Grab a couple thumb tacks and some sheets. Hang them on your walls. You will be amazed as to how much reverberation it cuts out.

so...there's a wildfire in the hills around my city, and the authorities are expecting 40-50 mile an hour winds tonight that are going to blow the fire down the mountains. Lucky for me my house is 3 blocks away from the evacuation zone... Needless to say I'm not going to work tonight

this is the second major wildfire we've had in the last 4 months, and the last one destroyed a lot of our city. f*ck me this is not good

Are you in Cali?

I start my job tomorrow, that's not as exciting as wildfires though.

[QUOTE=Gattsu347;17224020]its a shure k27, i dont have a pop filter, but i have a wind screen. i think im gonna nix the wind screen and make a pop filter though. metal clothes hanger with panty hose stretched over them.

the biggest problem im working with right now is the sound bouncing off my walls and causing poopty reverb.[/QUOTE]

uhh what do you live in a 1x1 metal box ive never heard of that problem wtf

If you don't have much furniture or carpet or something to dampen the sound in a room it can definitely cause some nasty reverb

[QUOTE=Raayl;17224658]uhh what do you live in a 1x1 metal box ive never heard of that problem wtf[/QUOTE]
Lol reverb can happen in any non acoustically treated room. Especially in small rooms low frequencies bounce off the walls a lot, causing a very boomy horrible reverb.

You probably haven't noticed cause your room is probably big enough to reject any low frequencies in your vocals.

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17224736]Lol reverb can happen in any non acoustically treated room. Especially in small rooms low frequencies bounce off the walls a lot, causing a very boomy horrible reverb.

You probably haven't noticed cause your room is probably big enough to reject any low frequencies in your vocals.[/QUOTE]

lol look at you trying to pretend like you have any experience in what you're talking about or like i dont know

being condescending only works when you're [I]actually better[/I] at something

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;17224071]Grab a couple thumb tacks and some sheets. Hang them on your walls. You will be amazed as to how much reverberation it cuts out.[/QUOTE]
123.

Also try cover any windows in the room, they're the worst for terrible bright reverb.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17224742]lol look at you trying to pretend like you have any experience in what you're talking about or like i dont know

being condescending only works when you're [I]actually better[/I] at something[/QUOTE]
Lol look at you trying to know anything about me. :rolleyes:

FYI: I'm doing a diploma in audio engineering, it's basically required for me to know this.

And I wasn't trying to be condescending at all, so whatevs man.

if you have found a way to destroy raw vocal tracks with a KSM27 and a decent interface then i highly doubt "putting sheets on the walls" is addressing the real issue

compression

thats besides the point that room reverb isnt bad its good

and "low frequencies" occur from the resonance of vocals closer to the diaphram of the mic. most certainly not from the waves becoming fragmented from "bouncing off the walls" you should really learn your wave physics =/

adjust the settings on the mic itself, make sure you input is low enough to scream directly into it without clipping, and always angle the mic to your face more radically as you get more aggressive

i find pop filters to be useless fluff personally

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17224747]Lol look at you trying to know anything about me. :rolleyes:

FYI: I'm doing a diploma in audio engineering, it's basically required for me to know this.

And I wasn't trying to be condescending at all, so whatevs man.[/QUOTE]

lol@going to school to be an "audio engineer"

laughable academic pursuit at best, sorry =/

and it also seems like you have a lot to learn about wave physics

but thats ok, lets not be mean anymore. serious discussion time. i love you joelbassman, you know that.

is there anything more bland than art history?

[QUOTE=Raayl;17224750]if you have found a way to destroy raw vocal tracks with a KSM27 and a decent interface then i highly doubt "putting sheets on the walls" is addressing the real issue

compression

thats besides the point that room reverb isnt bad its good

[B]and "low frequencies" occur from the resonance of vocals closer to the diaphram of the mic. most certainly not from the waves becoming fragmented from "bouncing off the walls" you should really learn your wave physics =/
[/B]
adjust the settings on the mic itself, make sure you input is low enough to scream directly into it without clipping, and always angle the mic to your face more radically as you get more aggressive

i find pop filters to be useless fluff personally[/QUOTE]
That only occurs in pressure gradient mics. Mostly in the bi-directional polar pattern. I'm not sure what mic you're using, nor if the mic KSM27 is pressure operating. But yeah the proximity effect doesn't occur in any pressure operating capacitor mics, but if that isn't your type of mic, then yes I guess you're right. Maybe you should learn your mic theory :p

In most cases reverb can be very bad, especially when comb filtering occurs. Reverb is better added in the mixing stage, unless the reverb from the room is awesome.

As for the sheets, it's better than nothing. Often reverb can be caused by a bright surface(i.e. a window). So anything to dull that down will help.

Pop filters really don't do that much harm, there's barely audible change in frequency response, but to get rid of a lot of plosives and sibilance, considering how easy it is to use, it's really not such useless fluff.

Btw, don't take this as an argumentative post, I just enjoy discussing this kind of stuff.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17224752]lol@going to school to be an "audio engineer"

laughable academic pursuit at best, sorry =/

and it also seems like you have a lot to learn about wave physics

but thats ok, lets not be mean anymore. serious discussion time. i love you joelbassman, you know that.[/QUOTE]
Lol I knew that was coming!

It's not really an academic pursuit, it's like, this is what I feel like doing at this point in life, and it doesn't work out, I'll just go back to uni, and have a trade to make me money whilst having fun. Imo, it's a lot more sense to pursue audio engineering rather than playing an instrument, simply because of the massive scope in terms of career options.

I love you too. Unless you're being sarcastic, in which I still have an e-crush on you.

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17224769]That only occurs in pressure gradient mics. Mostly in the bi-directional polar pattern. I'm not sure what mic you're using, nor if the mic KSM27 is pressure operating. But yeah the proximity effect doesn't occur in any pressure operating capacitor mics, but if that isn't your type of mic, then yes I guess you're right. Maybe you should learn your mic theory :p

In most cases reverb can be very bad, especially when comb filtering occurs. Reverb is better added in the mixing stage, unless the reverb from the room is awesome.

As for the sheets, it's better than nothing. Often reverb can be caused by a bright surface(i.e. a window). So anything to dull that down will help.

Pop filters really don't do that much harm, there's barely audible change in frequency response, but to get rid of a lot of plosives and sibilance, considering how easy it is to use, it's really not such useless fluff.

Btw, don't take this as an argumentative post, I just enjoy discussing this kind of stuff.[/QUOTE]

yes as do i, no problem. lets get down to it.

my whole point (belligerence aside lol) was that i highly doubt "room reverb" is the problem. I have recorded many vocals in many types of rooms and facilities and I've honestly never had even a hint of reverb problem. I mean, if you're recording vocals acoustically right into a condenser mic, I really don't even see how its possible to reverb to the point of it ruining a track. That doesn't even make sense.

Most logically the problem is with how gattsu is handling the processing once the wave is in the box. A poor compression ratio may bring out some unwanted noise or frequencies, and the default EQ of both his computer, recording software and plugins may be conflicting. I think it'd be a waste of time to sheet the room. The problem is internal, not external.

imo.

Compression really does solve all vocal problems. A nice even compressed vocal is the difference between pro audio and amateur. Good vocals make the entire track sound at least four times better. It's the 4x rule of engineering popular music

For example, an aggressive rap vocal would do well with a nice 6:1 ratio, hard knee, and gain boost of about 5 dB. Drop the 6 to 16k range 5 dB, and the 700-1k range 2 dB. This will even out the wave, cut out the added sibilance of a gain boost, and reduce the grain from the now louder midrange. Smooth and silky.

I have no doubt this "reverb" problem is an abuse or misunderstanding of basic terminology. Studying the application of compression is the first area any new vocalist should study.

But if you want some external advice for recording in a crowded bedroom or living room/home setting, here are some fun and easy tips:

1) kill all possible electronics in the room.
2) make sure your mic is as far away from your computer as possible.
3) set the gain on the preamp to be as LOW as you possibly can. you can compress a gain boost later internally. this will cut room noise and let the vocal shine instead.
4) set the mic as high as you can on your stand
5) do not ever handle or touch the mic when recording

I'd have to agree, that maybe that is the case, his post is not much to go by.

As for reverb ruining the track, it may be again, comb filtering. Where the waves reverberating off the walls are canceling out or enforcing certain frequencies. But this is probably unlikely and unnoticeable.

In one of the studios at school, the control room/studio window was right next to where this guy was recording vocals. So they put something similar to this by the window.

[IMG]http://www.harmony-central.com/ProductImages/Large/000007902.jpg[/IMG]

That would pretty much eliminate all reverb problems.

But yeah, compression is probably an issue. I only learnt yesterday how to properly set one up. And it can be very tricky to do.

I'm gonna go get some eats, peace.

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17224817]I'd have to agree, that maybe that is the case, his post is not much to go by.

As for reverb ruining the track, it may be again, comb filtering. Where the waves reverberating off the walls are canceling out or enforcing certain frequencies. But this is probably unlikely and unnoticeable.

In one of the studios at school, the control room/studio window was right next to where this guy was recording vocals. So they put something similar to this by the window.

[IMG]http://www.harmony-central.com/ProductImages/Large/000007902.jpg[/IMG]

That would pretty much eliminate all reverb problems.

But yeah, compression is probably an issue. I only learnt yesterday how to properly set one up. And it can be very tricky to do.

I'm gonna go get some eats, peace.[/QUOTE]

thats a really clean mic setup, I like that.

and also, I'm not demeaning the importance of external factors, just trying to give some focus to the most important issues of the moment.

guys, this is the casual.

we talk about drugs, alcohol and boobs. We don't discuss music here.

^Agreed, that's sexy (EDIT: @ Raayl's post about clean mic setup)

Know what else is sexy? My new Stingray...

[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/funkmetalbass/Music%20Gear/MusicManStingRay.png[/IMG]

There's a bit of gunk I need to get off and that stand is horribly angled for pics, but you get the gist of it. For $400....diggity damn...

Very sexy man, me likey. And that's a real good price.


Just bought some elixirs, hope it's not a let down. I'm not too fussy on strings, so it should be sweet.

I don't know much about the technical side of recording vocals, the only real advice I can give on the matter is make sure you're putting a good vocal part into the microphone in the first place.

[QUOTE=gaslight;17225108]I don't know much about the technical side of recording vocals, the only real advice I can give on the matter is make sure you're putting a good vocal part into the microphone in the first place.[/QUOTE]

hahaha, lol'd irl. props.

Sex.

Boooobz.

More sex.

Drugz & Alcohol.

Boobz.

Casual.

[QUOTE=Sablate McNuff;17224898]^Agreed, that's sexy (EDIT: @ Raayl's post about clean mic setup)

Know what else is sexy? My new Stingray...

[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/funkmetalbass/Music%20Gear/MusicManStingRay.png[/IMG]

There's a bit of gunk I need to get off and that stand is horribly angled for pics, but you get the gist of it. For $400....diggity damn...[/QUOTE]

very nice, man! :thumb:

[QUOTE=Raayl;17225167]hahaha, lol'd irl. props.[/QUOTE]

Haha I'm not trying to burn anyone or anything, but you know, you wouldn't record a bass track full of mis-frets and whatnot and expect to fix it in post, singers need to be hitting the notes first and foremost.

[QUOTE=gaslight;17225202]Haha I'm not trying to burn anyone or anything, but you know, you wouldn't record a bass track full of mis-frets and whatnot and expect to fix it in post, singers need to be hitting the notes first and foremost.[/QUOTE]

no doubt brother, hear you there. well said.

w00t

Man I've heard some bad singers.

:chug: