someone clear one thing for me:

is the second hammersmith going to have a classic DT album played, or a classic album by another artist?

[QUOTE=red barchetta]someone clear one thing for me:

is the second hammersmith going to have a classic DT album played, or a classic album by another artist?[/QUOTE]
Shh.. It's a secret :cool:

[QUOTE=Unstable Mind]Where?[/QUOTE]

Graspop.

I think thats how it's spelt.

Im seeing DT on Saturday, supporting Maiden. Should alright, although i dislike some of the music.

I don't understand why "Octavarium" isn't being recommended. The only songs on the album that I have a problem with are "I Walk Beside You" becaus the chorus really kills the song, and the title track. When I bought the CD, I was hoping "Octavarium" would be the same quality as "A Change of Seasons", but heavier. Basically, I was going to be comparing it to Symphony X's "The Oddysey", a great song. It wasn't very good at all, though. In fact, there just wasn't enough variation.

But other than that, the album is great. "The Root of All Evil" was only a bit disappointing because it wasn't as heavy as I expect, but "Panic Attack" more than made up for that. Also, I love the vocals on "Never Enough" which made me feel more secure about the band because I've noticed how LaBrie's vocals have weakened as he's aged, but this song just shows that they're beating that. "Sacrificied Sons" is good, nice melody, nice instrumentals. Overall good song. It's a good album, definately more modern, which I think is good.

So if anybody wants to pick up a Dream Theater album, pick up "Octavarium" and move back.

Like I said earlier: In my Opinion Octavarium is good, but they have done better things.

i liked 'i walk beside you'... i think the chorus fits in well

[QUOTE=red barchetta]i liked 'i walk beside you'... i think the chorus fits in well[/QUOTE]

The song is clearly an attempt to get on the radio. I think what they need to do is realize that soft songs will not get them on the radio. They need to put songs like "Never Enough" and "Panic Attack", or even "These Walls" on the radio. You know, something not so **** corny. Something people actually want to hear.

i agree that never enough is a MUCH better song, but i still like it


never enough reminded me A LOT of 'stockholm syndrome' by muse

DT has got it going on... hearing and seeing their live budakon performance was intense. I dream of one day having the tone of JP's triaxis. *drools* I don't know... having that or the JMP-1 with the 100/100 tube power amp would be pretty killer too.

[QUOTE=Jovian]Have every Queensryche album from Rage for Order to Tribe.
Have every DT album from Images and Words to Train of Thought.
Have the "Yes... in a word" Box Set
Have "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" "Foxtrot" and "Selling England by the Pound" by Genesis.
Have both Mars Volta CDs.

It's safe to say that Queensryche's song formats and structures are nowhere near as complicated as the other bands listed above. Progressive rock is defined by the complexity of the song structures, odd time signatures, etc. Queensryche's music is simplistic like Neil Young and Bob Dylan compared to Yes, Mars Volta, etc.

Been avid fan of rock music and Queensryche before most of you dilweeds were even born. ;)[/QUOTE]


Er you're making a fool of yourself. You might want to shup up soon.

Question that has been puzzling me.

Back when I first got into Dream Theater (I got Scenes From a Memory from a friend, because of a post here that recommended it) alot of people on these forums said Petrucci didn't play with any emotion, he would just shred, shred, shred.
Upon hearing SFaM I kinda agreed with that, the album didn't really have any emotional solos, at least in my opinion.
These days, I feel I have listenned to pretty much everything Dream Theater have/has to offer (Bar their first album) and I believe Petrucci has alot of emotion in some of his solos.

Examples are: The intro solo to Scarred (From Awake), personally my favourite Petrucci solo, I cannot describe the emotion, but I think the way he pulls off the solo with so much perfection is brilliant.

The intro solo to Another Day (Images & Words), this was my favourite Petrucci solo, until I heard Scarred. It's like a feeling of great achievement, this is the sort of solo I usually love, I don't know why, but it's just pouring emotion in my opinion.

The intro solo to Surrounded (Also from Images & Words), although sounding a little bit cheesy (To any Australians who read this, think E-Street from like early 90's :lol: ), it sounds very similar to the solo from Another Day (To my ears at least), also giving a feeling of achievement. As gay as it may sound, I just love this solo 'technique', I guess it could be called.

The little accoustic jizz at about 4:26 in Solitary Shell (From Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence), I don't know what it is about it, but I really like this, not just the guitar, but the little piano afterwards is amazing also. I don't know if you could call this a solo, but meh, I'm adding it.

That's all I have at the moment really, but I'm listenning to more songs now to add to it, I know there are more, I just wanted to get this out. Thanks for reading :)

Hah, sorry, I realised I didn't post the question:
Why would people say that Petrucci only shreds? Is it simple because they have only listenned to the songs in which he does shred? And thus, they automatically assume he must only shred..

Petrucci is definitely not just a shredder. Of course, he does shred at times and many people think it's just boring and mindless. I appreciate this type of skill and some it still gets me going even after hearing it many, many times (ex. the solo to Metropolis Pt. 1). I think both guitar solos in "Another Day" are really quite emotional. Then again, my definition of an emotional solo or music in general is something that doesn't give you a nuetral feeling when listening to it. Emotional music should make you feel happy, or sad, or angry, it just can't make you feel nothing. Anybody think like that? I also happen to think that in "Lie", the 2nd solo starts off with a really cool and EMOTIONAL part and than moves into some much faster shredding. You get the best of both worlds with that solo! ha. So, he's definitely not just a mindless shredder. He knows when to shred and when not to. He knows what solos will fit with what backing music.

Yeah, for sure I feel the same :)

[quote]He knows when to shred and when not to.[/quote]
He forgot on Train of Thought.

My ex-best friend (I moved) hated Petrucci and said the same **** that all he does is shred. Of course, he listened to bands like Rancid and just punk stuff, which really involves no talent. So I just told him he's only saying that because he can't do it. People criticize what they don't understand. If Rancid's guitarists are stars, Petrucci is the galaxy. He can play anything they can, and write it, and then some. Who's better? You decide.

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]He forgot on Train of Thought.[/QUOTE]

Ha true. ToT had it's moments, though. SoC was amazing, regardless of constant shredding. TDS and AIA were ****ing crazy too. ITNoG was insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The rest didn't really appeal to me.

SoC was good minus the solos. ITNOG was the best song on there. AIA and TDS were decent. Endless Sacrifice was a great song. After that they sucked.

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]SoC was good minus the solos. ITNOG was the best song on there. AIA and TDS were decent. Endless Sacrifice was a great song. After that they sucked.[/QUOTE]
Train of thought makes me cry
i love it too much for anyone's good
at thier show...opening with as i am in the dark, into this dying soul, into beyond this life...i actually shed a tear.
IMO octavarium is amazing as well, slow at times but insanely sexified at all others

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]He forgot on Train of Thought.[/QUOTE]
rofl

I actually wouldn't mind getting your MSN, or ICQ if you use this old program?
You are a pretty cool guy, from what I know of you on MX.

octavarium is good by normal standards but i don't think it quite lives up to DT's standards, it definetly has its moments (panic attack, and the track after it, cant remember the name) but other than that idk.....and the title track pisses me off, 24 minuets of meh... it really is not as solid as SFAM, I&W, or 6DOIT

...IMO

[QUOTE=6-String_Slinger]octavarium is good by normal standards but i don't think it quite lives up to DT's standards, it definetly has its moments (panic attack, and the track after it, cant remember the name) but other than that idk.....and the title track pisses me off, 24 minuets of meh... it really is not as solid as SFAM, I&W, or 6DOIT

...IMO[/QUOTE]

I agree, I just can't seem to feel Octavarium as a premiere DT album. It's ok according to regular rock/metal bands out there, but it's not something I want to put in my car cd player and listen to it non-stop like I have been doing with my Pain Of Salvation albums that I've been buying recently.

[QUOTE=bball_1523]I agree, I just can't seem to feel Octavarium as a premiere DT album. It's ok according to regular rock/metal bands out there, but it's not something I want to put in my car cd player and listen to it non-stop like I have been doing with my Pain Of Salvation albums that I've been buying recently.[/QUOTE]

The thing is, while I can see how you may be somewhat disapointed with Octavarium, I find it amazingly good because of the somewhat newly established vocal presence. Honestly, ToT's vocals were weak (except for TDS), and they didn't satisfy me at all. But, the reason I enjoyed the album at all was because of the crazy instrumentals and the new-found heaviness the band brought to the table. But it was too heavy at some parts. With Octavarium, it's heavy and soft, and the vocals are perfect because they're more upfront and commanding, which LaBrie seemed to have lost in ToT because the instruments kind of took over. The way I see it, Octavarium is a perfect blend of the soft, melodic elements of 6DoIT and the heavy, fast-paced elements of ToT. On top of all of that, LaBrie has finally come in with some seriously amazing vocals.

One disapointment: Rudess' lack of a major presence, except for his few solos here and there. And for the most parts, the solos aren't very memorable, another disapointment. But overall, great DT album. Go get it.

I jsut recently got Train of Thought I'm in love with it. This is the first of their albums that i have. What would be a good ones to get?

Get Awake.

Two words to why I'm not an Octavarium fan...Sacrificed Sons...I dont know what it is but that song just bothers me

All you people are not true.


Octavarium is just about DT's best album. It show's the band is maturing. If you still want I&W or Awake then you need to grow up.


The album is each member of the bands best and most rounded performance to date and they finally work together as they haven't since KM left. This is where they should have gone after SFaM.

The title track is amazing; on the same level as A Change of Seasons.


IMO :p

how do people say SoC sucked in the solo dept? The second shred solo JP does has a magic moment that is totally un-JP.....its amazing

Can somebody on here YSI these 2 off of A Change of Seasons:

The Zeppelin Medley
Funeral For a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding

[QUOTE=satchforever]Can somebody on here YSI these 2 off of A Change of Seasons:

The Zeppelin Medley
Funeral For a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding[/QUOTE]

Dude, I uploaded Funeral for you yesterday in the YSI thread, right after you requested it. Check it out.

EDIT: NM, you said the link didn't work... :upset: