So isn't that basically everything? I mean, rock is basically the first genre of music ever.

Not rock music, just rock. Rocks. Music that came after the invention of the rock.

lol, fine, be a party pooper Nepenthe. Kage, I want to know your top 5 as well. And post-rock is considered anything that would be called post-rock by more than one person. So for example, Jesu, who are closer to drone and shoegaze, would be allowed since many sources credit them as a post-rock band. Hell, shoegaze and certain types of drone are generally lumped into the post-rock genre anyways (i.e. Earth, Grails). Even folk-y type rock is sometimes lumped in (Halifax Pier).

Just use a little common sense, and when it comes down to it, it's not the end of the earth; it's not like this is a term paper.

Haha you're right. I just need to decide which five bands to include.

I never do lists. Never have never will. My tastes jump around too much for me to ever choose any all time favorites of anything. That's why I always just say

I haven't heard my favorite band yet.

And why do you have an account on Sputnikmusic?

Anyway, Ghosts and Vodka.

For the enthralling conversation, why do you ask mr grumpy pants?

1. Kayo Dot - They literally create their own world that is terrifying, overwhelming, subtle, beautiful, dark, and seductive. The instrumentation is varied and interesting, with a lot of the key melodies being played on flute, clarinet, trumpet makes things more interesting. Dynamically they can't be beat by anyone, claiming the loudest, most horrifying sanctions of sound as their own, as well as settling into serene and peaceful grooves. They are the ultimate example of appealing to me in the three most important ways: A) Intellectually - Their uses of dissonance and unconventional melody are interesting, and obviously they incorporate a lot of different genres into their sound, but they do so organically with a sincere mastery of polar musical techniques, such that they are able to merely incorporate them all into a unique form of expression rather than a deliberate chunk of genre-hopping. But more importantly there is a strong pursuit of purity that connects to me B) spiritually and C) emotionally. I feel like I've travelled to a different place when I listen to them.

2. Godspeed You Black Emperor - It's hardly even music, more like an external reflection of emotion that goes beyond aesthetic to create an entire transcendent experience. This is one of the bands that showed me there was more to life than the tangible. That was extremely overblown, but this band means a lot to me.

3. Jesu - Justin Broadrick is one of the most genuine people making music. With his Godlfesh project, he seemed to retreat from the world, afraid to face it and instead lashed out. However, with Jesu, he uses the shoegazer aesthetic to embrace the world for what it is, both good and evil. Underneath the guck and slime of the nasty distorted chords, there is a childlike curiosity for melody that he explores, a place where the imagination can run wild amongst a world that attempts to crush it.

4. Tortoise - They aren't strung so tight as most post rock bands, and are also far more rhythmically interesting. They are jazzy in all the right ways and extremely subtle, with interesting and dynamic instrumentation. The way they write their songs is unique.

5. Pelican - Epic as all get-out, somehow combining emotionally riveting and interesting melodies into crushing density and they do so more organically than any other band of their Neurisican contemporaries.

posting is all about making lists.

Thanks for that list, Kage. It was a good read.

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2. Godspeed You Black Emperor - It's hardly even music, more like an external reflection of emotion that goes beyond aesthetic to create an entire transcendent experience. This is one of the bands that showed me there was more to life than the tangible. That was extremely overblown, but this band means a lot to me.

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5. Pelican - Epic as all get-out, somehow combining emotionally riveting and interesting melodies into crushing density and they do so more organically than any other band of their Neurisican contemporaries.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree any more. Add Isis, and you have my top three, dunno about the other two mind you.

For Kage's list, the only one I haven't listened to is Tortoise.

All the rest I've heard, and I think Pelican and Jesu are really good. GY!BE are good, but I have to be in a particular mood to listen to 20 minutes songs when a quarter of them is ambiance. As for Kayo Dot....I've only given each of their albums a couple listens, and nothing struck me that I remember, but I've been meaning to give them another chance lately.

Kayo Dot - I'm not even going to describe them, but from a musician's standpoint, Toby Driver is basically one of the more eye-opening songwriters taht I've come across. I've always heard these myths about musicians so copiously brilliant that each note they play is perfect in its own right. It's more a sensual thing that musically perfect of course, but Toby is the first musician that has actually accomplished that in my own eyes.

Russian Circles - I personally believe that this is the most powerfully crushing and conversely emotional post metal band- It's more amazing once you realize that it's only 3 guys performing. The one thing they lack is variation. Not to say that they've rewritten the same song over and over like some post rock acts, but monotony happens every once in a while.

Do Make Say Think - This is one of those bands that bucks the idea that crescendos are the main focus of post rock. They do definitely have ups and downs to their songs, but I think these musicians believe more in the individual than the overall effect. There are sections in which they perform these beautiful broad chord voicings that wouldn't be the same without a member, but as their songs develop, I think they shift the focal point from musician to musician, and they do it well so that's why I enjoy them.

Rosetta needs a mention for being brutal and simple.

Pirate Ship Quintet needs a mention too. Some people might brand them a Godspeed clone, but I personally see in the band a uniqueness similar to that of DMST, yet with a different purpose- Each musician has their particular and defined style even though their songwriting is definitely focused on dynamics and ebb and flow of intensity that is common throughout most post rock.

That was hard work.

I was debating including Rosetta, but they just barely missed the cut.

When's the new album coming out, Kage?

I like Russian Circles' drummer.

@ Mike: The last I heard was that they are aiming for sometime in September.

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You mean Rosetta's?

I so said that like 2 months ago.

You are so 2 months ago.

[QUOTE]You mean Rosetta's?[/QUOTE]
Yes

[QUOTE]@ Mike: The last I heard was that they are aiming for sometime in September.[/QUOTE]
Awesome, thank you.

I love Cult of Luna, Isis, Pelican and to a lesser extent Explosions in the Sky, but those are the only post-metal/rock bands I've heard. Could you guys perhaps suggest some bands in the same vein?

Red Sparowes
Neurosis
Russian Circles

Post-metal is boring. Post-rock is where it's at.

Quick guys, tell me which DMST album to get!

You, You're a History in Rust blows my mind.

[url]http://rapidshare.com/files/8356530/2007_-_You__You_re_A_History_In_Rust.rar.html[/url]

Top 3 of the year tbh

it's not that good

[QUOTE=Txus;14952616]When's the new album coming out, Kage?[/QUOTE]

Not meaning to bitch here, simply to help out, but Wikipedia is a grand resource for questions like that.

[QUOTE=bwnstl;14956639]Not meaning to bitch here, simply to help out, but Wikipedia is a grand resource for questions like that.[/QUOTE]

Wikipedia is often wrong.

Kage is the only infallible entity on this planet.

Damned right.