You know, I read that when it came out, and forgot about it.

Interesting...

I would seriously laugh very hard if this turns out to be a decoy record and you were hailing it above Aenima.

i read about 4 paragraphs before i got bored... sorry




edit :anyone DUMB enough to think this record isnt real...


well, im not gonna go there :lol:

Regardless of this being a decoy record or not, it has quality material on it. it might be better than their other records, it depends what you get out of the music.

You know what I just thought... How easy would it be for Tool to record their songs in different orders so they're not quite as good as how they're supposed to be, and ommit words or sections from songs, or make them more simple.

Rather than this being completely different to the actual release, it could just be an edited, or lack of edited version of it. That "Timmah!!12" is making me worried now. I might stop listening to this record until it comes out. I don't want to get attached to bits that could be different...

Oh man, dilemma!

Checking the prices of the album online, this looks like being a cheap purchase, which is good for my wallet. £8.99 is the most i've seen it for so far, which is less than most CDs.

shadius, i dont say this much, but you're being gay (referring to that last post)

That's as unlikely as the decoy record theory. Timmah is a subliminal message. What do guys on tdn say about it?

[QUOTE=Shadius]You know what I just thought... How easy would it be for Tool to record their songs in different orders so they're not quite as good as how they're supposed to be, and ommit words or sections from songs, or make them more simple.

Rather than this being completely different to the actual release, it could just be an edited, or lack of edited version of it. That "Timmah!!12" is making me worried now. I might stop listening to this record until it comes out. I don't want to get attached to bits that could be different...

Oh man, dilemma![/QUOTE]


I'd say that the Timmayh! clip proves that this isn't the final mix we're hearing :p.. And the fact that the mixing seems so muddy, compared to the original vicarious leak

[QUOTE=Reywas]That's as unlikely as the decoy record theory. Timmah is a subliminal message. What do guys on tdn say about it?[/QUOTE]

THe best i've read is that this isnt a decoy, but a B-sides collection and the 'new' album is still to come. Not that I buy the theory, but its nice to think there's 22+ new Tool songs out there.

TDN is an annoying place to read, its like the few idiots in this thread copy/pasted onto every other user

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]shadius, i dont say this much, but you're being gay (referring to that last post)[/QUOTE]

No man. I'm not saying this is like Tool recorded a whole other album as a decoy, but after reading that article, which sounds like it's just Blair messing around, but you never know, it's cast a little doubt in my mind.

I'm not talking like the songs are completely different, I'm saying this may be a rough version, or slightly different in some way.

Like... At Uni I d/led some Arctic Monkeys songs, Dancing Shoes was among them, and I really liked that song, then when it got released and the album came out, I found that the "take" of the song was different. it was the same song, but different takes were used for vocals, and the song was ever so slightly different sounding, and I didn't like it as much because I was attached to the older version.

I'm saying THAT is possible with this leak, and it would spoil the actual record a little. I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying there's a possibility, we don't even know when or where this leak is from. I mean... "Timmy!" in the background... a little odd. I'm sure that. at very least won't be in the final version.

I get what you're saying Shadius. So many singles have been released with different mixes, additions and even recordings than the album versions. If this leak is direct from the album, then its unlikely to change much, but if its just the tracks leaked from another source, there could be changes.

Not that it matters too much, there wont be any major changes if so

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]I get what you're saying Shadius. So many singles have been released with different mixes, additions and even recordings than the album versions. If this leak is direct from the album, then its unlikely to change much, but if its just the tracks leaked from another source, there could be changes.

Not that it matters too much, there wont be any major changes if so[/QUOTE]

Like I was saying, there's a (remote?) possibility that the entire vocal takes could be different. Like with a lot of other songs that have older versions. Although, if anything like that does change, I'm sure the later take would only be better with a band like Tool. It's just that sometimes I get really attached to how things are sung, and if it's not exactly like it, I might not feel the song as much. I'm sure the song structures won't really change much, if at all, but things like different takes are possible. Or even more likely, the mixing.

If this train of thought is gay, then so be it. I'm just being logical.

I remember one of The Music's pre-album releases had a song which they released on the album, but managed to remove an awesome harmonic from the bridge. That annoyed me a lot, over something so small as 1 note lol. So I getcha

Exactly my point, sometimes the little things matter.

