[QUOTE=repcak]once we had a dicussion about abortion, death penalty... do you remember Mandy? this was the only time we had high-quality posts ITT :D[/QUOTE]


lol yes i do remember it,not really sure what side you were on but i dont think it was mine,your still nice tho :chug:

[QUOTE=GenuineImitation]I remeber that Dylan was against abortions. For someone that felt everyone deserved a change to live, whats with his interest with the holocaust?[/QUOTE]


It was me who talked him into being against abortion and it wasnt easy,it shocked me about him and the holocaust thing

[QUOTE=Lil’ Bloodred Ridin’ Hood]lol yes i do remember it,not really sure what side you were on but i dont think it was mine,your still nice tho :chug:[/QUOTE]
i was against death penalty, but not against abortion; but i don't remeber what opinion Dylan had ...

[QUOTE=repcak]CoB discussion in the CoB Thread? are you kidding? :lol:[/QUOTE]

Yes....yes, I am.

>_>

<_<

[QUOTE=GenuineImitation]I remeber that Dylan was against abortions. For someone that felt everyone deserved a change to live, whats with his interest with the holocaust?[/QUOTE]

That does seem very ironic and hypocritical.

Well at the point im not sure whether im against death penalty or not but im deffinatly against abortion.............dont know why were talking about this now,knowing this thread theyll be an argument before the day is over with lol

This sort of thing is why we have the Politics forum.

yeah but i get angry and end up trying to cuss everybody out,its like what i say is mainly just gobldy guke or however u spell it.

That's why argueing Politics when you know you're right in your mind is generally useless. :p

If anything, I think Dylan was just begging for attention with this. Complaining about a lack of tolerance when you're in support of the racially selective killing of 6 million people just doesn't make sense to me.

Don't dish it out if you can't take it, I suppose. Hitler was a f[size=2]ucking[/size] disgrace to the human race, and why anyone would be enamored enough with the person who started such a slaughter is beyond me. But who am I to say what's right?

[QUOTE=ICB]That's why argueing Politics when you know you're right in your mind is generally useless. :p[/QUOTE]


I know your deffinatly right :thumb:

Who is this guy you're speaking of? He seems crazy. :p

[QUOTE=FolkVikingFan]Who is this guy you're speaking of? He seems crazy. :p[/QUOTE]


Hes a member that went on a nazi related spam attack and is now banned.

[URL="http://www.metalheadsagainstracism.org/"]http://www.metalheadsagainstracism.org/[/URL]

[QUOTE=GenuineImitation]Hes a member that went on a nazi related spam attack and is now banned.[/QUOTE]
Is that allowed? It shouldn't be. :confused:

it was allowed... until yesterday: [URL="http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12410814&postcount=12066"]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12410814&postcount=12066[/URL]

Now that is power man

Yeah great, now get off it.

[QUOTE=repcak][URL="http://www.metalheadsagainstracism.org/"]http://www.metalheadsagainstracism.org/[/URL][/QUOTE]

That's awesome.

\m/'s for repcak for the link to that.

[QUOTE=FuryInArt]That's awesome.

\m/'s for repcak for the link to that.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the \m/ :D

Thanks a lot for that repcak.

As I was talking to Jacob about all this last night I realized that although last night was a terrible shock to a lot of us, we should think of it as a positive experience. My eyes have been opened to how horrible the world really is, and I think we can all help in bettering it. You go through your whole life and hear about the holocaust, read about it, and see movies, but it never seems real, history never seems real. It wasn't until last night that I realized it [I]is[/I] real, and we need to try and stop this. That site is a good start. The metal community should be united, and uniting against racists and nazis is what we need to do. I don't want to live in a world with people like that, and I especially will have trouble sharing a world with people like that if I were ever to run into one (seeing as I'm a full blown Jew).

Thanks everyone for support last night, I know I was the most horrified by what happened, I think it was cool for a lot of you to stick up for me.

i only remember when i brought the topic to the "report problems" thread (some 2 weeks ago) nobody wanted to do something against racistic avatars and signatures. i was the only one. it was against "the freedom of the speech".
then i tried to convince Captain Frank Castle to change his avatar and the whole discussion ITT started once again. it needed the spam of I'm Charming that something has been done ...

About two months ago when he was Necronominon I requested he get rid of his swastika avatar. His defense was the Swastika symbol doesn't necessarily stand for Nazism. Last night I realized how that is no defense at all because it may not always symbolize Nazism, but for him it apparently does.

It is very confusing to me how someone can be a relatively normal person, both Necronominon and Dylan have been people I was friendly to and had good discussions with. You would think that when they didn't know I was Jewish all that time and they got along with me, and they would still like me when they found out I was. Racism is far beyond my comprehension. You are supposed to hate for personal reasons, I don't understand how you can hate someone for something they cannot change. They had no problem with me before hand and we got along quite well, so the fact that they would not like me after knowing just proves how horrible they really are.

Sorry but I really can't take racists seriously. It's just somthing I've never understood from the day I was born. Even when I was little, I interacted with an African American child for the first time and I could tell they looked different but I didn't hate them because I had no reason. It's just such a rediculous thing White Supremacists believe in.

[QUOTE=Moses]Sorry but I really can't take racists seriously. It's just somthing I've never understood from the day I was born. Even when I was little, I interacted with an African American child for the first time and I could tell they looked different but I didn't hate them because I had no reason. It's just such a rediculous thing White Supremacists believe in.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand it at all either. I have lived my life knowing hate as nothing other than personal hate. It was an eye opener to see how differently Frank Castle and I'm Charming treated me when they found out I was Jewish, seeing as we got along fairly well before. If that isn't ignorance I don't know what is.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]About two months ago when he was Necronominon I requested he get rid of his swastika avatar. His defense was the Swastika symbol doesn't necessarily stand for Nazism. Last night I realized how that is no defense at all because it may not always symbolize Nazism, but for him it apparently does.

It is very confusing to me how someone can be a relatively normal person, both Necronominon and Dylan have been people I was friendly to and had good discussions with. You would think that when they didn't know I was Jewish all that time and they got along with me, and they would still like me when they found out I was. Racism is far beyond my comprehension. You are supposed to hate for personal reasons, I don't understand how you can hate someone for something they cannot change. They had no problem with me before hand and we got along quite well, so the fact that they would not like me after knowing just proves how horrible they really are.[/QUOTE]
yes i remember it... he said (because i too once said something against his avatar) that this is a symbol from the buddhism, what is true. so i thought he believes in buddhism - now i know that it was a swastika for him.

maybe necronomicon and dylan won't like me now, when i say that i am a polish ... born in poland, though i changed my citizenship some 3-4 years ago to the austrian one, because i live in austria since i am 4years old.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]I don't understand it at all either. I have lived my life knowing hate as nothing other than personal hate. [/QUOTE]
thats what i think too... i can hate ppl only when i "knew" them before and have reason for hating them. in other words: you can hate only ppl, you loved before.

[QUOTE=IheartSP] It was an eye opener to see how differently Frank Castle and I'm Charming treated me when they found out I was Jewish, seeing as we got along fairly well before. If that isn't ignorance I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
they treated you differently after you said them you are a jew?! :eek:

[QUOTE=repcak]yes i remember it... he said (because i too once said something against his avatar) that this is a symbol from the buddhism, what is true. so i thought he believes in buddhism - now i know that it was a swastika for him.

maybe necronomicon and dylan won't like me now, when i say that i am a polish ... born in poland, though i changed my citizenship some 3-4 years ago to the austrian one, because i live in austria since i am 4years old.[/QUOTE]
It's sickening to think someone can like you one minute then hate you the next purely becuase of who you're parents and grandparents are. Racism is so far detatched from personal feelings that is has almost no real meaning.

[QUOTE=repcak]thats what i think too... i can hate ppl only when i "knew" them before and have reason for hating them. in other words: you can hate only ppl, you loved before.


they treated you differently after you said them you are a jew?! :eek:[/QUOTE]
Well I found out Dylan was a Nazi last night when I asked if he was half or full jewish. I saw the avatar and figured he was Jewish making a joke, becuase we've got that racial immunit to make fun of ourselves without getting frowned upon, but then I found out he actually [I]was[/I] a Nazi and I had said I was Jewish. He proceeded to make a few racist comments and that's when things spiraled way out of control.

I actually saw a Holocaust video on some of the concentration camps. It was the most horrific thing I've ever seen. It's very hard to believe it happened.

One of the most eye opening things I've seen was a video of a blonde woman tied to a chair, and she screams "Snuff Films don't exist" and she's shot in the head. It certainly looks real, though I'm not a hundred percent.

There's also a DVD from the same guys that make Bumfights and it's about terrorism. I saw the trailor and was horrified to seen a man carrying a human head and dropping it off of a front porch.

If you've ever seen Schindler's List, it's a very touching movie.