[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]You're probably right, because I've also never heard anyone refer to Opiate as their favorite. :p[/QUOTE]

Opiate, as the album, or the song. Coz that's a kick *** song

As an album. Because it's just middle of the road.

It's not "middle of the road" per se, but it's just too short to really have a fair chance at competing with their other material.

Hmm.. seems about right. It's also just straight ahead rockin'.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]It's not "middle of the road" per se, but it's just too short to really have a fair chance at competing with their other material.[/QUOTE]

It's a great album by itself, but when compared to Lateralus, Opiate is just another album.

How much true "jamming" do you guys think Tool do? They seem like a band that would pre-produce a song, get all of the riffs and lyrics together, and just say "here's how we play it." I doubt Adam could really keep up if they did do something like this, though. :p

Opiate doesn't even come close to the other ones. But I do have a question, anyone know anything about psychology, coz im having a bit of trouble remembering the 5 or so steps to acceptance. You've got grief and then the rest is just lost. Hell, the whole list or whatever is lost

Take it to the pit, buddy.

aka "I don't know"

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]How much true "jamming" do you guys think Tool do? They seem like a band that would pre-produce a song, get all of the riffs and lyrics together, and just say "here's how we play it." I doubt Adam could really keep up if they did do something like this, though. :p[/QUOTE]
It could be a mix of things. Maybe Adam will bring in a series of riffs, or some variations on one riff, that he has arranged as a song. Or maybe Danny will just start fooling around with a beat and the others will go along, and eventually it solidifies. Who knows.

The most interesting thing you could possibly learn or even witness regarding a band is how they create their songs. One of my favorite aspects about the movie Some Kind of Monster was watching Metallica listen to James (or was it Kirk) play the early form of the Some Kind of Monster riff. Then, they just start playing. I'm not really a fan or the band, or St. Anger at all, but it was fascinating to watch.

Then there are bands like The Mars Volta who have very set processes. For creating the music to Frances The Mute, Omar came up with the majority of the original music/sections and worked with each of the five other members individually. Very tight processes. And THEN they save the spacey jamming for live stuff.

Never mind, I found it. The reason I asked is because the whole Lateralus album to me sounds kind of like those 5 steps of loosing someone or something. You've got denial and isolation, like maybe Schism, feeling alone sort of and not accepting the fact. Then you've got anger, most of the songs, Ticks and Leeches and The Grudge come to mind, for bargaining maybe The Patient, saying they would walk away, and could walk away, much easier, but they're gonna "wait it out" For depression maybe Dispostion/Reflection, mention this to me, and watch the weather change, and just the whole Reflection song, leaving this place that's so blind and critical. Finally acceptance, Faaip De Oiad, finding something that was thought to be left behind forever. I dunno, just what Lateralus reminds me of.

[QUOTE=satchforever]So, after taking about a month break of actually listening to Tool, I listened to Aenima once and Lateralus a few times recently. So, it occured to me that Lateralus could've been a concept album if the track list was different. Now, I find all the Fibonacci stuff interesting, but I also think that some people look way too deep into it. Anyway, here in my opinion is how the storyline could be about a person accepting/forgetting about his past, appreciating the present life, and searching for something more in the future.

[B]Ticks and Leeches [/B] - Anger over something, possibly a relationship
[B]Schism[/B] - Failed relationship, trying to accept the failure
[B]The Grudge [/B] - Forgiveness, letting go of the past
[B]Parabol(a)[/B] - Appreciating life for what it is
[B]Eon Blue Apocalypse/The Patient[/B] - Hoping for something more in life, patience will be rewarded eventually.
[B]Mantra [/B] - A lot of people seem to group Mantra with Schism, but I think it has more to do with The Patient. What's the line that is repeated in The Patient? "I must keep reminding myself of this." That's exactly what a Mantra is for. It's just supposed to reinforce the idea behind The Patient.
[B]Lateralus[/B] - The search for something more, starting from the beginning ("...in my infancy") into finally going past the borders and really searching ("spiral out, keep going").
[B]Disposition/Reflection[/B] - Failing at the search and feeling depressed, you can't go any further. Yet, hope fills you, and you know you can go on further, defeating the depression, and continue the search into randomness until you find something.
[B]Triad [/B] - Searching
[B]Faiip de Oiad [/B] - What some view as a meaningless and humorous secret track, I view as being a humorous secret track that has a bit of significance. The track is about someone talking about Area 51, secrets the gov't doesn't want you to know, aliens, etc. Basically, he found something, just like the album was aiming for. To search until you find something.

