[QUOTE=The Sound of Led Smashing]I don't think J P was a thief either - he just took influences and adapted them to his music. He was a pretty darn awesome compositionalist.

I think Neil Young is the father of classic rock, actually. Or the grand-daddy.[/QUOTE]

I got so pissed off when i saw that one simpsons episode when they go to England and they're riding in a hot air balloon and Homer says "there's Jimmy Page, the biggest thief of black american music in history." I can't stand when the writers express their own opinions through the characters.

You express your opinion, why shouldn't they be aloud?

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Well, chord progressions and melodies are commonly not original. A lot of bands come up with some and don't even no that they've been used. As for chord progressions, songs usually consist of basic chords like G, D, C, A and F. It isn't bad that two artists just so happen to have G, D and C inside of their song.

But stealing a riff or phrase is a big thing. Jimmy Page did that, plus he was aware he was stealing. He took advantage of old Bluesmen who were ignorant to current copyright laws.[/QUOTE]


Are the riffs you are reffering to exactly the same? Or just similar?

It really shouldn't matter, but to my knowledge they are [I]slightly[/I] different.

I could play you "Sugar Magnolia" two different ways, but play the incorrect version on an album, is what I did wrong?

Keep in mind, Jimmy Page wasn't exactly wrong for playing an unoriginal riff. What he did was wrong because he knew that it was unoriginal, but he did it anyway.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]It really shouldn't matter, but to my knowledge they are [I]slightly[/I] different.

I could play you "Sugar Magnolia" two different ways, but play the incorrect version on an album, is what I did wrong?

Keep in mind, Jimmy Page wasn't exactly wrong for playing an unoriginal riff. What he did was wrong because he knew that it was unoriginal, but he did it anyway.[/QUOTE]

right. you speak the truth my friend. it only makes it worse when my friends are ignorant of this and tout him as the most original guitarist in history. i have some stupid friends.

[QUOTE=leppermessiah]I got so pissed off when i saw that one simpsons episode when they go to England and they're riding in a hot air balloon and Homer says "there's Jimmy Page, the biggest thief of black american music in history." I can't stand when the writers express their own opinions through the characters.[/QUOTE]

An artist using their medium to express their opinion?

Oh heavens no!

Quick! Round up Bob Dylan and put him on trial!

If you think about it, Elvis was really the one that made black music accesible for white people. He's more of a theif than Jimmy Page.

But Elvis had hip swinging action!

White people have been stealing things from black people forever. As Paul Mooney said, "If white people want something badly enough, they'll take it"

Yeah white people have taken rap and jazz as well.

[QUOTE=Sgt._Joker]classic rock= rock and roll, non of these punk rock or grunge rock bands match up to the greats all they are , r over played power chords :@[/QUOTE]
now thats not complety true, you cant judge bands just by the type of music they play, that is not what classic rock is about, i like many different types of music outside and around the area of classic rock. for example, there are a few punk bands that i like, such as the clash, the talkingheads, and the velvet underground (though they are also considered by many as classic rock)

Also if people didn't steal things from others we wouldn't have a lot of great things we do today, but the point is that usually in music when some 'steals' something from another musican, they will most likey make it better, well at least in classic rock bands.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Well, chord progressions and melodies are commonly not original. A lot of bands come up with some and don't even no that they've been used. As for chord progressions, songs usually consist of basic chords like G, D, C, A and F. It isn't bad that two artists just so happen to have G, D and C inside of their song.

But stealing a riff or phrase is a big thing. Jimmy Page did that, plus he was aware he was stealing. He took advantage of old Bluesmen who were ignorant to current copyright laws. [/QUOTE]
Taking a melody is the same as taking a riff, taking a chord progression is different though. And you seemed to have conveniently forgotten to defend the part about Dylan doing covers and ripping off unfortunate folksmen. ;)

Wasn't Dazed and Confused a Yardbirds song originally??

And doesn't Jimmy Page own the rights to the Yardbirds music or no?

I believe it is, and he may own the rights to Yardbirds music from the when he was with him, but I'm really not sure.

[QUOTE=MYR]Wasn't Dazed and Confused a Yardbirds song originally??[/quote]

Yea but think about all the blues songs they did. I Can't Quit You Baby, You Shook Me, and The Lemon Song all have riffs and lyrics from old blues songs. I think Babe I'm Gonna Leave You does too. (Most of their songs have old blues lyrics, which is the obvious part.) Personally, I don't think Page intended on stealing the riffs and marketing them as his own, but rather redoing them in his own songs and paying homage to his blues idols. I used to think he was arrogant and he did steal all that stuff, but he's a nice guy (or at least appears so in interviews and movie clips and stuff) and stealing riffs doesn't seem like something he'd do.

Because I remember that he had to buy the rights to the Yardbirds to use the name "The New Yardbirds" in Zeppelins early touring days.

Alright My All Time Fav Classic Rock Bands..
AC/DC
AeroSmith
Alice Cooper
April Wine
The Beatles
Blue Oyster Cult
Bob Dylan
Boston
Bruce Springsteen
B.T.O (Bachman Turner Overdrive)
The Cars
Cheap Trick
Cream
CCR
David Bowie
The Doors
The Eagles
ELO( Electric Light Orchestra)
Eric Clapton
Foreigner
Genesis
Jefferson Airplane
Jimi Hendrix
Joe Walsh
Kansas
Led Zeppelin
Lynyrd Skynyrd
The Moody Blues
Neil Young
Oasis
Ozzy Osbourne
Pink Floyd
Queen
Quiet Riot
The Rolling Stones
Simon & Garfunkel
Steppenwolfe
Steve Miller Band
Supertramp
Tom Petty
Van Halen
The Who
These are the classic rock bands off my iPod.

good list! :thumb:

I am intrested in Genesis but i havent heard them before. and im kinda weary of listening because i have heard Phil Collins stuff, and was wondering is it actually good?

Great list :thumb:. Not a bad band on there (according to me anyways).

only band I don't care for is AC/DC
But otherwise awesome list :cool:

[QUOTE=Disconnection Notice]White people have been stealing things from black people forever. As Paul Mooney said, "If white people want something badly enough, they'll take it"[/QUOTE]

True. Most of the great musicians that ever existed in this planet were black. In jazz we have Wes Montgomery and Miles Davis, if we take a look at the blues, we have B.B King and John Lee Hooker, in rock music Mr. Hendrix. ****, maybe that´s why I suck on guitar, :lol: , just kidding.

:confused: Am I Missing Any? ahh

They had an interesting Pink Floyd reference a few days ago on the Simpsons. The Homerpalooza episode. I forgot who it was but he was trying to make a giant pig shoot out, and homer accidentally sets it off and the pig flies off and the guy exclaims "I got that from a Pink Floyd yardsale!"

You forgot about Charlie Parker in your Jazz part. Amazing musician, he played his sax so fast that some people thought he was screwing up, but later when the ability to slow down music happened, people listened to his music slowed down and found he was actually playing perfect notes, just really fast. Also the first time he heard something he'd be able to immediately repeat it

Oh and Yeah, Genesis is worth checking out, really good soothng band

[QUOTE=MalcolmYoungRock]They had an interesting Pink Floyd reference a few days ago on the Simpsons. The Homerpalooza episode. I forgot who it was but he was trying to make a giant pig shoot out, and homer accidentally sets it off and the pig flies off and the guy exclaims "I got that from a Pink Floyd yardsale!"[/QUOTE]

yeah that was Peter Frampton saying that.

[QUOTE=Johnny B. Good]You forgot about Charlie Parker in your Jazz part. Amazing musician, he played his sax so fast that some people thought he was screwing up, but later when the ability to slow down music happened, people listened to his music slowed down and found he was actually playing perfect notes, just really fast. Also the first time he heard something he'd be able to immediately repeat it[/QUOTE]

Man, if we were to name all the great black jazz musicians that ever existed, it would take more than 820 pages to name them all :lol: ! And yeah, you´re right, Charlie Parker is a HUGE name in Jazz.

[QUOTE=Modestbob]yeah that was Peter Frampton saying that.[/QUOTE]


Thank you!

[QUOTE=MalcolmYoungRock]Wasn't Dazed and Confused a Yardbirds song originally??

And doesn't Jimmy Page own the rights to the Yardbirds music or no?[/QUOTE]

Listen to the first bar of the Yardbirds New York City Blues and compare it with the first bar of led zep's Since I have benn loving you.