[QUOTE=Futuro]First learn to read focker.


Your parents are not good. If your doing something just as bad 2 years later, how can you call your parents good?

I already stated your parents suck making your "Point" Meaningless"


I couldnt tell. Instead of drugs it is Liquor.

You said it yourself. You depended on your parents at 14. You are now making the same mistake at 16.

It is pretty clear to me....[/QUOTE]
I don't drink every day, every week, every month even. Its not something that I've become acostomed too. I don't drink the same way I used to do drugs, I drink because it makes it easier to socialize especially if your at the same level as everyone.

MAJOR difference as drinking every week just for the sake of getting drunk because you can.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Well no because I though jim meant that drinking for flavour meant something along the lines of drinking because it tastes good. I don't like drinking drinks that I make faces after I sip.[/QUOTE]

So you drink for the childish reason of getting ****ed up. Good job, you've really proved how you've grown up since your drug problem days.

[quote]I don't drink every day, every week, every month even. Its not something that I've become acostomed too. I don't drink the same way I used to do drugs, I drink because it makes it easier to socialize especially if your at the same level as everyone.

MAJOR difference as drinking every week just for the sake of getting drunk because you can.[/quote]

how exactly does it make it easier to socialize? If you need alcohol to talk to people, you have issues.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]the sad thing about that is that at 14....FOURTEEN!!!! your life was ****ed up.

You are still a fricken kid, who has hardly known much of life, if any.

If you can get ****ed at 14.........****, I don't know what else to say.[/QUOTE]
Well I was ****ed up because of drugs I wasn't ****ed up and turned to drugs, it was the wrong crowd I was with.

[QUOTE=Motleyguy]So you drink for the childish reason of getting ****ed up. Good job, you've really proved how you've grown up since your drug problem days.[/QUOTE]
I just said I don't drink just to get drunk. Thats just as bad or worse as drugs. I drink because it makes it easier to meet people and if being sober around drunk people is no fun.

Trust me I’ve seen everything there is pretty much, one of the best experiences I’ve had was being around the local music scene in HS. You start to see how scummy people are and it baffles me what people are capable of. I always thought you had to have something wrong with you to act that way... I still do. I can't stand that kinda stuff and when I saw what was going on I don't wanna be around or be apart of that or even be associated with it in ANYWAY. Even if I don't act in the vice that’s occurring it's still disgusting and wrong IMO. Although as a simple observer you can't really do much just sit back and watch it collapse... which is just as fun! "I enjoy entropy" just as the great George Carlin once said about the world.

Shame is a good thing and some people don't have any, people don't have any respect. People don't think about the consiqunces of their actions. They let their pressured feelings override everything and that’s why stupid things happen. Young people are retarded so are old people and it will never change. You'll always have everyone with that inner need to fit in, that need to drink, that need to smoke and dope up, that need to have sex with everyone on the block and collect more STD's then a glam rock band. Don’t make excuses for what you do either… It doesn’t work, I smoke for the flavor! I drink for the taste! I do drugs to relax... WRONG you do it because you’re insecure you wanna fit in with people and you can’t do it naturally yourself.

Think about what you’re doing now, do you wanna be like this ^^? Think about it long and hard man don't be a moron. I stopped talking to almost everyone I know because of that it just gets old. The way they talk, the way they make comments, the way they look at people, the things they do. Their all scum 1000% and not even the best fake smile can hide that.

thanks for proving my point further

to fokker

[QUOTE=Epiphender]How are you irresponsible? When you were fourteen years old, your mom had to take away your drugs.

Sounds to me like you were pretty irresponsible.[/QUOTE]
Key word, were pretty irresponsible. I know I'm not the most repsonsible person on earth or not even close but I have a good amount of responsibility.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]I just said I don't drink just to get drunk. Thats just as bad or worse as drugs. I drink because it makes it easier to meet people and if being sober around drunk people is no fun.[/QUOTE]

sorry, I think you missed my edit. Go back and check it out, then read what Jim said a few more times, until it sinks in.

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]Trust me I’ve seen everything there is pretty much, one of the best experiences I’ve had was being around the local music scene in HS. You start to see how scummy people are and it baffles me what people are capable of. I always thought you had to have something wrong with you to act that way... I still do. I can't stand that kinda stuff and when I saw what was going on I don't wanna be around or be apart of that or even be associated with it in ANYWAY. Even if I don't act in the vice that’s occurring it's still disgusting and wrong IMO. Although as a simple observer you can't really do much just sit back and watch it collapse... which is just as fun! "I enjoy entropy" just as the great George Carlin once said about the world.