Hey, I'm bored, and I usually don't look too deep into things like this, but it's something that came to mind. Tell me what you think, if you want. I'm just trying to stir up some type of convo.[/QUOTE]

hey man, some good trying there. i see you've tried to dig deep in. but i hate to break it to you bro, but nearly everything above is wrong...

Ticks & Leaches: Some say the record industry, some say obnoxious fans - this is another Tool song that could really be about anyone.

Schism: A quick trip to a dictionary tells us that it is a "a separation or division into factions". A major theme of the whole album is reconciliation. Many of these tracks touch on the subject, though "The Grudge" is more about the actual grudge, and "Schism" focuses more on the separation itself.

The Grudge: See Above.

Parabol: Find the meaning of Parable and you'll see (This is just my theory).

Parabola: We all know it's a geometric curve, but as far as what it is doing as the title of this song, the best theory has yet to come forward. One notion is that it approximates the shape of two bodies together, as in the lyrics of the song.

Eon Blue Apocalypse: i have no clue but i think satchforever's one is pretty acurately correct.

The Patient: i tihnk satchforever is right about the patient also.

Mantra: (Indian for a soothing melody). A 2001 interview with Maynard in the Japanese magazine "Buzz" where MJK stated for the first time in public ("a treat for the Japanese fans," he says) that the track "Mantra" is the sound of him squeezing one of his Siamese cats. The cat made such a weird noise that he immediately recorded this, played it real slow and made a track out of it.

Lateralus*: In an interview with Aggro Active (May 2001), Maynard offered this answer: "Lateralus itself is actually a muscle and although the title does have something to do with the muscle, it's more about lateral thinking and how the only way to really evolve as an artist -- or as a human, I think -- is to start trying to think outside of the lines and push your boundaries. Kind of take yourself where you haven't been and put yourself in different shoes; all of those cliches."

*Note: Lateralus is pronounced "ladder-Alice".

Disposition/Triad/Reflection: Disposition, triad and reflection are about the same thing. If you notice, at the back of your lateralus cd, you will see that the three are linked. Maynard had this to say: "They were originally all conceived as one song, but ultimately broke into three separate tracks. They never had any collective title, however."

Faaip De Oiad: Personally my favourite form the album. The title is Enochian for "Voice of God". Tell me guys, how would you feel if that was god talking? would you not be scared knowing that the all mighty lord himself was so very weak and powerless?

Note: Look at your cd in the light, focus on the guys brain. you will see that it says god in the middle of his brain (on the last page). now relate that to faaip de oiad and the beauty of lateralus will be revealed.

Cheers,

Feign.

[QUOTE]Lateralus*: In an interview with Aggro Active (May 2001), Maynard offered this answer: "Lateralus itself is actually a muscle and although the title does have something to do with the muscle, it's more about lateral thinking and how the only way to really evolve as an artist -- or as a human, I think -- is to start trying to think outside of the lines and push your boundaries. Kind of take yourself where you haven't been and put yourself in different shoes; all of those cliches."[/QUOTE]

Ugh, scary thought here, but perhaps the word Lateralus isn't the actual muscle. Maybe something that is somehow tied to the word Lateralus. In the shape of a Parabola, you have many different points that can tell you how to define a parabola. The Latus Rectum is the point inside the Parabola that will determine the position of the parabola on your quadrant.

