don't have Rock producing (like it or not, his producing skills are top notch. The band wanted St Anger to sound that way, and he produced it to reflect that), they don't have as big a push from the record labels, the business sense of James and Lars (they run Metallica as a business too, y'know...).


If you can't appreciate different bands, then don't listen to them. If you like both Megadeth and Metallica, great! Just agree to disagree, before someone bans you quite severely.

And don't come into Metallica threads saying how they suck, and 'Deth are better. It will only end in tears like this.

So, can we leave that discussion? Cheers.

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.

You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.

When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.

'Tallica Fanboy.[/QUOTE]

Exactly right, I would like to expand this a bit. Hammett does not write ****en riffs (With the exception of Enter Sandman, and man, that's a great example of Metal gone wrong), he is a lead guitarist who writes the solos, and they're not even that good (Well since Master they have been pretty bad).

[QUOTE=willis2441]yes but im talking about actual playing skill,kirk covered mustaines solos perfectly,now,why does everyone think dave is better?because he was the original?so what,dave has never done anything that is faster than hammets work,and hammet has never done anything that is better than daves work.im talkin about sheer skill on the guitar,now answer me that
megadeth fanboy[/QUOTE]
Mustaine plays ****en fast, you obviously don't listen to much Megadeth, some of Megadeth's insanely fast solos are just Mustaine having fun, the guy plays solos while singing, he's actually a pretty **** good vocalist too, sure he has a weird sound, but he can keep note. (A really good example of this in their song Back in The Day, at about the 1:05 mark, listen to Mustaine sing and Poland comes in over the top with a solo, I really like Mustaine's voice, but HATED it when I first heard Megadeth, so I understand where some of you are coming from, it's just a really weird sound, you won't get it anywhere else, so it's unique, it definately adds something to the music too.)
Mustaine is self-taught, I see people idolising Kirk, you should really look more at Mustaine.

As far as technical skill go, in my opinion, Megadeth > Metallica.
As far as writing go, Metallica are a better all-around (well, anything before and including Master, anything after is ****) band, but that's not to say Megadeth can't write good songs.

I like both bands equally, but I respect Mustaine alot, he is truly a great artist.
Metallica just woke him up one morning, and gave him a bus ticket home, that's not cool. Metallica are assholes. (But did write some good music).

[QUOTE=Chu]Exactly right, I would like to expand this a bit. Hammett does not write ****en riffs (With the exception of Enter Sandman, and man, that's a great example of Metal gone wrong), he is a lead guitarist who writes the solos, and they're not even that good (Well since Master they have been pretty bad).


Mustaine plays ****en fast, you obviously don't listen to much Megadeth, some of Megadeth's insanely fast solos are just Mustaine having fun, the guy plays solos while singing, he's actually a pretty **** good vocalist too, sure he has a weird sound, but he can keep note. (A really good example of this in their song Back in The Day, at about the 1:05 mark, listen to Mustaine sing and Poland comes in over the top with a solo, I really like Mustaine's voice, but HATED it when I first heard Megadeth, so I understand where some of you are coming from, it's just a really weird sound, you won't get it anywhere else, so it's unique, it definately adds something to the music too.)
Mustaine is self-taught, I see people idolising Kirk, you should really look more at Mustaine.

As far as technical skill go, in my opinion, Megadeth > Metallica.
As far as writing go, Metallica are a better all-around (well, anything before and including Master, anything after is ****) band, but that's not to say Megadeth can't write good songs.

I like both bands equally, but I respect Mustaine alot, he is truly a great artist.
Metallica just woke him up one morning, and gave him a bus ticket home, that's not cool. Metallica are assholes. (But did write some good music).[/QUOTE]

i have respect for mustain becuase i read somewhere that he slept on his hand one night, and woke up and the docter said he would never be able to play guitar again, he would lose 80% of useage of his hand. but he took lessons and learned guitar basically all over again. and came out with a new record. the system has failed.

[QUOTE=Chu]Exactly right, I would like to expand this a bit. Hammett does not write ****en riffs (With the exception of Enter Sandman, and man, that's a great example of Metal gone wrong), he is a lead guitarist who writes the solos, and they're not even that good (Well since Master they have been pretty bad).


Mustaine plays ****en fast, you obviously don't listen to much Megadeth, some of Megadeth's insanely fast solos are just Mustaine having fun, the guy plays solos while singing, he's actually a pretty **** good vocalist too, sure he has a weird sound, but he can keep note. (A really good example of this in their song Back in The Day, at about the 1:05 mark, listen to Mustaine sing and Poland comes in over the top with a solo, I really like Mustaine's voice, but HATED it when I first heard Megadeth, so I understand where some of you are coming from, it's just a really weird sound, you won't get it anywhere else, so it's unique, it definately adds something to the music too.)
Mustaine is self-taught, I see people idolising Kirk, you should really look more at Mustaine.

As far as technical skill go, in my opinion, Megadeth > Metallica.
As far as writing go, Metallica are a better all-around (well, anything before and including Master, anything after is ****) band, but that's not to say Megadeth can't write good songs.

I like both bands equally, but I respect Mustaine alot, he is truly a great artist.
Metallica just woke him up one morning, and gave him a bus ticket home, that's not cool. Metallica are assholes. (But did write some good music).[/QUOTE]

Ok, here's the thing. I have respect for both Mustaine and Hammett. To be quite honest, Mustaine is probably a better guitarist. From what i've heard, his solos are faster. Except that's not what I think. I like Kirk Hammett more because I like his playing more. I like Kirk's solos more than I like Dave's. I don't think it takes much skill at all to thrash like Dave does. The solos I have heard sound like he puts his fingers to it all without his heart in it. I may be wrong, but on Kirk's solos, it sounds like he's playing a lot more with his heart.

Yes, James, Lars, and Cliff did a very mean thing to Dave, but it was justified. Metallica wasn't going anywhere with Dave. Metallica would not be as well off if they never fired Dave. Every Metallica fan should know that the four most famous Metallica albums would not have existed if Dave stayed in the band.

[QUOTE]Grow up, guys. Not everyone can be the best, accept it. Neither of them live up to the truly greatest guitar players. Kirk pwns Dave in some departments, and vice versa. The fact that Kirk doesn't do riffs all too well is countered by James' riff writing ability. That's what part of being in a band is about - being able to play off each other's strengths and weaknesses to overcome problems and make kickarse music. It just so happens, Megadeth don't have the strength of Metallica in the way that they aren't in the public eye, they don't have Rock producing (like it or not, his producing skills are top notch. The band wanted St Anger to sound that way, and he produced it to reflect that), they don't have as big a push from the record labels, the business sense of James and Lars (they run Metallica as a business too, y'know...).[/QUOTE]

You are exactly right. Just because Kirk isn't such a great riff writer (even though he wrote one of the top ten riffs in the past century according to Guitar Magazine and Guitar One) the riffs are james' specialty. Kirk is a lead guitarist. Metallica wants what Metallica wants. Metallica put out Load, Reload, and St Anger the way they wanted to. So considering we're in the OFFICIAL METALLICA THREAD can we drop Mustaine? Metallica did it 22 years ago, can we do it now?

They are two different bands. Please remember that you probably would not have heard of Metallica if Kirk never showed up. Also remember there would be no Megadeth. Just appreciate both

OK, enough of this Hammett vs. Mustaine crap, I think everyone's getting sick of it, they're both equal IMO, Mustaine technically and Hammett soulfully, now as gocaps said, please can we drop it?

Change of topic - new Metallica album...

[QUOTE=metalcritter666]OK, enough of this Hammett vs. Mustaine crap, I think everyone's getting sick of it, they're both equal IMO, Mustaine technically and Hammett soulfully, now as gocaps said, please can we drop it?

Change of topic - new Metallica album...[/QUOTE]
now;
Hammett vs. Scott Ian :p

[QUOTE=metalcritter666]OK, enough of this Hammett vs. Mustaine crap, I think everyone's getting sick of it, they're both equal IMO, Mustaine technically and Hammett soulfully, now as gocaps said, please can we drop it?

Change of topic - new Metallica album...[/QUOTE]

so when do you think its coming out? i'll say it comes out early '06 and they start touring fall '06 until winter '07. sounds good ot me