[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Thats not fair... :( This is the first time ever I wished I lived in England rather then Canada...[/QUOTE]

They're also back at Christmas. They love playing in England

:angry: :upset:

Thats not fair... Mike said thank you for your hospitality at SOTU... does that count for anything? He actually said they were coming back on their own tour, but now we see thats a lie. :upset:

[QUOTE=faith+1]where are they playing at? Me and my freind are gonna go see them, we could car pool (what a Ghey word) Hopefully they play at the FS Ampitheater.

/Dreaming[/QUOTE]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I stand before you today, with the converted.

HEAR ME NOW oh jesus, for Faith is with us all now. Can I get a hallelijah?

Now I hear the cries of the carrots my brothers....

Opeth playing at the FS amp? I would cream myself.

I'm going to try to go to the Orlando show, but its doubtful. Unless I can get somebody to take me, on a Wednesday, to an hour long+ drive to Orlando, to a Stand-up Death Metal concert, then I'm screwed. My dad may be working, so if he can't take me..........that would really suck.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Ladies and Gentlemen, I stand before you today, with the converted.

HEAR ME NOW oh jesus, for Faith is with us all now. Can I get a hallelijah?

Now I hear the cries of the carrots my brothers....[/QUOTE]
Hallelujahhhh!

[QUOTE]Hallelujahhhh![/QUOTE] haha yeah it took long enough, im still not "into" the growls yet, but his singing and the musicianship over comes any thing i dislike in the music.

The growls are more of an aquired taste. I didn't like them at first, either, but now they don't bother me. I even kind of like them.

Believe it or not, I always hated growls untill I heard Blackwater Park (song). It was love at first site.

Ya the only thing that keeps Opeth from being one of my fave bands is the throwing up in the mic part...his singing voice is beautiful and the musicianship is top notch..but I got used to Dream theater vocals I'm sure I can at least learn to tolerate the growling even if I dont like it.

BTW I saw thier new video on headbangers ball the other night....pretty good.

They shortened the song by a large quantity. Bastards.

Yeah the video is less then half the song length.

What song is it? The Grand Conjuration right.

Yes.

Im curious, I hear about this thing on lateralus by Tool that if you listen to the songs in some different order it opens up a new message? Anyone have a link or something showing me about this?

oh thanks, im checking it right now and they really shorted it a lot.

[QUOTE=Shadows Rise]Im curious, I hear about this thing on lateralus by Tool that if you listen to the songs in some different order it opens up a new message? Anyone have a link or something showing me about this?[/QUOTE]

Here's an article done by a person trying to find the alternate tracklist:

[url]http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/question/insight7.html[/url]

Mines better. Check this one out. [url]http://aiden.vzz.net/lateralus/index.html[/url]

I don't really think I believe that whole "alternate tracklist" thing. Too many things just don't work. A great concept, though.

Faith, Opeth are playing at the House of Blues in Orlando, November 9th.

[QUOTE=deathmetal]The songs are long, and there are some useless tracks, but above all they're pretty good. At least their lyrics mean something, and you have to actually listen to the music to get the meaning or whatever. It's not just some useless "I f*cking hate you" bs, but thats my own opinion[/QUOTE]


I've been listening to Tool for about 7 or 8 years and 'Lateralus' is their best work closely followed by Opiate. The way I see it, Undertow and AEnima are too long and undiscrimintating in song choices to be anything more than just 'very good' albums, certainly not the great records rabid Tool fans argue they are. As good as 'Disgustipated' is to listen to high, it should have been its own EP. I hear a bit of Led Zeppelin in this middle Tool period, but its there sorts of tracks that detract from the coherent artistic statement. Like Zeppelin there's always genre disputes - prog, rock, metal?

Unlike, say, 'Physical Graffiti', 'AEnima' isn't all songs and has a lot of crap; I like bits of 'Third Eye', but at the end of such a long album it needed to be more dynamic to hold my interest, 'Hooker With A *****' is a good track, but sitting between fillers 'Message to Harry Manbeck' and 'Intermission'. 'Die Eier Von Satan', on the other hand, is childish. It's really here in the middle this record starts to dip; it can't sustain the quality of the three killer opening tracks. I could trim this album to around an hour and lost little.

By 'Lateralus' they'd figured out pacing a bit better. There's probably a little more excellent material here than on 'AEnima', but it seems finally each song fits into the context of the album. It's not hard to figure out what they're trying to say here, but they really just play some good apocalyptic rock and roll. There's not really much wrong with it, here's hoping they do something more like 'Opiate' next time.

I just really jotted down a bunch of sentences here in some kind of logical order.

[QUOTE=Scruples]The growls are more of an aquired taste. I didn't like them at first, either, but now they don't bother me. I even kind of like them.[/QUOTE]

The Fischer Price death metal band.

[QUOTE=a8o]I've been listening to Tool for about 7 or 8 years and 'Lateralus' is their best work closely followed by Opiate. The way I see it, Undertow and AEnima are too long and undiscrimintating in song choices to be anything more than just 'very good' albums, certainly not the great records rabid Tool fans argue they are. As good as 'Disgustipated' is to listen to high, it should have been its own EP. I hear a bit of Led Zeppelin in this middle Tool period, but its there sorts of tracks that detract from the coherent artistic statement. Like Zeppelin there's always genre disputes - prog, rock, metal?

Unlike, say, 'Physical Graffiti', 'AEnima' isn't all songs and has a lot of crap; I like bits of 'Third Eye', but at the end of such a long album it needed to be more dynamic to hold my interest, 'Hooker With A *****' is a good track, but sitting between fillers 'Message to Harry Manbeck' and 'Intermission'. 'Die Eier Von Satan', on the other hand, is childish. It's really here in the middle this record starts to dip; it can't sustain the quality of the three killer opening tracks. I could trim this album to around an hour and lost little.

By 'Lateralus' they'd figured out pacing a bit better. There's probably a little more excellent material here than on 'AEnima', but it seems finally each song fits into the context of the album. It's not hard to figure out what they're trying to say here, but they really just play some good apocalyptic rock and roll. There's not really much wrong with it, here's hoping they do something more like 'Opiate' next time.

I just really jotted down a bunch of sentences here in some kind of logical order.[/QUOTE]

Good post! I agree, except that Third Eye is a great song altogether.

Just don't double post next time. :thumb:

Ænima has Tool's best songs on it, in my opinion. Yes, there's a lot of filler, but thats there for fun, you can skip it. Lateralus is an amazing album too, I like it about as much as Ænima because, as you say, it's more cohesive, but the songs in themselves don't always stick out as much to me as ones on Ænima, as brilliant as they are.

Regardless, both are two of my favourite all time albums.

As for Opiate being one of their best releases... meh. Opiate is an EP, and it's practically nu-metal. Good nu metal, but it's nothing on their later work. (I do enjoy it though) The songs lack the overall quality of their other stuff, and it's so short, so I don't know how you could call it one of their best releases up there with Lateralus. Undertow has some brilliant moments, and I enjoy it too, but again, I feel the quality of songwriting just went up to a whole other level on Ænima, filler or not.

[QUOTE=Shadius]Ænima has Tool's best songs on it, in my opinion. Yes, there's a lot of filler, but thats there for fun, you can skip it. Lateralus is an amazing album too, I like it about as much as Ænima because, as you say, it's more cohesive, but the songs in themselves don't always stick out as much to me as ones on Ænima, as brilliant as they are.

Regardless, both are two of my favourite all time albums.

As for Opiate being one of their best releases... meh. Opiate is an EP, and it's practically nu-metal. Good nu metal, but it's nothing on their later work. (I do enjoy it though) The songs lack the overall quality of their other stuff, and it's so short, so I don't know how you could call it one of their best releases up there with Lateralus. Undertow has some brilliant moments, and I enjoy it too, but again, I feel the quality of songwriting just went up to a whole other level on Ænima, filler or not.[/QUOTE]

i have hush and jerk-off off opiate, they were harsher then, but nu-metal??

Aenima is definitely their most well-done album in my eyes because it not only has brilliant prog songs, but it progresses as an album too. My favorite songs are Stinkfist, Push!t, Third Eye, and Eulogy...and all are on Aenima, so naturally that would be my favorite album.

Lateralus is a great album, but IMO it's more repetitive; every song on it sounds sludgy except for maybe Schism.

Undertow has a few quality songs, but it has some crap and poor recording quality.

Opiate is basically just a heavy rock/metal album that I listen to to get me pumped. Cold and Ugly and Part of Me are just great heavy/aggressive songs.

Toology
 

Ænima is possibly the best tool album indeed. But the thing you've gotta love about tool is their exploration with albums. Each album focuses on a specific theme and the songs of that album just simply break down those themes making it more explanatory; eg: Opiate- "Question Authority" or Lateralus- "Reconciliation/Thinking outside the lines (Lateral thinking)". Through Tool's music we get a different perspective about life as a whole. Tool is definately one of the best bands to ever exist as it gives science, psycology, philosophy a sound.

Feign.

[QUOTE=Feign]Ænima is possibly the best tool album indeed. But the thing you've gotta love about tool is their exploration with albums. Each album focuses on a specific theme and the songs of that album just simply break down those themes making it more explanatory; eg: Opiate- "Question Authority" or Lateralus- "Reconciliation/Thinking outside the lines (Lateral thinking)". Through Tool's music we get a different perspective about life as a whole. Tool is definately one of the best bands to ever exist as it gives science, psycology, philosophy a sound.

Feign.[/QUOTE]
Great first post man :thumb: .....and i agree with everyhting you said especially with the last sentence.

[QUOTE=Feign]Ænima is possibly the best tool album indeed. But the thing you've gotta love about tool is their exploration with albums. Each album focuses on a specific theme and the songs of that album just simply break down those themes making it more explanatory; eg: Opiate- "Question Authority" or Lateralus- "Reconciliation/Thinking outside the lines (Lateral thinking)". Through Tool's music we get a different perspective about life as a whole. Tool is definately one of the best bands to ever exist as it gives science, psycology, philosophy a sound.

Feign.[/QUOTE]

Welcome! :thumb:

Great post.

Hello everyone I have not been around for a little while.

So any news at all?

Its nice to see some good Tool discussion again.

Lateralus is still my favorite Tool album, followed by Ænima, but its not that close... I don't know why... but Lateralus is the best for me.