mmm. grim heart.

Yah, apparently the bass and one guitar are in Drop B, so are the guitars for "Bare My Teeth." So br00tal.

[QUOTE=Luxor;13996715]Cry more.[/QUOTE]

Whatev, dude. F'uck you.

If someone would upload Mark Tom and Travis Show that would be awesome.

Don't they not sell that anymore?

I dropped my brother's copy in a bag of salt and vinegar chips once.

This may or may not interest some of you.

Aussie emo from Canberra:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/briskband[/url]
[url]http://www.brisk-music.com/[/url]

There's a couple of songs on their site for download.

[QUOTE=whiteminority;13996935]Ethiopia isn't a majority Christian really anymore, they obviously have a very long tradition of Christianity but since about the middle to late middle of the 20th century there has been a drastic upswing in Islam which is why there is so much violence over there.

I played fooball for about 7 years (I quit Freshman year). I'm up about 15 pounds from my playing weight but yeah I'm serious.

What's your guys' opinion on the intended 20,000 troop increase to Iraq?[/QUOTE]
oh, for some reason i thought that Christians were a slim majority. i guess i was mistaken, which isn't hard for me to believe. although i have a decent familiarity with the horn region, sub-saharan africa in general really isn't my strong point. at any rate, i believe Christians dominate the government (i'm not trying to impose homogeneity though). so if they aren't the majority, i guess Christian-led would be the accurate description, unless i'm mistaken again.

oh, and as far as the troop increase question, i think it will be helpful as part of a larger strategy, not on its own. and he did laid out a larger strategy. overall, i thought the speech was good. it was frank, honest, and pretty much spot on. the only things i remember not liking were the grouping of syria and iran together (i think syria can be dealt with and should be regarded separate from iran) and his calling this the ideological conflict of our time with freedom being our side. we need to accept that some of our most valuable allies in the region are not "free societies" and likely would not be able to function as such. we should stop pushing for that. it would be very detrimental if they were to become "free."

i thought the plan was good, but it depends on the iraqi government. if they really carry out what they have committed to: provincial elections, end of debathification, and a crackdown on the shia militias, it could really lead to victory. also, the imbedding of US units with iraqi units is absolutely necessary, and as far as i'm concerned the best action that we could take. it was great to hear him say that’s going to happen.

it was also interesting to hear him mention the patriot missile defenses. since we have long worked with israel on such defenses, i'm thinking that was referencing the saudis. i guess we took notice when talk of them pursuing their own nuclear program came out. and his mention of turkey seems to indicate he will address the issues with the pkk, which would help gain more support from turkey.

and i thought he made a great point when he said something like people suggesting courses of action should explain how the path they propose would be [I]more likely to succeed[/I]. many of the "plans" of late that I read are just giving up.

also, he showed understanding of the type of war we are engaged in and urged forbearance against the enemy’s tactics without turning it into a dry lecture on 4gw. like when he mentioned television images. suicide bombings and ied attacks are militarily useless, their value is in their ability to erode political support through being reported by the media.

i was also impressed to hear him talk so specifically about anbar, and lay out a good plan for it. it essentially contained the strategy laid out in this presentation, which has been getting a lot of attention lately:
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/how_to_win_in_anbar_v4.pdf[/url]

really recommend watching that^^^^. its very short and simple, so it won't take much time.

They need a change of strategy, not more men, but they don't seem to understand that even after four years.

I think the troop increase is a good idea, we need more people there to keep it under control.

More funding for space lasers imo.

[QUOTE=Skrunnch;14000851]If someone would upload Mark Tom and Travis Show that would be awesome.[/QUOTE]

I have it, as well as every other album blink-182 ever recorded...ever.

:D

/loves blink

Once my laptop is fixed, I'll hook you up. If not, go into the pop-punk forum and ask in the official blink-182 thread.

[QUOTE=srt-4;14002032]oh, for some reason i thought that Christians were a slim majority. i guess i was mistaken, which isn't hard for me to believe. although i have a decent familiarity with the horn region, sub-saharan africa in general really isn't my strong point. at any rate, i believe Christians dominate the government (i'm not trying to impose homogeneity though). so if they aren't the majority, i guess Christian-led would be the accurate description, unless i'm mistaken again.[/QUOTE]

Christian-led is accurate.

[QUOTE=srt-4]oh, and as far as the troop increase question, i think it will be helpful as part of a larger strategy, not on its own. and he did laid out a larger strategy. overall, i thought the speech was good. it was frank, honest, and pretty much spot on. the only things i remember not liking were the grouping of syria and iran together (i think syria can be dealt with and should be regarded separate from iran) and his calling this the ideological conflict of our time with freedom being our side. we need to accept that some of our most valuable allies in the region are not "free societies" and likely would not be able to function as such. we should stop pushing for that. it would be very detrimental if they were to become "free."

i thought the plan was good, but it depends on the iraqi government. if they really carry out what they have committed to: provincial elections, end of debathification, and a crackdown on the shia militias, it could really lead to victory. also, the imbedding of US units with iraqi units is absolutely necessary, and as far as i'm concerned the best action that we could take. it was great to hear him say that’s going to happen.

it was also interesting to hear him mention the patriot missile defenses. since we have long worked with israel on such defenses, i'm thinking that was referencing the saudis. i guess we took notice when talk of them pursuing their own nuclear program came out. and his mention of turkey seems to indicate he will address the issues with the pkk, which would help gain more support from turkey.

and i thought he made a great point when he said something like people suggesting courses of action should explain how the path they propose would be more likely to succeed. many of the "plans" of late that I read are just giving up.

also, he showed understanding of the type of war we are engaged in and urged forbearance against the enemy’s tactics without turning it into a dry lecture on 4gw. like when he mentioned television images. suicide bombings and ied attacks are militarily useless, their value is in their ability to erode political support through being reported by the media.

i was also impressed to hear him talk so specifically about anbar, and lay out a good plan for it. it essentially contained the strategy laid out in this presentation, which has been getting a lot of attention lately:
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/how_to_win_in_anbar_v4.pdf[/url]

really recommend watching that^^^^. its very short and simple, so it won't take much time.[/QUOTE]

ppk = ? I didn't know we had much of a problem with the Turks.

I doubt America has much of a problem with Turkey because Turkey is a largely secular state, so the religion doesn't have much influence in government and they're largely a good democratic state other than that they hate greeks.

About it being allowed into the EU is quite controversial because then suicide bombers and terrorists with turkish passports would be able to travel much more freely in Europe.

I think whatever George Bush decided to do was going to be criticized because the situation there isn't very good and it's gonna be tough to change. The main problem is that the Sunni's hate the Shi'ites who are now in power after Sunnis were mainly in power during Saddam's regime.

Turkey is key. It's the only state that's an Islamic democracy that did it itself.

...yet the US doesn't pay nearly enough attention to Turkey.

i ****ing hate seeds in oranges.

[QUOTE=I0Played0Bass;13997448]My friend and I already decided that once World War III starts, we're dropping out of college and enjoying the final days of human existence.[/QUOTE]
Can I come? I'll bring cheetos.

..and a 14 year old virgin.

Arrakakaka!!

[QUOTE=Arrakakaka;14005439]Can I come? I'll bring cheetos.

[/QUOTE]

lol

[QUOTE=Matt?;14005158]i ****ing hate seeds in oranges.[/QUOTE]

Me too.

[QUOTE=Arrakakaka;14005439]Can I come? I'll bring cheetos.

..and a 14 year old virgin.[/QUOTE]

Troy Michigan! Where in Troy do you live?

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;14005996]Troy Michigan! Where in Troy do you live?[/QUOTE]
Near the Sylvan Glen Golf Course. It's so damn fun to steal stuff from there. Me and a buddy got us a "Next Tee" sign.

[QUOTE=Loner;13957326]JON: sympathy. it's a dream what made me fade. what you're trained to see. it's erased. you could be everything
JOSH: i guess we're just different in the same way

Weird. But that's what i got

/never listened to Neil Perry[/QUOTE]
Thank you. Now I just have to tab it out and my life will be complete.

[QUOTE=Arrakakaka;14006004]Near the Sylvan Glen Golf Course. It's so damn fun to steal stuff from there. Me and a buddy got us a "Next Tee" sign.
[/QUOTE]
Oh, I'm rarely up in Troy, and when I am it's usually for Somerset Mall.

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;14006095]Oh, I'm rarely up in Troy, and when I am it's usually for Somerset Mall.[/QUOTE]
I've been at Somerset alot lately. I go to Pac Sun and get size ze... Ughm, cough.

What if I told you all I'm 14 and got into Cryptopsy when I was 12? Br00tal.

[QUOTE=whiteminority;14004016]ppk = ? I didn't know we had much of a problem with the Turks.[/QUOTE]
its a kurdish group that wants independence for the kurdish area of turkey and carries out terrorist attacks in attempts to further that goal. lately it has been operating out of iraqi kurdistan. turkey has increased its troops on the border and shelled ppk camps in iraq, but its mostly for appearances. turkey wants us to help them put an end to the situation. and we've been helping through non-military means, but its obvious more needs to be done. however, thats the only area in all of iraq that is stable, and we don't want to turn it into another battleground. the iraqi kurds supposedly don't want the ppk there either, but they are sympathic to their cause enough that they don't want to force the ppk out themselves or see them destroyed. so everybody just kind of wants the problem to go away, but doesn't really want to do anything about it.

and i think we pay plenty of attention to turkey. they've been in nato for more than 50 years.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;14002519]They need a change of strategy, not more men, but they don't seem to understand that even after four years.[/QUOTE]
umm...did you not listen to or read the speech? he laid out pretty significant changes in strategy.

i posted that like three days ago.

before the speach.

and i still dont think he can win withuot taking things too far on the humanity side of things, which he wont be allowed to do.

The Dems will probably be back in before he can win the war.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;14009643]
and i still dont think he can win withuot taking things too far on the humanity side of things, which he wont be allowed to do.

The Dems will probably be back in before he can win the war.[/QUOTE]

George Bush has already broken multiple humanity type Conventions and rules and laws, and even if the Democratic party wins the election in 2008, I pray to the sun that they don't pull troops out.

I love living in the south... three day weekend!

Us too? Ours is for MLK Day. I don't get why we're gettinga day off for the guy that invented the lightbulb though.

When I lived in Indiana we didn't get the day off, it was only places with high black populations that got the day off.