Shame is a good thing and some people don't have any, people don't have any respect. People don't think about the consiqunces of their actions. They let their pressured feelings override everything and that’s why stupid things happen. Young people are retarded so are old people and it will never change. You'll always have everyone with that inner need to fit in, that need to drink, that need to smoke and dope up, that need to have sex with everyone on the block and collect more STD's then a glam rock band. Don’t make excuses for what you do either… It doesn’t work, I smoke for the flavor! I drink for the taste! I do drugs to relax... [B]WRONG you do it because you’re insecure you wanna fit in with people and you can’t do it naturally yourself.[/B]

Think about what you’re doing now, do you wanna be like this ^^? Think about it long and hard man don't be a moron. I stopped talking to almost everyone I know because of that it just gets old. The way they talk, the way they make comments, the way they look at people, the things they do. Their all scum 1000% and not even the best fake smile can hide that.[/QUOTE]
Your probably right seeing as how you have more knowledge then me but that I must disagree with. Again, I don't drink as a routine and ALL of my friends smoke cigarettes I don't. If I wanted to fit in I would. Listen, I'm trying to better myself as a person, so you don't really have to talk to me in an offensive way(like other posts). Drinking to fit in is half right. I drink to fit in in the sense that drinking to be on the same level as everyone is fun(not an exuse ooh being drunk is fun, it really is) but I don't drink just to be accept and cool, I just find that being at a party where everyone is drunk(or most) and you aren't isn't all that fun.

[QUOTE]You'll always have everyone with that inner need to fit in, that need to drink, that need to smoke
[/QUOTE]

I guess im a bad person too for smoking pot. Hypocrisy?

After reading these a couple of times I figured it out. I might be able to agree with you but if you guys are [I]a[/I]sses about it(motly) of course I'm not going to listen its human nature to go defend yourself against accusatory statements.
I see jims point and I agree. As for motly, I think you should look at yourself before looking at others.

[QUOTE=Futuro]I guess im a bad person too for smoking pot. Hypocrisy?[/QUOTE]
Your not a bad person if you do a bad thing, smoking pot is bad though.

yeah so drugs are cool

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Key word, were pretty irresponsible. I know I'm not the most repsonsible person on earth or not even close but I have a good amount of responsibility.[/QUOTE]

Alright if you don't want to believe what I say and the examples I use, why don't you give it a try. Exemplify this responsibility you claim to have.

if you are relying on chemicals to make you a better person........

wow....where to start with that.....

you HAVE no person, if you catch my drift

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]if you are relying on chemicals to make you a better person........

wow....where to start with that.....

you HAVE no person, if you catch my drift[/QUOTE]
I'm not relying on chemicals. If I was I'd be getting drunk as a routine. Where did I say that I'm relying on chemicals anyway?

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Your not a bad person if you do a bad thing, smoking pot is bad though.[/QUOTE]
HAHAHA

Jesus!!!!!!!

What do you think the beer can opens itself? The coke magicly finds it's way to your nose? Christ man... Just stick your head in the microwave and do us all a favor!

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]HAHAHA

Jesus!!!!!!!

What do you think the beer can opens itself? The coke magicly finds it's way to your nose? Christ man... Just stick your head in the microwave and do us all a favor![/QUOTE]
Your telling me the man who steals bread for his starving family is a bad person?

Hes doing a bad thing but to him morally its correct. If your morals are bad your probably bad.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]After reading these a couple of times I figured it out. I might be able to agree with you but if you guys are [I]a[/I]sses about it(motly) of course I'm not going to listen its human nature to go defend yourself against accusatory statements.
I see jims point and I agree. As for motly, I think you should look at yourself before looking at others.[/QUOTE]

why exactly should I look at myself? I actually happen to think about the way I live my life quite often, and decide to make changes when changes are due, and stuff like that. I'm simply judging you, yes, judging you, on the fact that you believe it is alright to take advantage and hook up with an intoxicated girl. I don't that is right on any level, and I think you need to grow the **** up.

[QUOTE=Epiphender]Alright if you don't want to believe what I say and the examples I use, why don't you give it a try. Exemplify this responsibility you claim to have.[/QUOTE]

Come on now we're all waiting.

Oh wait, you can't do it, can you?

[QUOTE]Your telling me the man who steals bread for his starving family is a bad person?
[/QUOTE]:lol: Technically he could get a job... The Automotive business needs workers. People dont want to work anyway. We went through 3 shop cleaners in a year.

[QUOTE]
Come on now we're all waiting.

Oh wait, you can't do it, can you?[/QUOTE] High 5's Epi for stump question.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Your telling me the man who steals bread for his starving family is a bad person?

Hes doing a bad thing but to him morally its correct. If your morals are bad your probably bad.[/QUOTE]

wow dude, that comparison isn't even logical. Doing drugs is a bad decision, and there is no logical reason to do them. Stealing food to feed your family...COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION...that's what we call a fallacy (you'll learn about it in english class when you get older).

Hahaha he can't.

And last time I checked you didnt need beer and drugs to stay alive... Idiot.

[QUOTE=Epiphender]Can't do it, can you?[/QUOTE]
Yes, and again I ask why you act accusatory, after reading a post where I asked not too. I have a job, go to school and get pretty good grades(84 avg last term) while mainting a good social life, not to mention upsessing over an instrument while doing these. I sometimes let myself go but I'm only human I slip once in a while. I'm only going to grow as a person, so I think I'm doing alright.

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]Hahaha he can't.

And last time I checked you didnt need beer and drugs to stay alive... Idiot.[/QUOTE]
^

When did I say that I need beer and drugs to stay alive. Stop putting words into my mouth, I'm not doing that to you, I'm sure you wouldn't like it, and if you've had it done to you you know how much damage it can cause.

[QUOTE]And last time I checked you didnt need beer and drugs to stay alive... Idiot.[/QUOTE] You can call me an idiot. But I will keep on tokin.

You compared it to stealing food to stay alive

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]^

When did I say that I need beer and drugs to stay alive. Stop putting words into my mouth, I'm not doing that to you, I'm sure you wouldn't like it, and if you've had it done to you you know how much damage it can cause.[/QUOTE]

He isn't. He's simply implying that your comparison was ridiculous. As I said, it was a fallacy.

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]Hahaha he can't.

And last time I checked you didnt need beer and drugs to stay alive... Idiot.[/QUOTE]

What!?!??! Yes you do!!

[img]http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/2306/untitled1ic.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Motleyguy]wow dude, that comparison isn't even logical. Doing drugs is a bad decision, and there is no logical reason to do them. Stealing food to feed your family...COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION...that's what we call a fallacy (you'll learn about it in english class when you get older).[/QUOTE]
First the drugs was about faith, I was saying that he isn't a bad person because he chooses to do something wrong. Going against your morals or having bad morals makes you a bad person. It wasn't about the accual actions but the reasons behind them. A hypocrite is someone who goes against his moral values, if you choose to do pot even if you know its bad you aren't a hypocrite, if you try to quit pot and you can't so you still do it your a hypocrite because your morally against it but you still do it(even though your choosing to stop)

OMG I see somebodys old avatar! The chicken thing! I forget who!

[QUOTE=Epiphender]What!?!??! Yes you do!!

[img]http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/2306/untitled1ic.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Okay I haven't done drugs in 2 years and I don't get drunk off beer so your beat.

[QUOTE=Epiphender]What!?!??! Yes you do!!

[img]http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/2306/untitled1ic.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats great! Hahaha focker would probably beleive that too!

He'd print it up and show his mom! "Look maaaa! I was right all along!"

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]You compared it to stealing food to stay alive[/QUOTE]
No, I compared moral values but used that as an example.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]First the drugs was about faith, I was saying that he isn't a bad person because he chooses to do something wrong. Going against your morals or having bad morals makes you a bad person. It wasn't about the accual actions but the reasons behind them. A hypocrite is someone who goes against his moral values, if you choose to do pot even if you know its bad you aren't a hypocrite, if you try to quit pot and you can't so you still do it your a hypocrite because your morally against it but you still do it(even though your choosing to stop)[/QUOTE]

that...or you're addicted. And don't give me this "pot" isn't addictive bull****. I know alot of people who smoke up, and many who have tried to quit, none of them can. Alcoholism is the same thing, you need that feeling to be happy, to be normal even, making it an addiction.

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats great! Hahaha focker would probably beleive that too!

He'd print it up and show his mom! "Look maaaa! I was right all along!"[/QUOTE]
I disaproove drugs.
I don't drink beers.

[QUOTE=FockerTheLopper]Okay I haven't done drugs in 2 years and I don't get drunk off beer so your beat.[/QUOTE]
You must be a real cowboy eh? Only hard liquor for tough guys! :lol:

[QUOTE]And don't give me this "pot" isn't addictive bull****. I know alot of people who smoke up, and many who have tried to quit, none of them can.[/QUOTE] It is only addictive the same way masturbation is at the age of 16.

[QUOTE=Motleyguy]that...or you're addicted. And don't give me this "pot" isn't addictive bull****. I know alot of people who smoke up, and many who have tried to quit, none of them can. Alcoholism is the same thing, you need that feeling to be happy, to be normal even, making it an addiction.[/QUOTE]
No, I don't need that feeling, thats why I stress the point that it isn't a routine. Anyone can stop doing something but being addicted is having that thing inside you saying "cmon it won't hurt just do it again next time you'll stop", that doesn't happen to me exept for ice cream. If that were to happen to me, where I would say I won't drink and accually do drink I would get away from alchohol and force myself to stop.

Another thing, there are different addictions, smoking cigarettes is a chemical addiction where your body tells you, smoke one or I'm going to tremble(or something like that, withdrawl symptoms), a pot addition is strickly mental where it makes you feel good and you want more but don't "need" it.

For the record I don't smoke pot!

[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]You must be a real cowboy eh? Only hard liquor for tough guys! :lol:[/QUOTE]
I water it down, read my other posts, I don't like drinking things that makes me scrunch up my face, its not worth it.