Hmm... Maybe I won't STOP listening to this, but I'm definately going to cool off with it on the off chance that things change.

i only expect a different track order, and a little better quality

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]i only expect a different track order, and a little better quality[/QUOTE]

To be honest, track order changing is probably less likely than using different takes for parts or mixing it slightly differently, seeing as the track order has been offically released for a while and everyone seems to have accepted it, and nothing about this leak is official.

Different track order would be nice.

track order makes no difference to me. I basically skip over the filler crap like every TOoL album :lol:

Yeah... also, I don't mind this track order at all. The only slightly odd thing is the two segue tracks being together, but in a way, Lost Keys is the Parabol style intro to Rosetta Stoned.

What would be a better order? :p

Lost Keys
Rosseta Stoned
Jambi
The Pot
Lipan Conjuring
Wings For Marie
Wings Pt. 2
Vicarious
Intension
Right In Two
Viginti Tres

The perfect track order. This album sounds like 4.5 now and flows perfectly.

[QUOTE=Reywas]10 000 days and WFM before Intension.[/QUOTE]

That would spoil how Lipan Conjuring ends the first half the albums North American indian type influence and brings us into a darker, more twisted Tool sound through Lost Keys and into Rosetta Stoned for me.

*shrug*

I think I'll change the track order manually. I much prefer this one.

Man, reading your guys' post is killing me. I'm trying so hard to put it off until the release.

I'm not listening to it that much atm...

Dirty pretty things and taking back sunday releases leaked today....thursdays leak is imminent so It's not like i don't have any other music to listen to.

I also recently aquired Jesu's Silver EP which is amazing...

TOoL > that BS clearvision :lol:

6 : 24 - 6 : 58 Right In Two sounds simillar to end of Eulogy

Anyone else in California wondering when they are coming back here? I'm not paying the 150 bucks to go to Coachella simply for Tool.

im hoping i can get good seats for the show in Philly. Im gonna have to tackle this head on

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]TOoL > that BS clearvision :lol:[/QUOTE]

I wasn't saying they didn't...but i have stuff to occupy me for 2 weeks till i see how this all turns out. That 'import' getting released from amazon on the 16th is confusing me...Plus this leak isn't of the best quality...I'm not gonna overplay the album before it's reelased :p

[QUOTE=clearvision]I'm not gonna overplay the album before it's released :p[/QUOTE]



IMPOSSIBLE!!


NP : Right in Two

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]im hoping i can get good seats for the show in Philly. Im gonna have to tackle this head on[/QUOTE]
I'll be fighting you for tickets.

lol @ any of you thinken its a decoy... nerds.

[QUOTE=ThePatient]I'll be fighting you for tickets.[/QUOTE]


well, i have about 2-5 people helping me, so good luck to you :lol:

[QUOTE=Jerzzzey]lol @ any of you thinken its a decoy... nerds.[/QUOTE]


HEY! dump lump me in with THOSE guys :lol:

[QUOTE=Jerzzzey]lol @ any of you thinken its a decoy... nerds.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Tool does some weird stuff sometimes but that would just be ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Jerzzzey]lol @ any of you thinken its a decoy... nerds.[/QUOTE]

I doubt anyone here actually believes this is a decoy.. And lol @ you if you think this is the final mix...

I'm listening to APC - eMOTIVE

I looooove this album...

who's with me?
Or are you all too pissed off about that Imagine cover? Wtf.

[QUOTE=toocool4tool]That is how you havent gone beyond the way of thinking we are at now. If you haven't put out a novel and went further who the F.U.C.K. are you to take away from someone who has thrown their two cents in. Accumilating "change" without stealing from the pile and you will gain true wealth.[/QUOTE]

Extension of this logic:

If you haven't posted 5000 times and gone further, who the F.U.C.K are you to take away from someone who has thrown their two cents in. If you haven't built your own car and then crash, who the F.U.C.K are you to take away from the insurance company who haven't.

Oh, and lol@the true wealth. Perhaps you should introduce yourself to monetary theory.



PS: I'm a Creative Writing major. I've actually got a novel, a chapbook and an album done and some of it's commercially available here. But my opinion on a book, poetry or song is no more valid than anyone else's. And for that matter, Tool's opinion on their art is not an issue at all.



[quote]It's a decoy[/quote]

Didn't Blair's post on the decoy send all your sarcasm detectors into overdrive? The man's obviously making fun of people thinking Tool is out there doing all those things.

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]I'm listening to APC - eMOTIVE

I looooove this album...

who's with me?
Or are you all too pissed off about that Imagine cover? Wtf.[/QUOTE]



i completely agree...


honestly, i hate imagine, and the cover :lol: