[quote=I_am_hated]i think more peple should listen to slipknot there a great band dont know why they get dissed so much[/quote]

They get dissed so much because they are one of the forefront bands of nu-metal. Alot of people just have a general disliking towards nu-metal, and use Slipknot as an example of everything bad. They also hate the idea of wearing masks.

And their fanatical fans also turn people off. I must admit, their fans overrate them a bit, but they are a great band.

Mudvayne is and always will be my most favourite Nu-Metal band always. But ive decided not to bash other Nu-Metal bands just because i dont like the genre.e.g Korn, Slipknot and SOAD.

The term Nu-metal is too generic. Slipknot and Linkin Park can not be placed in the same genre. Also, System Of A Down should really be called progressive metal, shouldn't they?

I dont think Linkin Park is Metal. Whats so metal about them. They rap. And tune to drop D but so do a thousand other bands that arent metal. Oh and yes new SOAD = (crap)Prog Metal

Most SOAD = (good) Prog metal. That's my opinion, as subjective as it may be. And Linkin Park are classified as metal, unfortunately.

I also (IMO) don't think Slipknot are nu-metal.

Oh i definately think that Slipknot are Nu-Metal. They fit the genre perfectly. Sorry about the SOAD comment i just dont like them anymore.

How do they fit the genre perfectly? They do a bit of rap in some songs but that's the only similarity I can see.

No like there riffing and song structure.And lyrics. And guitar tunings. And vocals. Nu-Metal isnt rapping.

Nu-metal usually involves rapping. I admit, Slipknot are similar to nu-metal, but not quite. They're just metal, in fact if you look at their riffing and song structure, it only strengthens my point. The riffs, solos and drums are far too complex too be considered nu-metal.

I agree about drums. But if we go into riffing then it also takes Mudvayne out of the genre for drumming too! Mudvayne has more complex structure than Slipknot will ever have!

[QUOTE=ValeOfShadows]I agree about drums. But if we go into riffing then it also takes Mudvayne out of the genre for drumming too! Mudvayne has more complex structure than Slipknot will ever have![/QUOTE]
I always found Mudvayne rather simple and mundane.

You play drums I guess.

yeh i do. But you must admit they are more complex than Slipknot after all they do get called Math Metal.

I think Slipknot are nu-metal. Mainly because no solos/short solos, simple riffs, and a DJ, which nu-metal bands like limp bizkit have.

Still, nu-metal should be broken up, Limp Bizkit and Slipknot sound totally different, mainly because of Joey's Drumming and Corey's rapping.

[QUOTE=ValeOfShadows]yeh i do. But you must admit they are more complex than Slipknot after all they do get called Math Metal.[/QUOTE]

Yea their drumming seems more diverse, but slipknot's has some nice speedy double bass action. Actually I don't know who'se more complex, slipknot's seems more to me. :confused: I suck at this.

FTW.

SOAD are devoid of any talent and are nu metal.

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They are NOT prog metal.

prog metal = Dream Theater and Into Eternity, etc.

Opeth is prog metal/prog death metal.

Other then Slipknot and Mudvayne... nu metal is to be forgotten.

I like soad alot better than slipknot and mudvayne combined. Their music is more diverse and every album shows different stuff. Well kind of.

[QUOTE=KingJay]The term Nu-metal is too generic. Slipknot and Linkin Park can not be placed in the same genre. Also, System Of A Down should really be called progressive metal, shouldn't they?[/QUOTE]

Why is SOAD progressive metal? They repeatedly reuse musical elements.

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]FTW.

SOAD are devoid of any talent and are nu metal.

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They are NOT prog metal.

prog metal = Dream Theater and Into Eternity, etc.

Opeth is prog metal/prog death metal.

Other then Slipknot and Mudvayne... nu metal is to be forgotten.[/QUOTE]

SOAD have more talent than Slipknot, I think. And Deftones are a far better band in terms of sound and talent.

I'd rather classify them speed metal than prog metal. But they have some elements from nu-metal also, so speedy nu-metal. ;)

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]SOAD have more talent than Slipknot, I think.[/QUOTE]

Yea I think so too except drummers seem kinda equal. One is faster, while other one comes up with better and more effective beats.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]I like soad alot better than slipknot and mudvayne combined. Their music is more diverse and every album shows different stuff. Well kind of.[/QUOTE]

Ssaying that both Sli8pknot and Mudvayne have evolved into different sounds.

Yea but they've all stayed heavy while soad has come up with many power balads, and have used greek-type riffs plus they don't sound as raw as they did on first album. Most slipknot's songs sound very similar. And I'm not as familiar with mudvayne's discography, but what I have heard wasn't much different than slipknot except their music is alot less distorted.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Why is SOAD progressive metal? They repeatedly reuse musical elements.[/QUOTE]
What would you class them as? They may not be prog metal but they're certainly not nu-metal.

[QUOTE=KingJay]What would you class them as? They may not be prog metal but they're certainly not nu-metal.[/QUOTE]
Oh they are definatly nu-metal. Nu-metal is vast genre. They do nothing that would make them progressive.

SOAD doesn't sound like Slipknot who doesn't sound like the Deftones who doesn't sound like Mudvayne, but they are all nu-metal.

Yeh they are definately numetal. Its the closest genre to them.

[QUOTE=guitrguy]Oh they are definatly nu-metal. Nu-metal is vast genre. They do nothing that would make them progressive.

SOAD doesn't sound like Slipknot who doesn't sound like the Deftones who doesn't sound like Mudvayne, but they are all nu-metal.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for setting the record straight. :thumb:

But alot of bands who are classed as nu-metal aren't even metal! Nu-metal is [I]too[/I] vast. How the hell can Slipknot, SOAD, and Linki Park be in the same genre?

[QUOTE=KingJay]But alot of bands who are classed as nu-metal aren't even metal! Nu-metal is [I]too[/I] vast. How the hell can Slipknot, SOAD, and Linki Park be in the same genre?[/QUOTE]

Good point there.

Slipknot could be rap metal or towards that.. Sorta like RATM except way less talented.

Linkin park I guess could be hip hop or cloes to it.

SOAD is just worthless, lol. alt rock sorta in the category of chevelle and breaking benjamin or staind?

I dont classify linkin Park as metal simple as that.

[QUOTE=guitrguy]SOAD doesn't sound like Slipknot who doesn't sound like the Deftones who doesn't sound like Mudvayne, but they are all nu-metal.[/QUOTE]
If they aren't similar at all, they can't be in the same genre.
[QUOTE=Dictionary.com]
A category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, [B]marked by a distinctive style, form, or content[/B][/QUOTE]
Nu-metal defeats the purpose of being a genre.
[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]Good point there.

Slipknot could be rap metal or towards that.. Sorta like RATM except way less talented.[/quote]
They don't use rap that much. I'd just call them metal.

[quote]Linkin park I guess could be hip hop or cloes to it.[/quote]
Agreed.

[quote]SOAD is just worthless, lol. alt rock sorta in the category of chevelle and breaking benjamin or staind?[/QUOTE]
I like SOAD, but they're hard to classify. They have alot of different styles and influences in their music.

Nu-metal is a wave, or movement, like NWOBHM. Compare Def Leppard to Iron Maiden, for instance. It isn't a genre, per se.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Nu-metal is a wave, or movement, like NWOBHM. Compare Def Leppard to Iron Maiden, for instance. It isn't a genre, per se.[/QUOTE]


We had grunge, then nu metal and now pop punk is the "trendy" type of music.

By the "nu metal" time I mean.

Back when limp bizkit was so popular and such.

If it's a movement, that brings up an interesting question. When will it end? Has it ended? Alot of bands classed as 'Nu-metal' today are completely different than nu-metal bands ten years ago. Maybe it has finished?

^^And Metalcore.

Ok, I know you guys arn't very keen on the bashing of bands... BUT THIS IS ****ING SLIPKNOT! YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!! ASIDE FROM THE DRUMMER, THIS IS ONE OF THE LEAST TECHNICAL LEAST TALENTED BANDS OUT THERE!!! When I was in my Nu Metal phase they were cool, but that was years ago.

^^Thats great. Thanx for your insight.:rolleyes: You just joined the 500 other people that came in here just to bash them.

Yep, thanks for contributing the sensible discussion. Your words will have deep meaning, i'm sure.

[quote=Porcupine_F*cker]Ok, I know you guys arn't very keen on the bashing of bands... BUT THIS IS ****ING SLIPKNOT! YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!! ASIDE FROM THE DRUMMER, THIS IS ONE OF THE LEAST TECHNICAL LEAST TALENTED BANDS OUT THERE!!! When I was in my Nu Metal phase they were cool, but that was years ago.[/quote]

F[FONT=Tahoma]u[/FONT]ck you. So you don't like Slipknot? Get out of the damn thread then. And stay out. So they're not that technical - who said it has to be technical? Simplicity is fine. And they can be technical, it's just they don't need to be to please their fans. They are obviously talented - if they wern't how did they get a f[FONT=Tahoma]u[/FONT]cking record deal, and reach platinum at least once with all of their albums? Just because you don't like them, it doesn't mean nobody else should, and those who do are retards. You are the retard for not accepting others opinions. Get the [I]fuc[FONT=Tahoma]k[/FONT][/I] out.

500 peoples enough to get this thread taken off the site. I personally think Slipknot should be one of the site's banned words.:smash:

He was asking for that one. You dont come into this thread just to bash them.

[quote=Porcupine_F*cker]500 peoples enough to get this thread taken off the site. I personally think Slipknot should be one of the site's banned words.:smash:[/quote]

I said get out. In fact, I said get the [I]fuc[FONT=Fixedsys]k[/FONT][/I] out. Now get the fuc[FONT=Fixedsys]k[/FONT] out.

[QUOTE=Leukeh]F[FONT=Tahoma]u[/FONT]ck you. So you don't like Slipknot? Get out of the damn thread then. And stay out. So they're not that technical - who said it has to be technical? Simplicity is fine. And they can be technical, it's just they don't need to be to please their fans. They are obviously talented - if they wern't how did they get a f[FONT=Tahoma]u[/FONT]cking record deal, and reach platinum at least once with all of their albums? Just because you don't like them, it doesn't mean nobody else should, and those who do are retards. You are the retard for not accepting others opinions. Get the [I]fuc[FONT=Tahoma]k[/FONT][/I] out.[/QUOTE]

That is the most fallacious argument ever. Is Ashley Simpson talented? No, then how did she get even greater commercial success? Is Slipknot better than say Testament, or Napalm Death, Arch Enemy, or less popular bands, simply because they sell better? Absolutely not. In fact, I argue because they tone down aand play such simple ****, tjhey are only more accesible to a widescale audience who can't appreciate good music.

Even if I thought Slipknot was slightly enjjoyable, there are thousands of bands who are simply so much better out there, they arn't even worth my time.

^^If they arent worth your time why are you in here talking about them. F[I]u[/I][B]c[/B]k off.