At the Tool Army there's some hype about this:

[url]http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/1001186/Salival/Product.html[/url]

That'd be pretty sweet.

Re-release? Urgh.

that would be amazing if they re-released salival + the DVD. I missed the DVD the first time around

I'd get it. I have the vhs, which was actually signed my Maynard. Wouldn't mind the dvd though.

Tool are such commercial whores.

care to explain you basis for such an absurd claim?

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]care to explain you basis for such an absurd claim?[/QUOTE]


Are you serious? Everything they do is about building a marketable image and they're cashing in big time.

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]Are you serious? Everything they do is about building a marketable image and they're cashing in big time.[/QUOTE]


o, so really its a biased statement that has no backing except an "observation" that is considered subjective.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't think if Tool had to have second jobs to pay their bills, than they wouldn't have time for Tool. They have to get money somehow.

Edit: Another little buzz on Tool Army was the Digipak. Some guy said it will be sold at Tower Records. I'd have to drive a good ways for that :(

not since they started getting big (undertow to ænima days)

AJ actually does special FX for big movies

Maynard has like 3 side projects.

Yeah, my point is though is they can't just drop all the things that make them money with music to make it free. That idea just doesn't work. People have this idea that musicians are so damn rich that they're set for life. The only reson they're set for life is because people will continue to invest in their music, so they plow on with it.

thats one way to look at it...


but i guarentee, after this tour, TOoL members will be set for life. Will they stop making music? I highly doubt it

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]Tool are such commercial whores.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't agree with this. Tool are quite unknown compared to mainstream acts. They are the ones cashing in and getting all the airplay. Saying that tool are commercial needs backing. Tool have commented on commercial awarness many a time, and the message they give over is that the music is what they are selling, not their faces. So if you mean commercial in a sense of publicity, you are mistaken. But, Tool in America is so much different from Tool anywhere else. Because of Tool being based in America, they get a lot more airplay and video play on MTV2 for example. But in the rest of the world(espesialy South Africa), Tool doesn't really get any attention. So apart from America, Tool are unknown to most, unless you have good taste in music.

So Tool will never be commercial whores to the full extent because they just aren't mainstream enough to make it happen. And it doesn't really fit their image, IMO.

Not to mention that Salival was a limited release. Not everyone was able to get this CD/DVD/VHS when it originally came out..

The closest a person can come to getting the CD is by paying some bastard $200 if not more. Hell, I think Tool are f u c king benevolent to re-release this this album, so I don't have to pay some fat f u c k e r an arm and a leg..!

Think of how pissed people were whenever the scalpers bought all the tickets only to sell them at unheard of prices. This was no different when the Salival album came out..

I'll feel less special if it gets re-released. I dug hard to find my copy

But its a good move, a lot of people missed out and deserve it.

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]So apart from America, Tool are unknown to most, unless you have good taste in music. [/QUOTE]
Nah, they're pretty damn well known out here (Belgium). They're playing the biggest rock festival of Belgium ([url]www.rockwerchter.be[/url]) and the biggest hall in The Netherlands, the same where such acts as David Gilmour have played in recent times.

So that was my first post in this thread. I like Tool quite a bunch. I own Aenima, Lateralus and 10 000 Days (illegal, but I'm gonna buy it once it comes out). I really like the feel of 10 000 Days, very atmospheric.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]I'll feel less special if it gets re-released. I dug hard to find my copy

But its a good move, a lot of people missed out and deserve it.[/QUOTE]

:D

I shall ask for a copy to be purchased for my birthday. Though that never seems to work these days, no reading ticket for rob :(

It was pretty funny, i went to see Panic! at the disco last night (second time, they were amazing again :D) And i was chatting to the DJ in the support act (Men Women & Children) and i mentioned i'm a pretty big tool fan. Then we had a rather long discussion on wether the leak was real or not, it just seemed wierd because his band play disco music and stuff. But it was pretty cool.

Men Women & Children rock!.. .. Even though I've only heard one song by them

Tool fans come in all shapes and sizes, and are increasing with the release getting closer. Wearing my APC shirt and my patched-up jacket (with salival patch proudly on the pocket :) ), I got no end of 'hey, a Tool fan' comments, followed by explaining about the single, leak details, etc.

You could say I was the Tool emissary today, spreading the word to the young deciples :lol:

honestly...

im starting to get disgusted by the average TOoL fan on the street that approaches me. Not because i feel im MORE of a fan, or any of that garbage...


it seems to me that later fans think they tapped this well of insane music, and assume no one else has stumbled upon the same thing, or they are some HUGE Maynard fan (which is fine) and worship him like a god

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]honestly...

im starting to get disgusted by the average TOoL fan on the street that approaches me. Not because i feel im MORE of a fan, or any of that garbage...


it seems to me that later fans think they tapped this well of insane music, and assume no one else has stumbled upon the same thing, or they are some HUGE Maynard fan (which is fine) and worship him like a god[/QUOTE]

Thankfully i've not met many like that recently, it was unberable back around 13th Step release though. Most i've talked to are simply interested in getting into Tool, or have been casual fans for a while.

It helps that Vicarious is (finally) getting UK airplay. My inbox was full of emails from friends and associates telling me they've heard it, and most had good comments on it

i was amazed/impressed to no end yesterday...


i forgot my iPOD, so my bro and I had no music at all. On the way back from dropping him off, i wanted to hear Vicarious so bad, but figured it wouldnt be played. 5 minutes after turning on the radio, BLOW!!! Vicarious is on.

I was surprised how well they cut 2 minutes out of the song, not that I condone that mind you

Cutting two minutes was probably a good idea. Vicarious has some "nothing is really happening" parts.

[QUOTE=Moses]Cutting two minutes was probably a good idea. Vicarious has some "nothing is really happening" parts.[/QUOTE]
You can really say that about any song.

Well yeah but objectively speaking... There isn't that much of a tune in alot of that song.

its just meant to build up the song...

i rather like those parts. To me, wings/wings 2 has a shizz load of that, but you know what, if they got rid of those parts, it wouldnt be nearly as good


edit : you could hardly say thats ''objectively speaking"

Well I haven't heard those songs but I have a grudge (punzorz) against the single. Just sounded like meh.

I honestly like Vicarious, and all of its parts. Saying that the song has a "nothing is going on here" part is really what the listener interprets. I'm sure Tool would tell you otherwise.

[QUOTE=Moses]Well I haven't heard those songs but I have a grudge (punzorz) against the single. Just sounded like meh.[/QUOTE]


thats fine and dandy, but dont pretend it isn't a subjective assessment


edit : vicarious & rosetta stoned are my personal top spots right now

Apparently, Maynard wants the scalpers balls cut off:

[QUOTE]THE FOLLOWING IS A MESSAGE FROM MJK
"Many people are complaining about the sold out shows. Relax. We're doing a full on tour at the end of the summer which goes almost everywhere. And in the new year, we'll go almost everywhere else. These are just a handful of warm-up dates. There's nothing much we can do to out wit the scalpers. If you have patience, just don't buy the tickets from them. just wait until August. Screw them. Believe me, if I could design a virus that would leave scalpers totally impotent, mute, and penniless, I would. Same goes for lawyers. (I have a whole different virus in mind for mini vans. More on that later.)"

(NOTE: This was already posted on the TA message board, but I'm re-posting it for non-members). [/QUOTE]

...but it's sweet to know that Tool is coming back by August! Tour here we come!

yea, i was telling people just that. When i saw APC at the giant center (hershey PA) maynard stated he would "be back soon"

Reserved my copy of the CD today. :D

What makes Salival any good?

Looks like Maynard isn't too fond of lawyers according to that statement and The Pot...

Here's a new interview:
(sorry if it has been posted already..)

[URL="http://www.beat.com.au/article.php?id=231"]Interview[/URL]

That's a good interview. "When I ask Keenan about the main differences he sees between Tool and other bands, he goes on a tangent."

Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]What makes Salival any good?[/QUOTE]

The disk full of B-sides, live tracks and covers that you probably already downloaded. And the DVD with all the pre Lateralus videos on. So a lot makes it good. Plus it looks great on your shelf

It also has a sweet booklet full of awesome art.

OmGZ ToOL is cool so lyKe ill decipher da lyrics and b smart LWALZ!

[QUOTE=Elfen Lied]OmGZ ToOL is cool so lyKe ill decipher da lyrics and b smart LWALZ![/QUOTE]

Quoted for irony of having to decipher that. Move along now, go and play in traffic


And yeah, the booklet has some great pics in it, I remember browsing through it the day I bought it while on the bus home, and getting some odd glances from people over its content