I have not changed my stance at all. they don't have any "property". that's bull. but capitalism has constructed a pseudo-property that people actually believe in. consequently I have to honour that non-existing "property" and their fake "rights", so that the bands I like can afford to go around playing shows.

the reason I stressed that whole not wanting to buy stuff was because that was my main point. upping me mp3s will not be preventing me from actually purchasing the records. that's true 100% of the time, because it's a two-case scenario. a) I might not have money and wouldn't buy it either way or b) I like the s'hit so much that I want to support the band financially.

i'll agree with the latter two statements, but I still think you're a commie fool.

darn commies.

you dorkz are still talkin about this??

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;16945131]i'll agree with the latter two statements, but I still think you're a commie fool.[/QUOTE]

that's alright. I am a communist, and I will stand for my views.

you can't have a view on it.

you don't have any responsibility in the process of creating and sending out the record to people, so you have no reason to have input on that process. sure, you're a customer and can choose either to purchase or steal the record. if you're an idiot you'll attempt to use some ideological principles to define stealing as something different, but the people actually involved with the process can see it two ways; either you steal it or buy it.

i don't get how you are failing to comprehend this.

fight the power riaa sux

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo;16945343]you can't have a view on it.

you don't have any responsibility in the process of creating and sending out the record to people, so you have no reason to have input on that process. sure, you're a customer and can choose either to purchase or steal the record. if you're an idiot you'll attempt to use some ideological principles to define stealing as something different, but the people actually involved with the process can see it two ways; either you steal it or buy it.

i don't get how you are failing to comprehend this.[/QUOTE]

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nice brak reference

rofl

I feel like you just don't understand the point we're all making. We're not giving an ethical lesson, and I wouldn't expect you to stop downloading stuff, but it is in fact a property that only exists because of monetary value. If music had always been free there would be no industry and no touring bands and nothing to listen to anyway.

Likewise if you were to follow your philosophy it would have to be in a completely communist region. It doesn't make sense that you can say this has no value, but that you're willing to pay for something like a book or non-essential clothing.

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo;16943500]i dunno if playing in a poopty deathcore qualifies you as a "vocalist"?[/QUOTE]

no but screaming for 5+ years in like 7 different bands in various genres does id think c:

[QUOTE=Iluvatar;16943507]i listen to later jeromes dream more just because that dude wrote the craziest guitar parts then[/QUOTE]

it is true, i like it a lot when im nodding

wtf who cares

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[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;16945864]I feel like you just don't understand the point we're all making. We're not giving an ethical lesson, and I wouldn't expect you to stop downloading stuff, but it is in fact a property that only exists because of monetary value. If music had always been free there would be no industry and no touring bands and nothing to listen to anyway.

Likewise if you were to follow your philosophy it would have to be in a completely communist region. It doesn't make sense that you can say this has no value, but that you're willing to pay for something like a book or non-essential clothing.[/QUOTE]

*you* aren't understanding the point *I* am making. but I'm really not up for a discussion on philosophies. (yes Communism is a philosophy, not an ideology, Jared. Leninism, Marxism and Maoism are ideologies.) I just want someone to f'ucking up me some Mesa Verde. it's not the most absurd request made on this forum ever. (also I wouldn't be "willing" to pay for a book or non-essential clothing.) if anyone wants to know what my philosophical stances are (to make fun or me or whatever), read The Conquest of Bread - and try to apply it to the 21st century.

[QUOTE]I just want someone to f'ucking up me some Mesa Verde[/QUOTE]
by saying that i assume you don't have it yet

[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?ihuw5gyoym5[/url]

now was that so hard? thanks DBlitz :)

no problem

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I want to destroy all wiggers.

start by putting a bullet in your head

AH you got me. I'm a secret wigger.

kiddies gtfo, men heil sum chune

big hat, no cattle is ****ing elite

[QUOTE=moron;16941660]born against suck[/QUOTE]

Dumbest thing I've ever heard.

have to agree. Born Against are ****ing awesome.

just finished listening to you and i really good stuff

so I made the mistake of going on the myspace emo forums assuming that there was actual music discussion. :\

lol

lol myspace

Myspace has forums?

lol yeah and they're pretty awful