I'm not close minded. I just don't want to have anything to do with them.


20" VAULT JUST GOT HERE! YES!

Record that sucker for us.

I will, I plan on recording some drum cover videos soon.

[quote=ace76543;16367719]tbh if you never even try any drugs because you're that closed minded you're ****ing stupid and shouldn't be allowed to talk about the subject[/quote]

I've experimented with drugs. It was crap. Goodnight.

[QUOTE=ace76543;16367719]tbh if you never even try any drugs because you're that closed minded you're ****ing stupid and shouldn't be allowed to talk about the subject[/QUOTE]
for the record i have. and then i got my [size=2]s[/size]hit sorted out and realized what a waste of time (for the most part) it is. never mind the waste of money.

and tbh the "closed minded" argument doesn't apply itself too well to the issue of drug use. some things it does. like chocolate milk. but others it doesn't. like murder. "tbh if you never even try murder because you're that closed minded you're ****ing stupid and shouldn't be allowed to talk about the subject."

I agree 100%. WAR You're my hero.

i want to do you.


in other news i'm 99% sure i'm going to go with the 'stache once it grows back. i compromised and trimmed everything down the shortest it's been since i first grew it out, and i'm liking it.

that was a bad comparison.

take people who have never smoked pot before because the news tells them it's really really bad. they've heard both sides, but they choose to disregard the fact that pot isn't THAT bad for you just because society tells them to. inhaling half a gram of a plant and taking someone's life are two COMPLETELY different things

yeaa, i hate it when the news is something like:
"A Stoned Thug stabbed someone today.
this filthy druggie had drunk a litre of vodka and taken one pull on a spliff, and the spliff made him kill someone"

this was probably in The Sun

What mics/recording equipment do you have Fuzzy?

[QUOTE=ace76543;16367796]that was a bad comparison.

take people who have never smoked pot before because the news tells them it's really really bad. they've heard both sides, but they choose to disregard the fact that pot isn't THAT bad for you just because society tells them to. inhaling half a gram of a plant and taking someone's life are two COMPLETELY different things[/QUOTE]
take people who have smoked pot because their peers do it and tell them it's really really good. they've heard both sides but they choose to believe pot isn't THAT bad for you because their friends tell them to. inhaling a plant and being closed minded are two COMPLETELY different things.

Shure PG Drum mic package (3 Tom mics, Kick mic), Shure SM57 for Snare (Use it for Vocals live), AKG Perception 200 Condenser mic. I run it all into a Yamaha PA mixer (not supposed to really be used for recording) then run it into my computer (Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro). This is how I recorded my album as well.

Edit: Off to work! Be back tonight.

[QUOTE=Win A Rabbit;16367801]take people who have smoked pot because their peers do it and tell them it's really really good. they've heard both sides but they choose to believe pot isn't THAT bad for you because their friends tell them to. inhaling a plant and being closed minded are two COMPLETELY different things.[/QUOTE]

you missed my point entirely

[QUOTE=ace76543;16367843]you missed my point entirely[/QUOTE]
please explain your point.

i'm not trying to troll you. i actually am trying to see the issue from both sides, but i don't want to keep misunderstanding your posts. so please, make your case.

[QUOTE=ace76543;16367796]that was a bad comparison.

take people who have never smoked pot before because the news tells them it's really really bad. they've heard both sides, but they choose to disregard the fact that pot isn't THAT bad for you just because society tells them to. inhaling half a gram of a plant and taking someone's life are two COMPLETELY different things[/QUOTE]

Yeah how dare they not see it your way! Everyone should smoke pot because if it's not THAT bad for you, it must be harmless. Right?

basically, no matter what your stance is, pro or against, if you believe so strongly in your stance that you shun the other side completely you are a ****ing idiot

[QUOTE=Vannaroth;16367885]Yeah how dare they not see it your way! Everyone should smoke pot because if it's not terrible for you, it must be harmless. Right?[/QUOTE]

way to fail bud

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um i think so.

[QUOTE=ace76543;16367887]basically, no matter what your stance is, pro or against, if you believe so strongly in your stance that you shun the other side completely you are a ****ing idiot



way to fail bud[/QUOTE]
i have had 3 close friends die from drug use, plus everyone else around me (i deal with this stuff for a living) who's relationships with everyone around them have been torn apart as a direct result of drug use. this makes me a ****ing idiot for taking a decently strong stance in advocating drug-free lives, and pointing out people's own failures to take responsibility and make decisions for themselves?

sry i didn't realize that thanks for showing me the light.

was it use or abuse?

theres a difference.

[QUOTE=Win A Rabbit;16367929]i have had 3 close friends die from drug use. this makes me a ****ing idiot for taking a decently strong stance in advocating drug-free lives, and pointing out people's own failures to take responsibility and make decisions for themselves?

sry i didn't realize that thanks for showing me the light.[/QUOTE]

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no. if you don't get it just..i don't feel like explaining myself.

this convo is making captain straight edge very confused.

for the most part, obviously abuse.

but let's see. which of these two options is more likely to lead to abuse?
a) advocating drug-free lives, or
b) fuk ya smoking pot is fun and not that bad for you and if you have a stance against it you're an idiot

being proactive > being reactive



btw, i'd like to hear what your explanation of the line between use and abuse is, johnny. i mean, that must be engrained in british culture, too, right?

[QUOTE=ace76543;16367887]
way to fail bud[/QUOTE]

Heh, you've made an argument nobody seems to understand, and that you yourself can't even explain or justify. Bit of a blunder, really.

Damn why is it so hard for companies to email back?

I emailed Viper custom drums like 2 days ago askin for a quick quote n they still aint replied

[B]FROM NOW ON, I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD WRITE AN ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS:
[/B]1) In your opinion, Is Recreational Drug use ok? Why?

2) Is there a difference between Drug Use, and Drug Abuse? Explain Why.

3) Are Illegal Drugs, in your opinion, more dangerous than legal ones such as alcohol and tobacco?

4) how would you punish someone for taking illegal drugs, in their own home, and causing no direct harm to anyone?

my answers coming up...

1) Yes, as i feel it is someones own choice to do what they want with their bodies. however, if it gets to the point where their use is affecting other people, then it may be time to draw a line.

2) Yes their is. i would define this in a way of social acceptability. for example, going out of an evening and doing pills or coke, or getting high, with your group of mates, i feel is fine.
However, if you cannot get through a day without drugs, and have to have a spliff as you wake up, then i call that abuse.


3) this is actually very hard to judge, and i feel a bit annoyed i wrote it now...
However... i think this depends on the substance. highly addictive drugs like heroin, with a high dependency, i would judge as worse than drinking and smoking.
however, cannabis makes you far less violent than alcohol, in my experience. medically, i am unsure however.

4) As it harms no-one else, i wouldnt punish them. maybe if i felt they were harming themselves i may confiscate it.

[quote=Berk;16367953]this convo is making captain straight edge very confused.[/quote]

Quick lesson: There's no such thing as Straight Edge.
Ian Mackaye saw people messing up their lives by drinking, taking drugs and getting into fights (most of the time becuase their friends were doing it) and decided against it - he did his own thing. He went "straight" and he believed in doing so he had an "edge" on the people still drinking and fighting. Then sometime, he coined a phrase to describe his own lifestyle choices and actions; "Straight Edge".


Straight Edge is not a following, a group or little club. It's nothing more than words given to name the way Ian chose to live his life. The lifestyle itself is much deeper than the name and you're completely missing the point by saying you're Straight Edge. In order to be what is now regarded as "straight edge", you don't actually acknowledge the fact that you are as it makes the whole point void.

1) In your opinion, Is Recreational Drug use ok? Why?
No.

Recreational drug use is done primarily by youth (by definition here youth is 12-25) who rarely take a step back to look at every effect it has on themselves and those around them, rarely research the drug they are taking (including who the dealer is, what other drugs the dealer has (motivation/ease to lace the drugs), who supplied it to the dealer, etc), and their reasons for using are generally very weak and rarely thought out, mainly being done by direct or indirect peer pressure, and a feeling of needing to rebel.

2) Is there a difference between Drug Use, and Drug Abuse? Explain Why.
Yes. This line is very vague, though. According to the multiple courses I've taken on drug use (yes, I've actually taken courses), the difference is that with use, the viewed "positives" outweigh the viewed "negatives". Misuse is when both are around equal, and abuse is when the negatives start to take over. But as I explained earlier, the people taking these drugs nearly always have a different view than those around them, and they rarely take a step back to view the true effects. An alcoholic drinks, he is not addicted. A heroin junkie shoots up, he is not dependant on it. etc.

3) Are Illegal Drugs, in your opinion, more dangerous than legal ones such as alcohol and tobacco?
To group all illegal drugs into one category is quite a naive thing to do. Clearly some illegal drugs are more dangerous than others.

Believe it or not, the pot you buy on the street is generally not the same stuff that pro-marijuana studies show is "safe". There is so much lacing going on it's insane.

And the thing about illegal drugs is that you will NEVER get the exact same thing twice. There's always variation. And variation when it comes to illegal drugs is generally more unsafe than safe.

That being said, alcohol and tobacco are definately more widely used than illegal drugs, and I personally don't support either.

4) how would you punish someone for taking illegal drugs, in their own home, and causing no direct harm to anyone?
First of all, I'm not in a position to punish anyone. In the hypothetical situation where no direct harm is caused to yourself (physical health risks, increased tolerance, overdosing, mixing drugs, legal risks, physical/psychological dependance) or others (relationship damage to due using drugs alone in your home and ignoring those around you), then I suppose it's the same as staying home to read a book or play video games. But come one, seriously, it's obviously not the same. I can't answer this question.


btw, this is a helpful little checklist from one of my pamphlets:

Be honest with yourself and reflect on how your drug use may be affecting your life. The following are signs that may indicate you have a drug problem:

* Your drug use has increased since you first started using.
* You are using illegal drugs or having the same drug prescribed by more than one doctor.
* You need to take drugs to help you through new situations or social occasions.
* You can't remember things you have said or done while using drugs.
* You spend more and more time with people that use drugs.
* You cover up or lie about your drug use.
* You have problems or miss time at work or school because of your drug use.
* You have relationship problems with your spouse/children/parents because of your drug use.
* You only go to parties or places where drugs are available.
* Your drug use is causing financial problems.
* You have legal problems because of your drug use.
* You have hurt yourself or someone else while under the influence of drugs.
* You have tried to cut down or stop taking drugs but couldn't.
* You have increased risk-taking behavior (e.g. sharing needles, having unprotected sex).
* You break promises to others because of your drug use.
* Someone has told you they are concerned about your drug use.

If you agreed with any of these statements your drug use is likely causing problems in your life. The more you checked off, the more serious your drug problem may be.


/my longest post in 4 years i think

[quote=BummerJonny;16367974]1) In your opinion, Is Recreational Drug use ok? Why?[/quote]
I'm undecided. There are various pros and cons to it.

[quote]2) Is there a difference between Drug Use, and Drug Abuse? Explain Why.[/quote]
Yes

I'd say "use of drugs" is the act of taking them. "Abuse of drugs" is to use them wrongly, however that may be. One point I might make is that by that definition, abuse of drugs comes from use of drugs.

[quote]3) Are Illegal Drugs, in your opinion, more dangerous than legal ones such as alcohol and tobacco?[/quote]Thing is with legal substances such as drink is that they are readily available. It's part of the British culture to go out and drink alcohol. People barely even give it a second thought. I'd be willing to bet that more people die of drink related problems than illegal drug problems. Then again, you might say it's not a fair test.....if heroine was as readily available as a pint of Carlsberg then the results may be quite different.

Normally, I think that people can do whatever the hell they want to their bodies, as long as it doesn't affect other people (i.e, starting fights in clubs, stealing to feed an addiction) so I don't really care but then there are the friends and families who can get affected too. I don't think you can take drugs without affecting someone other than yourself.


[quote]4) how would you punish someone for taking illegal drugs, in their own home, and causing no direct harm to anyone?[/quote]

Do people need punishing? Maybe help might be a better option.



Sorry, rambling about nothing. Fun questions though - reminds me of school again :)

thanks WAR, after reading your answers i realised 4 was a bit wrongly worded,

i meant anyone but yourself :)

my bad

also, if i may pose a 5th Question:


5) Would Legalisation of a drug such as cannabis be a good thing, for the reason that strength and purity would be controlled?