[QUOTE=Kage]I can see where you're coming from, there. But a lot of times the "filler" adds to the flow of the album, where it gives it a more conceptual feel and I think the bands that add filler tastefully really put it in there for a reason.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. There are 3 types of albums for me.
1) A collection of songs place on a CD that dont necessarily go together well, but are great on their own
2) A collection of songs that work with each other to build up an overall mood
3) The 80% utter waste of a good CD albums that are out there

The filler works best on option 2. When put in with option 2, thats when they annoy the hell out of me.

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]I have a question about The Grudge's guitar intro. I know one guitar is just plucking, hammer/pull pluck on the 6 string, but I was wondering, is the second guitar a bass, or what? Sorry if I'm not clear on this, but it's the best I could describe it.[/QUOTE]

im almost definitely sure it is bass.
take a look at the bass tab from tooltabs.net

[url]http://www.tooltabs.net/tabs/tool/bass/lateralus/the_grudge.htm[/url]

it sounds right to me

i think one of the only problem with that theory of the spiral thing in Lateralus is that last note of the second track, Eon Blue Apocalypse rings out into the beginning of The Patient. if you break that cycle and go from Eon Blue Apocalype into Reflections, it doesnt really fit it sound wise, but going from Refections into The Patient sounds like it could be right to me.

[QUOTE]Or, honestly, they could have not done them at all.[/QUOTE]

hey man they put these fillers in for a reason as to explain more the meaning of the album in whole, like many poeple have posted that you have to look at every song, whter it be a filler or not , to get the message behind the album.

thats just IMO

Speaking of bass. Lately, I've been obsessed with Intolerance because of the dark background the bass gives the song.

To see older discussion of drum2K's post, go here:

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136377[/url]

Please don't bump that thread. And if we ever update the first page, that link should probably go there :)

[QUOTE=Kage]I can see where you're coming from, there. But a lot of times the "filler" adds to the flow of the album, where it gives it a more conceptual feel and I think the bands that add filler tastefully really put it in there for a reason.[/QUOTE]

i totally agree with you, but i mean it was dissopointing to hear so many fillers on lateralus (im sorry i always spell that one wrong :upset: ) after we waited so long for it to come

[QUOTE=pigonthewing82]i totally agree with you, but i mean it was dissopointing to hear [b]so many fillers on lateralus[/b] (im sorry i always spell that one wrong :upset: ) after we waited so long for it to come[/QUOTE]

There are 3 fillers on Lateralus, out of 13 songs. Eon Blue Apocalypse is very, very cool, and I find that Adams guitar on it leads nicely into The Patient, especially complimenting Justins bass line.

Mantra is indeed a filler track, but it is intriuging none the less. And Faaip de Oiad is a very spooky way for the album to end. I can't see how anyone would complain about Lateralus having too many filler tracks.

Does anybody know for sure what the noise is in Mantra? If not, just tell me what you think it is.

For the person asking about the Golden Ratio - it's a ratio of approximately 1.6:1, and is the most visually pleasing ratio for the sides of a rectangle. The Greeks used it (in the desgin of Parthenon I think) and Da Vinci searched for the ratio in people (look for that picture of the outstretched man in a rectangle, it should be in the golden ratio).

As the noise of Mantra - I heard it was a slowed down recording of Maynard's siamese cat.

Rumour is that it is the sound that one of Maynard's Siamese cats made when he squeezed it. Apparently he was so intrigued by the noise, that he recorded it, slowed it down, (I've also heard played it backwards), and made a song out of it. I've never seen any confirmed statement of what Mantra is though.

I just bought Lateralus and Undertow, but I couldn't find Salival.


And I ****ing love them.

i was always under the impression that the "filler" on lateralus was actually part of the fibannochi sequence track order, to even more so smoothly make the transition between songs, for a review

the re arranged track sequence goes 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12

so the first 3 songs transitions into each other is accurate (espically Eon Blue into The Patient) and then lighter exit of The Patient further enhances the lighter intro to Schism, and the heavier outro to Schism better suits the drummy intro to Ticks and Leeches, and after that theres Faaip which is open for discussion, but none the less a cool track, and then back around comes a strange ambient "Mantra" followed by the similar sounding Parabol which then leands to Parabola, and the guitar outro the Parabola is alike in dignity to the guitar intro the Lateralus, and then the last 3 were originally one long song to begin with, so thats that






meaning, that the filler tracks lubricated the transitions of the songs when rearragned properly

Do you guys have a link to a site about this stuff? This is very intriguing.

MagicBus, there are a few links to various site on the this page of the thread. The one I posted is an old thread regarding the alternate track order for lateralus, and should be read by anyone who is interested in it. A number of good links will be found by reading that thread also. And unless, you tried eBay, you won't find Salival. I was going to bid on it last week, but a speeding ticket put an end to that idea.

And x the patient x6, I agree with what your saying about the filler tracks and the alternate order.

The high end playing on The Grudge is all bass, for the record.

Adam is just sitting on the 0h1-0-0 pattern on the low D string.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]The high end playing on The Grudge is all bass, for the record.

Adam is just sitting on the 0h1-0-0 pattern on the low D string.[/QUOTE]

Is the bassist using an octave effect, or just playing a different part than Jones?

Justin is not using any octave effect, he's playing something slightly different.


G-----------14---------12---------17---------14
D---0h13p0----0h13p0-----0h13p0-----0h13p0---

Allright, thanks :thumb: rep ++

Man, I love Tool. They're crazy like that. Definantly a band with a surplus of credibility.

So, how many of you guys are Pink Floyd fans? I like how Jones put the keyboard riff from Shine on you Crazy Diamond into the end of The Grudge. If you want to hear it, listen to SOYCD at 1:13 and The Grudge at 7:36 or so. (Thanks Magicbus) They are both amazing songs, IMO, so enjoy.

[QUOTE=x the patient x6]i was always under the impression that the "filler" on lateralus was actually part of the fibannochi sequence track order, to even more so smoothly make the transition between songs
[/QUOTE]

Eon Blue Apocolypse is the 3rd number in the sequence, and Faaip de Oaidd is the 7th number in the sequence, but Mantra, being the fourth track, is not included in the pattern. It also does not work with the alternate track list.

I have seen Mantra included in the sequence more than once...

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Really? I missed that reference. Good for them, I hate Scientology...bunch of ****in' wackos IMO, and I generally tend to be pretty open minded towards New Religious Movements.[/QUOTE]


What makes you hate Scientology and what makes you think all that follow that religion are a bunch of wackos ?
Im curious for your answers because im reading a book all about Scientology at the moment, and so far it doesnt seem too bad of an idea..

This might be a bit far fetched, but, "i know the pieces fit cos i watched them fall away" could that also be a reference to Lateralus in the 'alternative' sequence, which they then turned into the actual released sequence? i ono

If the alternate order exists, I believe that line would be a significant referral to it, as stated in the older thread.

That order sounds very entertaining too, when I buy Lateralus I must do this. It'd be awesome tho begin the journey that is Lateralus with Parabol.

that order wont sound right without a computer program to play the tracks in there complete entirety without pauses inbetween each song. You could probably hear what there talking about, but you'll have to really listen.

has anybody in here heard of bill hicks, if your a tool fan you should really listen to some of his stuff, it adds to tool because some of their songs are based off him, like third eye

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Justin is not using any octave effect, he's playing something slightly different.


G-----------14---------12---------17---------14
D---0h13p0----0h13p0-----0h13p0-----0h13p0---[/QUOTE]
he does use delay in that bit though.

[QUOTE=G_Mac07]MagicBus, there are a few links to various site on the this page of the thread. The one I posted is an old thread regarding the alternate track order for lateralus, and should be read by anyone who is interested in it. A number of good links will be found by reading that thread also. And unless, you tried eBay, you won't find Salival. I was going to bid on it last week, but a speeding ticket put an end to that idea.

And x the patient x6, I agree with what your saying about the filler tracks and the alternate order.[/QUOTE]

Alright thanks man. And what's up with Salival? Not in stores for some reason?


:thumb: to Mushroom's post.

[QUOTE=magicbus]Alright thanks man. And what's up with Salival? Not in stores for some reason?


[/QUOTE]

Sorry man, Salival is out of print. Best chance you have is here:

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=617&item=6363320184&rd=1[/url]

ATTN: AJG: Vote for lateralus please :\

[QUOTE=magicbus]Alright thanks man. And what's up with Salival? Not in stores for some reason?.[/QUOTE]



You can look around at used cd stores, thats where i found my copy

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]Eon Blue Apocolypse is the 3rd number in the sequence, and Faaip de Oaidd is the 7th number in the sequence, but Mantra, being the fourth track, is not included in the pattern. It also does not work with the alternate track list.[/QUOTE]

guh-buh? i are confused? could you please elaborate

[QUOTE=bassist-bmxer]he does use delay in that bit though.[/QUOTE]

This is true

But I was simply illustrating a point that he plays more notes than Adam does, it wasn't necessary to convey that he uses delay :thumb:

when i first listened to Lateralus, my first thoughts were that the album had some sort of a space theme or something to do with extra terrestrials or something,, because of the words in Faaip de Oiad about Area 51 and aliens,, also the noise in Mantra made me think of the deepness and empyness of space or something.

[QUOTE=MuDvAyNe3B]when i first listened to Lateralus, my first thoughts were that the album had some sort of a space theme or something to do with extra terrestrials or something,, because of the words in Faaip de Oiad about Area 51 and aliens,, also the noise in Mantra made me think of the deepness and empyness of space or something.[/QUOTE]

I think there is some imagery in there that would suggest that.

I know I'm really behind on this, but I just heard Third Eye live off of Salival and I'm just completely blown away. That was amazing, I am in awe.

[QUOTE=MuDvAyNe3B]when i first listened to Lateralus, my first thoughts were that the album had some sort of a space theme or something to do with extra terrestrials or something,, because of the words in Faaip de Oiad about Area 51 and aliens,, also the noise in Mantra made me think of the deepness and empyness of space or something.[/QUOTE]

Star Date: 1.4926

Saturn Ascends

[QUOTE=Kage]I think there is some imagery in there that would suggest that.

I know I'm really behind on this, but I just heard Third Eye live off of Salival and I'm just completely blown away. That was amazing, I am in awe.[/QUOTE]

have you heard Push it?