[QUOTE=Jondur]
Well "heavy" is a very nebulous term. I'd say that in the sense of a feeling of evil and impending dread then Black Sabbath "Black Sabbath" is the heaviest things ever to be recorded. I don't think anyone has ever matched that.[/QUOTE]

I respect that. If we're talking about evil and impending dread then I would put [i]The Wreckage Of My Flesh[/i] by My Dying Bride as the heaviest song of all time. But heaviness is subjective, and I would agree that early Black Sabbath was indeed amazingly heavy.

More people need to read this. The list does need Power Metal, Hair Metal, and maybe Grindcore. That depends on whether you think Grindcore is more closely related to punk because of Crust, or if it is extremely oversimplified thrash/death metal (oversimplified because Grindcore bands often are lacking standard instrumentation, or distort so much you can't tell what the heck they're doing.)

[QUOTE=tubflogging]More people need to read this. The list does need Power Metal, Hair Metal, and maybe Grindcore. That depends on whether you think Grindcore is more closely related to punk because of Crust, or if it is extremely oversimplified thrash/death metal (oversimplified because Grindcore bands often are lacking standard instrumentation, or distort so much you can't tell what the heck they're doing.)[/QUOTE]

There's a lot of grindcore bands that are technical and have good enough production for the listener to hear everything. In fact all grindcore that I've heard has very clear riffs.

I think there's enough variety and bands to call grindcore a real genre.

shouldn't you add Industrial Metal,Grunge Metal,and Crust to the list?

[QUOTE=convulsion]shouldn't you add Industrial Metal,Grunge Metal,and Crust to the list?[/QUOTE]

This thread is for real genres, buddy.

Industrial Metal could be a real genre I suppose but there's only really Rammstein and Ministry in it.

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduk]I always laugh a little when I see this thread get brought back to the first page. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.[/QUOTE]
Remeber the good ol' times when this was stickied? :)

[QUOTE=Silenius]Remeber the good ol' times when this was stickied? :)[/QUOTE]
I do. It was quite convenient when you wanted the link.

Not everything was correct the first time around though. I remember having metalcore and stuff on there with bands like Shadows Fall on there. Either that or I'm crazy.

[QUOTE=Werny]This thread is for real genres, buddy.

Industrial Metal could be a real genre I suppose but there's only really Rammstein and Ministry in it.[/QUOTE]

Fear Factory is aswell.

[QUOTE=tubflogging]That depends on whether you think Grindcore is more closely related to punk because of Crust, or if it is extremely oversimplified thrash/death metal (oversimplified because Grindcore bands often are lacking standard instrumentation, or distort so much you can't tell what the heck they're doing.)[/QUOTE]

Well it's kind of both. Punk got more and more extreme and started turning into grind in bits and pieces, and at the same time, elsewhere, mated with metal to turn out thrash (and then death and black) which got progressively more extreme until you also had some grind there. And then just met in the middle, it seems.

[QUOTE=convulsion]
shouldn't you add Industrial Metal,Grunge Metal,and Crust to the list?[/QUOTE]

Adding crust would seem a bit redundant; we do have a whole punk forum elsewhere on the site.

[QUOTE=Bartender;11819228]Punk got more and more extreme and started turning into grind in bits and pieces, and at the same time, elsewhere, mated with metal to turn out thrash (and then death and black) which got progressively more extreme until you also had some grind there. [/QUOTE]

For proof of that, just look at all the death metal and black metal bands who are inspired by Discharge, GBH and Amebix, and then check out how many punk bands of that generation got started with Motorhead and Venom. It's impressive how much crossover exists between metal and punk, but people don't talk about it much. Why, I don't know.

prozak's on mx

since when is fear factory industrial metal

this is a really bad write up

it's pretty funny

but that's where we were years ago I guess

needs "Ozzfest Metal"

traditional heavy metal : killswitch engage

[QUOTE=GaggingOrder;18433146]needs "Ozzfest Metal"[/QUOTE]


:lol: :evil:

There's a thin line between powerviolence and grindcore that I dare not cross

because pv rules and grindcore sucks