[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]Schyma, mad props on the icon. That's such a good movie.[/QUOTE]
Thanx Im glad someone has seen it. :)

[QUOTE=Schyma]Thanx Im glad someone has seen it. :)[/QUOTE]

I actually rented the movie not to long ago, but in the same rent rented Garage Days, and that consumed the whole time I had them for, but I've probally listened to the sound track more times then I can count.

[QUOTE=Schyma]Thanx Im glad someone has seen it. :)[/QUOTE]

i saw it on amc or somethingthing, i wish they would play it more, cuz i dont own it

[QUOTE=Med57]I would say that [I]Please Please Me[/I] is a [B]pure pop album [/B]personally, although it does have rock moments on. I don't own [I]Help![/I] or [I]A Hard Day's Night[/I], but from all accounts I'd put them in that sort of category as well. The Beatles are very hard to classify as a band though.[/QUOTE]

by [B]todays [/B]standards, yes,except for I saw her standing there and Twist and Shout

Twist and Shout's a great song..

[QUOTE=Schyma]Thanx Im glad someone has seen it. :)[/QUOTE]
i own it. its great. jack nicholson is one of my favorite actors ever. and the soundtracks awesome.

The ending was a little messed up, personally. But that acid trip scene... crazy.

As for Please Please Me, I'd say it's a pop album by today's standards, and probably by 60's standards as well. I mean, compare The Beatles pre-66 to The Backstreet Boys... was it really all that different? I'm not talking musically, we all know they were different musically.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]The ending was a little messed up, personally. But that acid trip scene... crazy.

As for Please Please Me, I'd say it's a pop album by today's standards, and probably by 60's standards as well. I mean, compare The Beatles pre-66 to The Backstreet Boys... was it really all that different? I'm not talking musically, we all know they were different musically.[/QUOTE]
It left me with my mouth open...it was so sad. :upset:

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]The ending was a little messed up, personally. But that acid trip scene... crazy.

As for Please Please Me, I'd say it's a pop album by today's standards, and probably by 60's standards as well. I mean, compare The Beatles pre-66 to The Backstreet Boys... was it really all that different? I'm not talking musically, we all know they were different musically.[/QUOTE]

yes they were different. 1. the beatles had talent
2. the beatles weren't just created by a producer for a couple of easy hits and then dropped like a rock (the way the backstreet boys were). they were an actual band (well except ringo, who was just thrown in there by a producer, but he worked out right?)
3. while poppy, the beatles were able to create decent albums, with a number of good songs, while backstreet boys maybe had one or two "good song" per album.

I specifically said not musically speaking. All your examples are about musical difference. The Beatles had a magazine they published, were worshipped by little girls, their concerts weren't actually musical events so much as people being like, "omg, leyk, teh beatles lololol!!" much like Backstreet Boys concerts. Don't get me wrong, I love the Beatles, including their early stuff, but I fail to see how people can argue that they weren't essentially a boy band up until around Rubber Soul.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]I specifically said not musically speaking. All your examples are about musical difference. The Beatles had a magazine they published, were worshipped by little girls, their concerts weren't actually musical events so much as people being like, "omg, leyk, teh beatles lololol!!" much like Backstreet Boys concerts. Don't get me wrong, I love the Beatles, including their early stuff, but I fail to see how people can argue that they weren't essentially a boy band up until around Rubber Soul.[/QUOTE]
What would we have done without Dr. Robert and the speicial plant?

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]The ending was a little messed up, personally. But that acid trip scene... crazy.

As for Please Please Me, I'd say it's a pop album by today's standards, and probably by 60's standards as well. I mean, compare The Beatles pre-66 to The Backstreet Boys... was it really all that different? I'm not talking musically, we all know they were different musically.[/QUOTE]

The subject of the songs in their pre-Rubber Soul albums (lyrically speaking) were similar to the boy band's and earlier rock'n roll. Its the basic "Boy meets girl" or "boy breaks up with girl" format that was broken after Rubber Soul that has been comming back, especially in the late 90's.. It's kinda sad

John worte "How do you sleep?" as a shot against McCartney
McCarteny wrote "Silly Love Songs" Lennon

Who won?

[QUOTE=Walrus Gumboot]John worte "How do you sleep?" as a shot against McCartney
McCarteny wrote "Silly Love Songs" Lennon

Who won?[/QUOTE]

Eh? What're you asking? Far as I can tell, Silly Love Songs has nothing to do with Lennon. However, if you're talking about who "won" an arbitrary squabble between them, I say it doesn't really matter either way.

Ninja editing shouldn't be allowed.



*kidding*

[QUOTE=Walrus Gumboot]John worte "How do you sleep?" as a shot against McCartney
McCarteny wrote "Silly Love Songs" Lennon

Who won?[/QUOTE]

Yoko, meh she seems to be the only one who got what they wanted.

[QUOTE=Schyma]It left me with my mouth open...it was so sad. :upset:[/QUOTE]
absolutely. took me by surprise. especially because i got to like dennis hoppers character.

It was pretty out of nowhere. I don't quite see the point of having that in the ending. But, I'm too much obsessed with literary merit. **** english classes...

Easy Rider was a great movie. I saw that and Clockwork Orange at the same time...I must say the best song from Easy Rider was Pusher.

Anyway, back to Beatle business.

Even though the subject matter of the Beatles 65 and earlier was rather simplistic, it still was more complex then most other poppy love songs. She Loves You was the first song I believe written in third to second person. There's not too many songs like that.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]I specifically said not musically speaking. All your examples are about musical difference. The Beatles had a magazine they published, were worshipped by little girls, their concerts weren't actually musical events so much as people being like, "omg, leyk, teh beatles lololol!!" much like Backstreet Boys concerts. Don't get me wrong, I love the Beatles, including their early stuff, but I fail to see how people can argue that they weren't essentially a boy band up until around Rubber Soul.[/QUOTE]


...and thats the very reason they stopped touring. they knew thats how they were looked at and they could never improve live cause they couldnt be heard. thats why they stuck to being geniouses in the studio

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]I specifically said not musically speaking. All your examples are about musical difference. The Beatles had a magazine they published, were worshipped by little girls, their concerts weren't actually musical events so much as people being like, "omg, leyk, teh beatles lololol!!" much like Backstreet Boys concerts. Don't get me wrong, I love the Beatles, including their early stuff, but I fail to see how people can argue that they weren't essentially a boy band up until around Rubber Soul.[/QUOTE]

I know you love the Beatles and i dont mean to sound like i'm having a go at you but the Beatles were definatly not a boy band, They were the start of the end of boy bands as they were one of the few groups at that time who wrote their own lyrics (rather then have a lyric writer write lyrics for them).
They made their music theirselves.
They did not dance (as such) on stage.
Sure alot of there songs had lyrics about boys and girls and love but so did many bands in that era.

thats all i have to say.

[QUOTE=Sgt._Joker]I know you love the Beatles and i dont mean to sound like i'm having a go at you but the Beatles were definatly not a boy band, They were the start of the end of boy bands as they were one of the few groups at that time who wrote their own lyrics (rather then have a lyric writer write lyrics for them).
They made their music theirselves.
They did not dance (as such) on stage.
Sure alot of there songs had lyrics about boys and girls and love but so did many bands in that era.

thats all i have to say.[/QUOTE]

I got with an argument with one of my friends at school about that today. Its true in their early days but there is NO boy band that would later put out political music, and if the did they would stop the second the lost popularity because of it, but not the Beatles.

There were plenty of other groups around during the Beatles' early years that were much much more a boy band then they were. The Beatles, except for people like Bob Dylan and stuff, were the least boy-bandish until like 64-65.

Somthing that pisses me off is that people who don't listen to the Beatles always thing of their fab four days instead of their political rock band days.

[QUOTE=pigonthewing82]Somthing that pisses me off is that people who don't listen to the Beatles always thing of their fab four days instead of their political rock band days.[/QUOTE]


I know this one girl I used to be friends with who was listening to "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" saying "This **** is so gay, man!"

Don't you love girls who act like 7th grade boys?

Guys who like Beatles > Guys who don't like Beatles.
(I am female, if it matters)

[QUOTE=Walrus Gumboot]I know this one girl I used to be friends with who was listening to "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" saying "This **** is so gay, man!"[/QUOTE]

Yeah - a man and a woman, together - that's so gay!

[QUOTE=Walrus Gumboot]Guys who like Beatles > Guys who don't like Beatles.
(I am female, if it matters)[/QUOTE]
psh. you want me. its obvious.

[QUOTE=Walrus Gumboot]I know this one girl I used to be friends with who was listening to "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" saying "This **** is so gay, man!"

Don't you love girls who act like 7th grade boys?

Guys who like Beatles > Guys who don't like Beatles.
(I am female, if it matters)[/QUOTE]

Yea man I mean people need to take the Beatles for what they are and in time all of their songs, even the pop ones, will grow on you.

I love their music. All of it. Although I don't think they really got all that political.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]I love their music. All of it. Although I don't think they really got all that political.[/QUOTE]

Yea but there political songs have had such an impact on me (and I'm sure others). I mean when John (or any of them) is singing about polotics everything just seems to sort of make sense and is so simple a child could understand it, but so complex that those without a free mind won't understand.