That would be a ****ing brilliant collaboration.

I am pretty anxious for new NIN material tho, Ive already played the last two new ones to death.

I also think Reznor needs to find another bitch. You know how Dr. Dre had Snoop as his bitch for so long but then he switched it up and made Eminem his bitch? I think Reznor needs to let Marilyn Mansoe go do his thing, and give up the Saul Williams thing altogher, and just find a brand new bitch.

[QUOTE=Murdererer;17811439]heh that trannys naked[/QUOTE]

You know you like it

im more offended by the fact that Celldweller was categorized as industrial and has in turn been allowed into our thread.

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[QUOTE=Jaundice;17811500]im more offended by the fact that Celldweller was categorized as industrial and has in turn been allowed into our thread.[/QUOTE]

It is industrial though, and a great band at that. What's so bad about Klayton?

I don't know enough research to decide whether it's good or bad, but Cellddweller most definitely ins't industrial.

I'll need to do more research.

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17811441]That would be a ****ing brilliant collaboration.

I am pretty anxious for new NIN material tho, Ive already played the last two new ones to death.

I also think Reznor needs to find another bitch. You know how Dr. Dre had Snoop as his bitch for so long but then he switched it up and made Eminem his bitch? I think Reznor needs to let Marilyn Mansoe go do his thing, and give up the Saul Williams thing altogher, and just find a brand new bitch.[/QUOTE]

maybe Reznor could try not being so boring

I can't imagine any sort of complaint about Reznor as a performer. He's pretty top of the line.

idk about his performances but his music is entry level as far as industrial goes

I always found his stuff kinda patchy, where it works it is awesome though

NIN isn't entry-level industrial, because they're not indsustrial. You're bound to be disappointed when you go into things expecting something else.

I know without question if you listened to discography in its entirety youd find a pretty huge amount of songs that would totally do it for you.

Your problem, I guess, is finding them.

I could always help you out by throwing random album recs and youtube videos at you

It wouldn't be a far stretch to call NIN industrial rock. In my experience, it would seem most people get their first taste of industrial of listening to Reznor.

I've listened to [I]Pretty Hate Machine, The Downward Spiral [/I]and [I]Year Zero[/I] quite a bit and whilst all three had their moments I found them severely overrated. Amongst other stuff i've heard through friends and being constantly bombarded with live DVD's at parties I have little desire to follow up on anything else the guy has done.

I just find his work mostly tedious, idk.

Nine Inch Nails is industrial rock. But there's a huge difference between industrial rock and Industrial.

Pretty Hate Machine and Downward Spiral are really cute and all but I'd say you need the [I]Broken[/I] EP [I]The Fragile [/I]LP under your belt before you can make a real judgement.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and check those out at some point ;)

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17811578]Nine Inch Nails is industrial rock. But there's a huge difference between industrial rock and Industrial. [/QUOTE]

I do agree with this somewhat and it would seem a common misconception when EBM, coldwave and industrial metal style material is seen as the "defining" industrial sound by novices when they are really post-industrial genres.

Still, it serves as a handy umbrella term for all these varied, anal categories associated with it though.

Anything that had an influence on the records released by Industrial Records artists may be called proto-industrial if neccessary. Krautrock, New Music, Prog, etc.

Industrial music is music that was released by Industrial Records , end of story. If that label put it out then it's industrial. If they didn't, it isn't.

Post -industrial can be an umbrella term for any one or any thing trying to create new art that was heavily inspired by and borrows elements from Industrial.

The way I see it anyway.

Yeah, idk if I would call myself that much of a first wave purist.

I mean, Industrial Records was pretty much nothing but releases by Throbbing Gristle and a few select artists barely anybody remembers. Even Monte Cazazza and Cabaret Voltaire didn't release the majority of their stuff through there.

There was a huge scene happening within the continuing development of post-punk, ambient, noise and electronic music and these all somewhat overlapped. Throbbing Gristle and many of the first wave bands could be accused of not being industrial at all, by this measure.

what's everyone's favourite aidan baker album?

i've only heard scalpel and his stuff in nadja or with tim hecker, so ive started downloading 7 of his albums that looked cool/had decent ratings on RYM

Scalpel and Green & Cold are my favourites.

Lol, are you kidding me Jaundice? Celldweller's just about the most industrial band here!

[QUOTE=Meatplow;17811790]Yeah, idk if I would call myself that much of a first wave purist.

I mean, Industrial Records was pretty much nothing but releases by Throbbing Gristle and a few select artists barely anybody remembers. Even Monte Cazazza and Cabaret Voltaire didn't release the majority of their stuff through there.

There was a huge scene happening within the continuing development of post-punk, ambient, noise and electronic music and these all somewhat overlapped. Throbbing Gristle and many of the first wave bands could be accused of not being industrial at all, by this measure.[/QUOTE]It's not exactly a law but that's kind of how it goes technically when you consider that Cazazza and Orridge invented the term specifically for records being put out by their label , and have denied association with the modern standard for what's industrial.

I'd be picky about calling something industrial when it's actually industrial rock, but I'll readily apply the term industrial to releases that weren't on the IR label if they came out during the right time period and had the right sound. I'm not about to call Einsturzende Neubauten and Severed Heads post-industrial.

[QUOTE=Lucian;17812015]Lol, are you kidding me Jaundice? [B]Celldweller's just about the most industrial band here[/B]![/QUOTE]

Haven't heard the band but Foetus was mentioned in the thread so the statement is false.

[QUOTE=Ventriloquist;17812208]Haven't heard the band but Foetus was mentioned in the thread so the statement is false.[/QUOTE]


I was of course exaggerating. I haven't went through this entire thread.

Having a synth presence literally doesn't relate you to industrial in any way.

But I suppose i could listen to this celldweller and come back with some sort of diagnosis.

[QUOTE=rasputin;17811812]what's everyone's favourite aidan baker album?

i've only heard scalpel and his stuff in nadja or with tim hecker, so ive started downloading 7 of his albums that looked cool/had decent ratings on RYM[/QUOTE]

Scalpel, The Sea Swells a Bit... and Candescence are up there for me. Also his album with Tim Hecker.

I have 12 albums by the guy and I think I'm still missing more than half of his discog, haha.

[QUOTE=bloc;17812013]Speaking of genres, I still get confused. What is real industrial then? Because I know many of the people who think a band is industrial is actually industrial rock/metal.[/QUOTE]

Well, idk about "real" industrial as such (I think Alex is being a little over the top) but a lot of the first wave bands grew out of performance art collectives and were musically about dissonant tape loops, custom percussion, samples, analogue drum machines etc. Sort of a fusion of electronic, noise, post-punk and ambient influences.

Check out Throbbing Gristle's [I]The Second Annual Report[/I], Cabaret Voltaire's [I]Mix-Up[/I], SPK's [I]Information Overload Unit[/I], Thomas Leer & Robert Rental's [i]The Bridge[/i], Boyd Rice's [i]The Black Album[/i], The Worst Of Monte Cazazza and Maurizio Bianchi's [I]Mectpyo Blut[/I]. Should get you grounded in the early stuff, idk quite how much you'll like it but should be a worthwhile history lesson in any case :p

[QUOTE=Meatplow;17812607]I think Alex is being a little over the top[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://www.blastfirstpetite.com/montecazazza400.jpg[/IMG]

Can someone recommend me some poppy/upbeat stuff?

Psychic TV - [I]Trip Reset[/I]
My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult -[I] Sexplosion![/I]
Nitzer Ebb - [I]That Total Age[/I]
The Young Gods - [I]The Young Gods[/I]
A Split Second - [I]From The Inside[/I]
Die Warzau - [I]Disco Rigido[/I]
Chris & Cosey - [I]Heartbeat[/I]
Endless Shame - [I]Unspoken Words[/I]
Die Krupps - [I]Volle Kraft Voraus![/I]
The Fair Sex - [I]Demented Forms[/I]

[QUOTE=Jaundice;17812614][IMG]http://www.blastfirstpetite.com/montecazazza400.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I've never seen that photo of him before.

Haz check out the album I posted on the Links to demos.. thread. Wanna hear ur feedback. I'm looking forward to yours too Alex.

k man, I had a look at it before and was planning to download it later

will do soon

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17812703]Can someone recommend me some poppy/upbeat stuff?[/QUOTE]

Take it to the black metal thread. But in all seriousness industrial doesn't get any poppier and more upbeat than the Thrill Kill Kult album Haz rec'd. And Nine Inch Nail's first demo, [I]Purest Feeling[/I].

I'll definitely download that album tomorrow, Murat.

And Haz, you'd do well to get Cazazza's [I]Power Versus Wisdom[/I]. It's him playing some of the more post-punk oriented material from the Worst Of album live, and Chris & Cosey make an appearance or two.