[B]Latus[/B] Rectum= [b]Lat[/b]eral[b]us[/b]

Your rectum is a muscle, right? MJK is just fu[B][I][/I][/B]cking with us again.

D....di....did....did...Maynard just put it in our butts?

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Ugh, scary thought here, but perhaps the word Lateralus isn't the actual muscle. Maybe something that is somehow tied to the word Lateralus. In the shape of a Parabola, you have many different points that can tell you how to define a parabola. The Latus Rectum is the point inside the Parabola that will determine the position of the parabola on your quadrant.

[B]Latus[/B] Rectum= [b]Lat[/b]eral[b]us[/b]

Your rectum is a muscle, right? MJK is just fu[B][I][/I][/B]cking with us again.[/QUOTE]

haha good observation.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Ugh, scary thought here, but perhaps the word Lateralus isn't the actual muscle. Maybe something that is somehow tied to the word Lateralus. In the shape of a Parabola, you have many different points that can tell you how to define a parabola. The Latus Rectum is the point inside the Parabola that will determine the position of the parabola on your quadrant.

[B]Latus[/B] Rectum= [b]Lat[/b]eral[b]us[/b]

Your rectum is a muscle, right? MJK is just fu[B][I][/I][/B]cking with us again.[/QUOTE]

Lateral also means outside though...

[B]Lateral[/B]us

that could mean "outside ourselves"...astral projection....the whole tool thing about seeing ourselves from another point of view...hmmmm

the vastus lateralis is the muscle near your outer thigh that extends the knee.
thxgooglebye.

[QUOTE=XyleM]Lateral also means outside though...

[B]Lateral[/B]us[/QUOTE]

"...to thinking outside our boundries and to push ourselves..."- MJK.

cheers,

feign.

[QUOTE=penelope_weird_hands]the vastus lateralis is the muscle near your outer thigh that extends the knee.
thxgooglebye.[/QUOTE]


Oh ofcourse. That explains everything.





....

[QUOTE=XyleM]Lateral also means outside though...

[B]Lateral[/B]us[/QUOTE]

You mean it means sideways, or technically flat and straight.


And as for the lateralis, it is a general term for muscles that run straight across. You have them around your face, body and organs.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]hxxp://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390301

Part 2 boys and girls...

Dis/Ref/Triad Lateralus[/QUOTE]

:confused: aii.

[QUOTE=Feign]

Schism: A quick trip to a dictionary tells us that it is a "a separation or division into factions". A major theme of the whole album is reconciliation. Many of these tracks touch on the subject, though "The Grudge" is more about the actual grudge, and "Schism" focuses more on the separation itself.[/QUOTE]

Schism is about personal relationships. That's how I see it anyways.
"The poetry that comes from the squaring off between,
And the circling is worth it.
Finding beauty in the dissonance."

The things that come from fighting(to gain understanding)
Circling between two people to understand each other
Finding beauty in the difference of ourselves.

[QUOTE=Feign]
Parabola: We all know it's a geometric curve, but as far as what it is doing as the title of this song, the best theory has yet to come forward. One notion is that it approximates the shape of two bodies together, as in the lyrics of the song.[/QUOTE]

Parabol(a), if thougt about as two seperate entities meeting, forming an infinite shape. Another nod towards personal relationships.


[QUOTE=Feign]
Faaip De Oiad: Personally my favourite form the album. The title is Enochian for "Voice of God". Tell me guys, how would you feel if that was god talking? would you not be scared knowing that the all mighty lord himself was so very weak and powerless?[/QUOTE]

Well, it was actually recorded on a UFO/paranormal radioshow, called Art Bell coast to coast, or something. Many including myself consider this to be toungue in cheek humor, not to be taken seriously.

hey, that's quite interesting. Does Aenema have the same kinda messages in the songs, or is it completely different?

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]:confused: aii.[/QUOTE]
Wow... that was incredibly stupid of me... Ganna have to wait again... :upset:

Ha. It' cool. Don't worry about it.

[QUOTE]hey man, some good trying there. i see you've tried to dig deep in. but i hate to break it to you bro, but nearly everything above is wrong...

Ticks & Leaches: Some say the record industry, some say obnoxious fans - this is another Tool song that could really be about anyone.

Schism: A quick trip to a dictionary tells us that it is a "a separation or division into factions". A major theme of the whole album is reconciliation. Many of these tracks touch on the subject, though "The Grudge" is more about the actual grudge, and "Schism" focuses more on the separation itself.

The Grudge: See Above.

Parabol: Find the meaning of Parable and you'll see (This is just my theory).

Parabola: We all know it's a geometric curve, but as far as what it is doing as the title of this song, the best theory has yet to come forward. One notion is that it approximates the shape of two bodies together, as in the lyrics of the song.

Eon Blue Apocalypse: i have no clue but i think satchforever's one is pretty acurately correct.

The Patient: i tihnk satchforever is right about the patient also.

Mantra: (Indian for a soothing melody). A 2001 interview with Maynard in the Japanese magazine "Buzz" where MJK stated for the first time in public ("a treat for the Japanese fans," he says) that the track "Mantra" is the sound of him squeezing one of his Siamese cats. The cat made such a weird noise that he immediately recorded this, played it real slow and made a track out of it.

Lateralus*: In an interview with Aggro Active (May 2001), Maynard offered this answer: "Lateralus itself is actually a muscle and although the title does have something to do with the muscle, it's more about lateral thinking and how the only way to really evolve as an artist -- or as a human, I think -- is to start trying to think outside of the lines and push your boundaries. Kind of take yourself where you haven't been and put yourself in different shoes; all of those cliches."

*Note: Lateralus is pronounced "ladder-Alice".

Disposition/Triad/Reflection: Disposition, triad and reflection are about the same thing. If you notice, at the back of your lateralus cd, you will see that the three are linked. Maynard had this to say: "They were originally all conceived as one song, but ultimately broke into three separate tracks. They never had any collective title, however."

Faaip De Oiad: Personally my favourite form the album. The title is Enochian for "Voice of God". Tell me guys, how would you feel if that was god talking? would you not be scared knowing that the all mighty lord himself was so very weak and powerless?

Note: Look at your cd in the light, focus on the guys brain. you will see that it says god in the middle of his brain (on the last page). now relate that to faaip de oiad and the beauty of lateralus will be revealed.

Cheers,

Feign.[/QUOTE]good job on copying and pasting from the tool FAQ :rolleyes:

Parabol/Parabola
 

ok I've heard a couple of you guys talkin about parabol/parabola and how it could be about two people in a relationship and stuff like that, does anyone share my view that it is about one person, their mind and their body? it points right to that, eg. "so familliar and overwhelmingly warm, this one [B]this form i hold now[/B]" "choosing to be here right now, hold on, stay inside, this body holding me" "choosing to be here in this body" "regognise this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing" "this body holding me reminds me of my own mortality" "we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion"

if you have read "nothing in this book is true but it's exactly how things are" it will make a whole lot more sense, maynard recommends the book and it states that we are eternal and that if we ascend we will find a new body and keep our present consciousness, thus being eternal, but if we don't ascend we will take a new body when we die and won't take our current mind with us and will "barely remember what came before this precious moment" and be born into this earth again, still being eternal but not knowing it. also the book speaks of how we might be higher beings coming to this dimensional level of earth "choosing to be here, right now" we just don't know if we are in fact higher beings.

It's been a while since i read the book so if I have made any mistakes please correct me. All opinions are welcome, think for yourself. thanks.

[QUOTE=Feign]hey man, some good trying there. i see you've tried to dig deep in. but i hate to break it to you bro, but nearly everything above is wrong...

Ticks & Leaches: Some say the record industry, some say obnoxious fans - this is another Tool song that could really be about anyone.

Schism: A quick trip to a dictionary tells us that it is a "a separation or division into factions". A major theme of the whole album is reconciliation. Many of these tracks touch on the subject, though "The Grudge" is more about the actual grudge, and "Schism" focuses more on the separation itself.

The Grudge: See Above.

Parabol: Find the meaning of Parable and you'll see (This is just my theory).

Parabola: We all know it's a geometric curve, but as far as what it is doing as the title of this song, the best theory has yet to come forward. One notion is that it approximates the shape of two bodies together, as in the lyrics of the song.

Eon Blue Apocalypse: i have no clue but i think satchforever's one is pretty acurately correct.

The Patient: i tihnk satchforever is right about the patient also.

Mantra: (Indian for a soothing melody). A 2001 interview with Maynard in the Japanese magazine "Buzz" where MJK stated for the first time in public ("a treat for the Japanese fans," he says) that the track "Mantra" is the sound of him squeezing one of his Siamese cats. The cat made such a weird noise that he immediately recorded this, played it real slow and made a track out of it.

Lateralus*: In an interview with Aggro Active (May 2001), Maynard offered this answer: "Lateralus itself is actually a muscle and although the title does have something to do with the muscle, it's more about lateral thinking and how the only way to really evolve as an artist -- or as a human, I think -- is to start trying to think outside of the lines and push your boundaries. Kind of take yourself where you haven't been and put yourself in different shoes; all of those cliches."

*Note: Lateralus is pronounced "ladder-Alice".

Disposition/Triad/Reflection: Disposition, triad and reflection are about the same thing. If you notice, at the back of your lateralus cd, you will see that the three are linked. Maynard had this to say: "They were originally all conceived as one song, but ultimately broke into three separate tracks. They never had any collective title, however."

Faaip De Oiad: Personally my favourite form the album. The title is Enochian for "Voice of God". Tell me guys, how would you feel if that was god talking? would you not be scared knowing that the all mighty lord himself was so very weak and powerless?

Note: Look at your cd in the light, focus on the guys brain. you will see that it says god in the middle of his brain (on the last page). now relate that to faaip de oiad and the beauty of lateralus will be revealed.

Cheers,

Feign.[/QUOTE]

I love how if I try to show my views of the song, they are wrong, but if you say yours, they're always correct. Ticks and Leeches COULD be about record executives, or the fans. TO ME, it makes more sense to be about a bad relationship in the same sense as Pu**** is. Please refrain from trying to talk to me like I'm a moron, okay? I'm aware of what a schism is. Schism, TO ME, is not about reconciliation at all, but rather a failed relationship with someone who knows that any attempt to try it again will fail, but he can't let go. He knows that it was the lack of communication that ruined the relationship. Who knows what Maynard had in mind when he wrote it. The Grudge shows the senselessness of holding a grudge over something from the past. It also says to let go of the grudge. Parabol/Parabola is interesting because it could also just be about being intimate with someone. I kind of view it as a combination of being intimant, and appreciating life, but I didn't include the first part because I wanted to keep the storyline intact. :p What you quoted about Lateralus is the same thing as I said already. You also did not offer any insight whatsoever as to the meanings of Disposition or Reflection. If you're going to be a prick and tell me that my views on the song, which are just my opinions, are wrong, atleast have the courage to share your own views of the songs

SatchForever, Didn't you say you'll upload some interviews for me?Sorry, I don\t want to pressure you, but, please, if you could.thanks.

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]SatchForever, Didn't you say you'll upload some interviews for me?Sorry, I don\t want to pressure you, but, please, if you could.thanks.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, no problem dude. I'll start the upload now. I'm not sure if you've seen them yet, but I guess we'll find out soon enough, right? I actually tried YSI'ing it yesterday and it screwed up for some reason. I'll try it again though right now, hopefully I can get it for you today. :thumb: