did i just click on something i wasn't suppose to?...


that should be a song name and enless COB reads this i got dibs on it lol

[QUOTE=repcak]@MRDuCran: i downloaded Powertab and your exercises... thanks a lot.

edit:
the first shape you write is Major D:
15-12
-------13
----------12

notes: E,G,C

thats not major D (not even a major) or do you have another tuning on your guitar? i'm a little bit confused[/QUOTE]

No, it is a major shape. I wrote D because it is a D SHAPE. It's a pretty important word when dealing with arpeggios and inversions.

Play an open D chord.

e-2
b-3
g-2
d-0
a-
e-

Yes? Yes!.

Notice that that open D shape is exactly the same SHAPE as the first sweep I put in the powertab. So the first one is a C MAJOR arpeggio using the D SHAPE.

The next line is a C MAJOR arpeggio using the A SHAPE. Play an open A chord, notice the similarities in that SHAPE?

By now you should have guessed the next line is a C MAJOR arpeggio using the SHAPE of E MAJOR.

The next 3 lines are exactly the same but MINOR, so finding the 3rd of each chord, and flattening it. You will need to know where the root note is in each shape, for each string pattern to find the key.
Obviously its going to be a different voicing if you're playing a 3 string and a 4 string of the same arpeggio shape. Look:

e-12----12---
b-13----13---
g-12----12---
d--------14---
a--------------
e--------------

The first one is C MAJOR, but the lowest note is a G, which is why you need to learn where the root is in each shape, because in this case it is on the B string, 13th fret.

The second is exactly the same but with an added note at the bottom (E). They're both still C MAJOR because you're not changing any notes, just adding, and since E is already part of C MAJOR (perfect 5th), then the name remains the same.

Hope that made some sense. Don't worry if it doesn't, I wouldn't expect you to learn this stuff overnight.

ok i'm just goign to exit while i'm still a fan of the guitars before i try to understand the tabs....

[QUOTE=encmetalhead]ok i'm just goign to exit while i'm still a fan of the guitars before i try to understand the tabs....[/QUOTE]

What the hell are you talking about dude?

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]What the hell are you talking about dude?[/QUOTE]



That's what I'm wondering

i'm talking about those tabs were hard for me to understand then i tred to make a joke that wasnt funny lol

thanks Mitch... i think i now know what you mean... but i tired and will go to bed now. i will deal with it tomorrow.
gn8

[QUOTE=repcak]thanks Mitch... i think i now know what you mean... but i tired and will go to bed now. i will deal with it tomorrow.
gn8[/QUOTE]

If you need any more specific help, throw questions at me.

To answer this:

[quote=repcak]one more question to sweeping:

you, Mitch are doing it the way and Troy Stetina too.
when you have a sweep f.e.:

15p12---------12
-------13---13
----------12
u-----u--d--d--d

your sweeping is up, up, down, down, down; but i play u,u,u,d,d - is this wrong or should i play as i played before, or shall i re-learn it?[/quote]

Your way isn't "wrong". I guess I belive there's no such thing as "wrong" in guitar playing in general. Some people anchor their pinky on the body when they pick or sweep, some people say it's bad technique. I say look at Jason becker!

People give specifics about how you should pick and how you should hold the pick. I say look at Marty Friedman. Put them together and you get what? CACOPHONY!! How can people deny the awesomeness of those two.

As a general rule, if it works for YOU, and isn't painful or discomfortable or anything like that, then go for it. Of course you should try both, your way and my way, say a day on each or something, at least that way you can compare and see which one you like the best.

You could go and mimic Alexi and not pick the B string when you descend, or be like Steve Morse who alternate picks arpeggios like that with ease. It's all up to you.

Agreed.

Great Advice.

[QUOTE=chorbalan]How much is the one you're getting.
Oh, and where are you buying it from (meaning what city you're from etc)[/QUOTE]

Sam Ash in Clearwater, FL

Alexi does not pick the b-string? so he hammer-on the b-string on the 13th fret (as in your example)

[QUOTE=repcak]Alexi does not pick the b-string? so he hammer-on the b-string on the 13th fret (as in your example)[/QUOTE]

I believe so yes. I like to refer to them as "hammer ons from nowhere". I got it from Joe Satriani and I think it's an accurate term. A hammer on is usually playing another note higher up on the string, obvously being lower it would be a pull off. And again, usually it's on one string otherwise most people will pick it if it's on a different string, but then it will be called sweep picking.

You basically play the notes as normal with your left hand but just fret it a little bit harder since it's not being picked. It's quite evident on the Jan 2006 Young Guitar DVD on the demonstration of the Warheart interlude, and Towards Dead End intro, you can clearly see his hand only going in one direction, down, except when he brings it back up. It's even trasncribed in the book as all downstrokes.

e---------17h22p17----------
b-----18--------------18------
g-19----------------------19--

So he would play that Down, Down, Down, hammer on to the D, pull off onto the A, "hammer on from nowhere" on the F, and then that last D I tabbed would be the start again where you repeat. Notice he hammers from the A to the D on the high E string, most people use a downstroke on the A, then an upstroke on the high D (22nd) then pull off for a more accurate timing. I think it's these little minute changes that contribute to the sloppiness of that demonstration.

Again. hopefully I made sense in my rant but I like to explain things as best as possible first time round. To be honest, I wouldn't recommend learning this way because that 3 note legato bit at the top may lead to unaccuracy in your timing and it's not incredibly efficient to do that hammer on from nowhere when you're learning more advanced sweep picking things.

For example a 4 or 5 string:

e-19p15----------------
b---------17-------------
g------------16----------
d---------------17-------
a------------------19----
e-------------------------

If you learnt that way, it'd be weird having to play this will all upstrokes right?

Head over to [url]http://www.insaneguitar.com/mc/sweeping.html[/url] for a good guide to this stuff and again, if you need any help, I'd be happy to help out.

i started learning my first CoB song ever, Bed of Razors

O.o your first?! i thought you can play a lot of CoB songs like mitch.

im sure i could, but i never tried before ya know. Im not sure what caused me to start learning songs again, but i just did ya know :lol:


i just like the melody that much. Im not sure how fast those triplets were, but it was no problem.

Is it easy?

it was for me, yea. I didnt learn the entire song yet. Id say i nailed about 1/2 of it in 20 minutes. I didnt want to get bogged down with it, so i move on, come back, and so on.


I learned "symphony of destruction" by megadeath in like 10 minutes. I dont really like the solo enough to learn it verbatum. If i were to play a cover version, id make up my own solo


Im also working on a lot of Loomis sweeps as well

I can play Symphony of Destruction too, not the entire thing though. I rarely learn the whole song.

yea, i normally just learn the parts i like, or the parts that i think are "hard"


nowadays, i tend to learn the whole song. I kinda like playing the whole song through nowadays

thank you mitch soo much for your explanation. i didn't knew that there are "shapes" in arpeggios/sweeping. i always thought that when you play an arpeggio you just have to connect the notes in a sweep picking and its up to you... but when there are already shapes, its much easier to come with new arpeggios than i tought before. now i understand it (lucky me, that i learnt music-theory over the weekend) :thumb:

i today walked down the streets and realized that i don't play guitar long... i always thought: "i suck, but i have to be better, cause i play guitar for sooo long" - i play only for 2years and with all the breaks even less than 2 years and i practise seriously only since january/february this year :p


edit: now while practising, i indeed have a question:
20p15
--------17
------------17

on this sweep, do you roll with your middlefinger through the B and G string? i suppose you do... well, its only sloppy thats all; troy stetina plays it the way, but i want to know if you do the same and if you have problems with "rolling" the finger. its not easy to play it clean

[QUOTE=repcak]thank you mitch soo much for your explanation. i didn't knew that there are "shapes" in arpeggios/sweeping. i always thought that when you play an arpeggio you just have to connect the notes in a sweep picking and its up to you... but when there are already shapes, its much easier to come with new arpeggios than i tought before. now i understand it (lucky me, that i learnt music-theory over the weekend) :thumb:

i today walked down the streets and realized that i don't play guitar long... i always thought: "i suck, but i have to be better, cause i play guitar for sooo long" - i play only for 2years and with all the breaks even less than 2 years and i practise seriously only since january/february this year :p


edit: now while practising, i indeed have a question:
20p15
--------17
------------17

on this sweep, do you roll with your middlefinger through the B and G string? i suppose you do... well, its only sloppy thats all; troy stetina plays it the way, but i want to know if you do the same and if you have problems with "rolling" the finger. its not easy to play it clean[/QUOTE]

I often tell myself I suck too, ohhh I'm not as good as Paul Gilbert I should just die ohhhh etc but you're right, don't expect to be, you've been playing 2, me 4. Gilbert started playing fast after 8 years, Becker started at 5, Malmsteen started at 7, Vai practised for stupid amounts every day. It's sickenening to know all this but it's good to have something to aspire to.

The sweep:
Yeah I roll with my middle finger, UNLESS, it's this:

e-20p15--------------------
b---------17-----------------
g------------17--------------
d---------------17p14------
a------------------------15--
e-----------------------------

Notice the D string, there's a pull off to the E instead of playing it at the 19th fret on the A. This is the way Jason Becker plays this arpeggio and works for me when playing that higher up the neck, especially on my guitar which doesn't have great high fret access. In this case, I would use my 3rd (ring) finger to roll.

It is indeed difficult to play clean, but as always, as long as you practise it slow and clean, you'll be fine. I realllly need to practise sweep picking again, I actually suck at it!

Either way I would fret like this:

e-20p15--------------------
b---------17-----------------
g------------17--------------
d---------------17p14------
a------------------------15--
e-----------------------------
[COLOR=Black]..[/COLOR]4[COLOR=Black].....[/COLOR]1[COLOR=Black]....[/COLOR]3[COLOR=Black]...[/COLOR]2[COLOR=Black]...[/COLOR]3[COLOR=Black]....[/COLOR]1[COLOR=Black].....[/COLOR]2

It may seem strange, but that's what works best for me when sweeping.

so you sweep the 17th fret notes with your 3rd finger and do the pull-off to the 14th fret with your 3rd and 2nd/1st finger!?


my dad's firm once tried to produce guitars, but after a short time they stopped, but they still had some guitar-bodys and my dad took them home, so i plan to build my own guitar maybe this summer... lets see :D
[URL="http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/guitar01.jpg"]http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/guitar01.jpg[/URL]
[URL="http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/guitar02.jpg"]http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/guitar02.jpg[/URL]
[URL="http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/guitar03.jpg"]http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/guitar03.jpg[/URL]
[URL="http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/guitar04.jpg"]http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/guitar04.jpg[/URL]

aren't they beautiful?

Looks like Nuno Bettencourt's sig :p

You should send a body my way:D

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Either way I would fret like this:

e-20p15--------------------
b---------17-----------------
g------------17--------------
d---------------17p14------
a------------------------15--
e-----------------------------
[COLOR=Black]..[/COLOR]4[COLOR=Black].....[/COLOR]1[COLOR=Black]....[/COLOR]3[COLOR=Black]...[/COLOR]2[COLOR=Black]...[/COLOR]3[COLOR=Black]....[/COLOR]1[COLOR=Black].....[/COLOR]2

It may seem strange, but that's what works best for me when sweeping.[/QUOTE]

:eek:

Weird indeed!


Hey repack, one more things about your last post.
You said "[i]i didn't knew that there are "shapes" in arpeggios/sweeping. i always thought that when you play an arpeggio you just have to connect the notes in a sweep picking and its up to you."[/i]

The shapes all on one line of that powertab are all related to each other because they're all the same arpeggio because 1,3,5 will always make a major triad regardless of the order of the notes.

But also, it made me think you mean the order in which you play each shape. Of course if you're playing a progression, you'll need to find the appropriate shape ti fit over that chord, so using the inversions saves you from shifting position alot. But you can just use one shape and go up chromatically if you want, it just won't sound that good. :)

But if you check out "Serrana" by Jason Becker, you should find that he plays all the 3 major shapes at the beginning, but in Dmaj, instead of Cmaj like I wrote for you. So everything's the same but 2 frets up. Then he switches to Gmaj, so then you should see them same shapes again but in different places because he's outlining different chords.

i know that all the shapes on one line are the same... i talked only about the shapes, as you guessed. i slowly realize how much theory is covered in this arpeggios and what wonderful things you can too... endlessly :D

do you know franke gambale? a lot of ppl say he is the best in sweep-picking technique!

taken from his homepage:
[I]The above explanation is accurate for when one picks every note. Of course guitarists nowadays are combining sweeping, tapping, hammer-ons and pull-offs all at the same time. Sweeping is incredibly efficient and doesn’t waste any picking-hand motion. It enables different kinds of phrases to be played on the guitar. Two-octave arpeggios are a breeze once sweeping is mastered.

I believe the popular thought until I came along was that this technique was not possible. Lots of guitarists played one or two small sweep licks but that was it. I believed in it and developed it diligently over the last 22 years ( after 10 years of alternate picking prior ). I strongly urge all guitar players to develop a good sweep picking technique to incorporate it into their playing. It is as important as alternate picking and tapping and should be part of any good guitarists playing arsenal.[/I]

[QUOTE=repcak]i know that all the shapes on one line are the same... i talked only about the shapes, as you guessed. i slowly realize how much theory is covered in this arpeggios and what wonderful things you can too... endlessly :D

do you know franke gambale? a lot of ppl say he is the best in sweep-picking technique!

taken from his homepage:
[I]The above explanation is accurate for when one picks every note. Of course guitarists nowadays are combining sweeping, tapping, hammer-ons and pull-offs all at the same time. Sweeping is incredibly efficient and doesn’t waste any picking-hand motion. It enables different kinds of phrases to be played on the guitar. Two-octave arpeggios are a breeze once sweeping is mastered.

I believe the popular thought until I came along was that this technique was not possible. Lots of guitarists played one or two small sweep licks but that was it. I believed in it and developed it diligently over the last 22 years ( after 10 years of alternate picking prior ). I strongly urge all guitar players to develop a good sweep picking technique to incorporate it into their playing. It is as important as alternate picking and tapping and should be part of any good guitarists playing arsenal.[/I][/QUOTE]

Yeah theory helps tremendously in this subject.

Frank Gambale I do know yeah but his style of playing, and his music doesn't appeal to me, I like to listen to diatonic music. And alot of the time, he doesn't just do normal maj/min shapes, it's all parts of scales/modes joined together to create something else, and it might only be on 3 strings. He uses sweep picking to cross strings, which can also be referred to as Economy Picking.

I'd say if you want inspiration for this type of sweeping, Rusty Cooley is your man.
There's people that hate him becase "all he does is shred" but you cannot deny his chops are incredible.

[url]http://rustycooley.com[/url]

Find lessons, then videos, then watch, then cry. :)

If you want to be kicked in the face some more, watch:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97LTj-_8at0&search=Rusty%20Cooley[/url]

i know Rusty Cooley - who doesn't know him? ;)
and i'm one of these who don't like him, but i didn't know that he has lessons on his homepage... i will check them out, but not today. once again its getting late ... :upset:

oh... you have to pay for the lessons... eh... :upset: - ah, some are free....

Yeah he gives lessons in his hometown.
He does columns on:
[url]www.insaneguitar.com[/url]
[url]www.chopsfromhell.com[/url]

too I think. Plus, you'll find a load of other sweep picking stuff.

Here's Serrana if you haven't heard it;

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r487Hc9ENuo&search=jason%20becker[/url]