argh i hate both teams

grossman is a dick

DAAAAAA B[size=2]EARS[/size].

Ditka v. God?

DITKA IS GOD!

[QUOTE=cbmartinez;14073388]To the Clinton debate, I think a bumper sticker I saw put it best:

"No one lied when Clinton died"

I'd rather have a President who balanced the budget, stimulated the economy and had a decisive foreign policy get a blowjob and lie about it, then some war hungry conservative idiot who lies and puts our troops in harm's way for oil.[/QUOTE]
come on. thats hyperbole. a decisive foreign policy? he did a pretty decent job, but he was lucky to serve at the time he did. so what should our troops be put in harms way for, if not where our national interest is concerned?
[QUOTE=whiteminority;14074354]Lieberman is a tight a[size="2"]s[/size]s prick who wants to make Death Metal and video games illegal to minors.[/QUOTE]
i didn't know about the death metal. i wouldn't have thought he even knew what death metal was. haha. but i did know about the video games. he isn't just some curmudgeon lashing out at a youth culture he doesn't understand.

there is a book, [I]on killing[/I], that deals with the psychology of killing in warfare. the army conducted a study at the end of world war II that found that 80-85% of infantrymen couldn't even bring themselves to fire at the enemy. thats how high the human resistance to taking the life of another human being is. in vietnam, that percentage went down to 5%. what changed? the training methods. the military started using operant conditioning in its training methods, probably without even realizing it.

after spending 300 pages on the psychology of killing in warfare, he ends the book with a 30 page warning. he warns that the same methods of operant conditioning the military used to turn men into killers on the battlefield are found in video games. however, military training builds in what he calls "stimulus discriminators" that ensure that soldiers only fire under authority. there are no such safeguards in video games. also, violence in movies and television can work as classical conditioning. and the author isn't just some "tight ***." he was in the army for over 20 years, was an airborn ranger, and is now a psychology professor, and that book is recommended reading for the marine corps and required reading at the fbi academy.

^ Because we agreed to it.

Actually, the way the government was set up initially is different from today. If the nation was as big as it is now and we were as technologically advanced as we are now, this nation would've been founded totally differently.

Clinton was awesome. He really kept us on our toes. You never know who he was gonna touch innapropriately next.

I really like George Bush because it seems like he's trying his damndest but he can't get the job done right. Like a perpetual Adam Sandler movie in the President's Office. To me, I feel like he actually beleives the s[COLOR="Black"]hi[/COLOR]t that comes out of his mouth, and he's pretty much Alfredo of the White House.

Some kid today in the doors to get into school walked through the metal detector, and because security was pumped up he got asked to take his coat off and walk through again. He didnt want to and started cussing out the police and head of security around here, so one officer and the security guy (probably going to be a principal to here in a few years) both tackled the kid and sprayed him with mace. SH[size=2]I[/size]TS OFF THE CHAIN.

Then my mom makes me call my dad so we can get money off of him because my mom likes to turn me into a whore so I can get money for lunch for school next week (not much at all). So i call him and give the phone to my mom and she starts motherfu[size=2]c[/size]king him and screaming how much she hates him then hands me the phone (I dont know why) and he just starts being very caustic and laughing after every sentence because Im a joke to him and then we hang up the phone and I guess my mom was mad because he wouldnt stop talking about the oxycontin hes using. SH[size=2]I[/size]TS OFF THE CHAIN.

Highlight of my day was hearing that Im playing a tiny performance for the school of a Ray Charles song with the one special education teacher. But not any old special ed teacher, this one happens to be Joe Grushecky, who won a grammy working with Springsteen and whose band should have been very famous but didnt garner the attention to match its critical praise. SH[size=2]I[/size]TS OFF THE CHAIN.

[QUOTE=I0Played0Bass;14075997]DAAAAAA B[size=2]EARS[/size].

Ditka v. God?

[B]DITKA IS GOD![/B][/QUOTE]

God Gav I love you.

[QUOTE=Matt?;14075958]argh i hate both teams

grossman is a dick[/QUOTE]

Not at all, Bellicheck (sp?) is a dick. He totally ignored Peyton who tryed to shake his hand, and then acted like a solemn bitch at the press conference.

My sisters friend claims that he was at a Denny's one night and Bathtub Shi[size=2]t[/size]ter was broke down outside and they needed to get to a show so they loaded all of their stuff into his car and then he drove them, but all they could say in english was 'George Bush is [size=2]a[/size]sshole' and 'cameltoe'.

[QUOTE=srt-4;14076770]come on. thats hyperbole. a decisive foreign policy? he did a pretty decent job, but he was lucky to serve at the time he did. so what should our troops be put in harms way for, if not where our national interest is concerned?

i didn't know about the death metal. i wouldn't have thought he even knew what death metal was. haha. but i did know about the video games. he isn't just some curmudgeon lashing out at a youth culture he doesn't understand.

there is a book, [I]on killing[/I], that deals with the psychology of killing in warfare. the army conducted a study at the end of world war II that found that 80-85% of infantrymen couldn't even bring themselves to fire at the enemy. thats how high the human resistance to taking the life of another human being is. in vietnam, that percentage went down to 5%. what changed? the training methods. the military started using operant conditioning in its training methods, probably without even realizing it.

after spending 300 pages on the psychology of killing in warfare, he ends the book with a 30 page warning. he warns that the same methods of operant conditioning the military used to turn men into killers on the battlefield are found in video games. however, military training builds in what he calls "stimulus discriminators" that ensure that soldiers only fire under authority. there are no such safeguards in video games. also, violence in movies and television can work as classical conditioning. and the author isn't just some "tight ***." he was in the army for over 20 years, was an airborn ranger, and is now a psychology professor, and that book is recommended reading for the marine corps and required reading at the fbi academy.[/QUOTE]

Dude but it's not the government's job to dictate to parents how to raise their children.

Also, he uses Cannibal Corpse as a primary example whenever he talks about death metal believing that the lyrics are not just granted rather tasteless fantasies but actual suggestions. He has said in interviews that it goes against his morals as a person to allow children to listen to such music, which is reason enough to keep him out of office because the point of government is not to establish morals for the citizentry.

Tight as[size="2"]s[/size]? Most definitely.

[QUOTE=cobert;14079749]Some kid today in the doors to get into school walked through the metal detector, and because security was pumped up he got asked to take his coat off and walk through again. He didnt want to and started cussing out the police and head of security around here, so one officer and the security guy (probably going to be a principal to here in a few years) both tackled the kid and sprayed him with mace. SH[size=2]I[/size]TS OFF THE CHAIN.

Then my mom makes me call my dad so we can get money off of him because my mom likes to turn me into a whore so I can get money for lunch for school next week (not much at all). So i call him and give the phone to my mom and she starts motherfu[size=2]c[/size]king him and screaming how much she hates him then hands me the phone (I dont know why) and he just starts being very caustic and laughing after every sentence because Im a joke to him and then we hang up the phone and I guess my mom was mad because he wouldnt stop talking about the oxycontin hes using. SH[size=2]I[/size]TS OFF THE CHAIN.

Highlight of my day was hearing that Im playing a tiny performance for the school of a Ray Charles song with the one special education teacher. But not any old special ed teacher, this one happens to be Joe Grushecky, who won a grammy working with Springsteen and whose band should have been very famous but didnt garner the attention to match its critical praise. SH[size=2]I[/size]TS OFF THE CHAIN.[/QUOTE]

So SHI[SIZE="2"]T[/SIZE]S OFF THE CHAIN in the life of Cobabe?

Sh[size=2]i[/size]t's always off the chain. People in general need to forreal forreal ITP.

Steelers have a new head coach.

Bill Maher put it great when he said the government shouldnt legislate taste. He used the censorship of the p[size=2]o[/size]rn industry at the time as an example, saying he didnt like some of those weird tapes as much as the next guy but he wouldnt try to make laws against them.

Cob are you a senior?

Junior.

[QUOTE=srt-4;14076770]come on. thats hyperbole. a decisive foreign policy? he did a pretty decent job, but he was lucky to serve at the time he did. so what should our troops be put in harms way for, if not where our national interest is concerned?[/QUOTE]

Maybe decisive isn't the best word but as far as I'm concerned his actions in Kosovo and the assassination of Sinan Al-Harithi (who was responsible for the bombing of the [I]Cole[/I]) proved that he went in, got the job done, and got out. He didn't entangle us in places where we shouldn't be. And I'm sure you're gonna through Black Hawk Down in my face but the Islamist extremists were more formidable than we could have imagined. And don't get me started on the ****ing nerve of the Republicans of saying that Clinton is responsible for 9/11 because he "let Osama and Al Qaeda go" in Somalia, Yemen (The [I]Cole[/I]), Kenya, etc. To blame Clinton for this administration's mistakes is ridiculous. When Clinton left office, he had a five point plan for cracking down on global terrorism which included freezing assets to extremist groups like Al Qaeda and assassinating Osama Bind Laden. The plan was ignored by the Bush Administration. And if you really want to start blaming preceding presidents for terrorist attacks, then George Bush Sr. is responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing and pretty the beginning of Al Qaeda's terrorist plots towards America.

[QUOTE=whiteminority;14080849]Not at all, Bellicheck (sp?) is a dick. He totally ignored Peyton who tryed to shake his hand, and then acted like a solemn bitch at the press conference.[/QUOTE]

ROFL, what was he suppose to be all cheerey? Grossman is completely full of himself and so unaware of the fact that he actually ISN'T a great quaterback.

it's completely different to be upset after losing a big game, but to be a dick after winning a game leaves a bad taste in my mouth

Black folks love Clinton. He's down.

i love clinton, am i black?

I would smoke a joint with Clinton.

You would smoke anythign with anyone.

^ Hahahahaha!

Exactly.

I have to write a poetry annalysis essay for my english final tomorrow. We could use lyrics. I'm thinking of using "Heroin" by The Velvet Underground, but I'm not sure yet. I'm also considering a Joy Division song or Xiu Xiu. I might do "Brian The Vampire". Any suggestions guys?

Gav, Bright Eyes suck.

Quit putting them in your AIM profile and acting like you're profound.

[QUOTE=whiteminority;14080899]Dude but it's not the government's job to dictate to parents how to raise their children.

Also, he uses Cannibal Corpse as a primary example whenever he talks about death metal believing that the lyrics are not just granted rather tasteless fantasies but actual suggestions. He has said in interviews that it goes against his morals as a person to allow children to listen to such music, which is reason enough to keep him out of office because the point of government is not to establish morals for the citizentry.

Tight as[size="2"]s[/size]? Most definitely.[/QUOTE]
ya, i don't think its the government's job to legislate morality either, but subject to mill's harm principle. this isn’t simply an issue of morality; this is an issue of harm to society. violent video games act as operant conditioning in the same manner as military training methods that very successfully turn civilians into killers. that’s scary. the same goes for violence in movies, and to a lesser extent music, except that its classical conditioning instead of operant. the government very much has a role in dealing with dangers to society. another way to look at it is in terms of free market economics. to save me the writing and to provide what is, i’m sure, a better explanation, i’ll just post a link to this decent explanation: [url]http://www.tutor2u.net/economics/content/topics/externalities/what_are_externalities.htm[/url]. the case of violent material is one of an externality, as the cost to society of the increased violence is not taken into account in the price of the material. its like free market economics 101 that the role of the government is to take specific action to correct market failures.

also, i really don’t see how preventing minors from purchasing mature-rated materials is interfering with parents raising their children. parents could still purchase the material for their children if they wanted the children to have it.

as far as politicians go, i think he is a pretty good one, and i agree with many of his positions. he seems to be a pretty legit guy. he follows his beliefs and appears to be above much of the partisan pettiness and corruption of washington. i personally haven’t read him say his main reason for taking the stand against violence in the media is because its against his personal beliefs. i've read him say that it is because he believes it is doing harm to kids. but if what you said is indeed the case, then i would disagree with that reasoning. hell, at the end of the day, you might be right. maybe he is a tight ***, but i still think he would be a good president.

[QUOTE=SunnyDayRealEstateAM;14083775]I have to write a poetry annalysis essay for my english final tomorrow. We could use lyrics. I'm thinking of using "Heroin" by The Velvet Underground, but I'm not sure yet. I'm also considering a Joy Division song or Xiu Xiu. I might do "Brian The Vampire". Any suggestions guys?[/QUOTE]
love will tear us apart

I would totally use any Joy Division but they don't really use any poetic elements that I can write an essay about.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez;14081003]Maybe decisive isn't the best word but as far as I'm concerned his actions in Kosovo and the assassination of Sinan Al-Harithi (who was responsible for the bombing of the [I]Cole[/I]) proved that he went in, got the job done, and got out. He didn't entangle us in places where we shouldn't be. And I'm sure you're gonna through Black Hawk Down in my face but the Islamist extremists were more formidable than we could have imagined. And don't get me started on the ****ing nerve of the Republicans of saying that Clinton is responsible for 9/11 because he "let Osama and Al Qaeda go" in Somalia, Yemen (The [I]Cole[/I]), Kenya, etc. To blame Clinton for this administration's mistakes is ridiculous. When Clinton left office, he had a five point plan for cracking down on global terrorism which included freezing assets to extremist groups like Al Qaeda and assassinating Osama Bind Laden. The plan was ignored by the Bush Administration. And if you really want to start blaming preceding presidents for terrorist attacks, then George Bush Sr. is responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing and pretty the beginning of Al Qaeda's terrorist plots towards America.[/QUOTE]
i’m not saying that you [I]are[/I], but you kind of come off as a little blinded by party politics.

i’m pretty sure the guy responsible for the cole bombing was killed after 9/11 by the bush administration as part of the war on terror. and i think i remember there being a fuss from some on the left about it being “illegal.”

and as far as not entangling us in places we shouldn’t be. well, i am going to "throw black hawk down in your face", but not because he pulled our forces out, but because we should have never been there. i really don’t understand “the islamist extremists were more formidable than we could have imagined.” the operation in somalia was a humanitarian mission. we were there to stop interference with aid deliveries to starving somalis. it had nothing to do with fighting islamists. our national interest was not concerned there, and therefore there was no reason to put our troops in harms way. the same goes for kosovo and bosnia. we should have never been there. the exact opposite of him not entangling us in places we shouldn’t have been. also, under clinton’s presidency, we had forces in iraq. so, if you say iraq (maybe the middle east as a whole? you haven’t really been clear on this) is some place we shouldn’t be, and clinton ordered operations there, how can you say he didn’t put us in places we shouldn’t have been?

i really don’t understand how you can say iraq is some place we shouldn’t have been, though. by what criteria are you determining that? by realpolitik, it most certainly is. our national well-being is very concerned in iraq. by humanitarian standards (which i reject, but you seem to embrace by your approval of kosovo, which i’ll add was undertaken without UN approval) we also should have been there, considering the actions of hussein’s regime. the fact of the matter is that the middle east was, and is, perhaps the most critical area of the world concerning our national interest, and iraq was one of the biggest issues in the region. however, i can certainly understand, and agree in some points, with criticism of and disagreement with the actions that were taken regarding iraq. but saying it is somewhere we should never have been entangled is way off base in my opinion.

you laid out a defense of clinton from an attack which you seem to have expected, but i never made. i don’t blame clinton for what happened. there is no doubt in my mind that 9/11 would have happened with any likely president instead serving clinton or bush’s term(s). the entire nation neglected terrorism. it was seen as a minor threat by civilian agencies, by the military, by elected leaders, and by the population as a whole. 9/11 is what it took for us to wake up to the threat. similarly, i think it is ridiculous to try to lay the blame on the bush administration. the idea that the bush administration was handed some perfect plan to deal with terrorism and briefed to the imminent danger that was posed to this nation and completely disregarded this and allowed 9/11 to happen is silly. neither party deserves the majority blame for what happened. there is more than enough blame to go around to everyone. what is important is moving forward and learning from and correcting our mistakes. there is more than enough work to be done in that area to keep us occupied without wasting so much effort at endless finger pointing.

man, that was a lot of typing^^^^. i guess it shows how much i like debating with you guys. haha.
[QUOTE=SunnyDayRealEstateAM;14083837]I would totally use any Joy Division but they don't really use any poetic elements that I can write an essay about.[/QUOTE]
oh. what about a thursday song?

do an indian summer song. or do a destroyer song. or a song by the knife.