ya, vinny is way talented. also, the new song they have been playing is awesome.

[QUOTE=whiteminority;13597279]Ok, I understand the relevance of what Washington was saying at the time, the growing favortism of the Federalists to Britain and Republicans to France etc., however, this would have ensured our country peace if we had chosen to stay out of the imperialism rush of the late 19th century and early 20th century. Yes it would be completely impossible to instantaneously withdraw as the superpower, yet this doesn't touch the fact that we can slowly withdraw over a period of time. It is possible to be a neutral country in today's society, please have a look at Switzerland. We need to pull out of Iraq because as Chris stated it's going down the s[size="2"]h[/size]itter anyways along with that entire region, better to get out now then have to waste more American lives. People have anger and direct military and terrorist actions at this country because we have a hand in all international affairs and allow our citizens to claim that we are the greatest nation in the world. This war on terror is nothing unique really, if during the 19th century there was the technology available today Great Britain or Prussia/Germany (depending on what part of the century) would be conducting a war on terror because of the uprisings and rebellions that would happen throughout it's colonies. I also again want to state how ignorant it is for our nation to be at with "terror". I could declare today that I am at war with racism but know that it will never be eradicated. So by declaring war on something so vague and large the government is merely setting itself up for a fall. Politicians or rednecks or flag humping people may call me a coward but I believe in cut and run I am not willing to have another soldier meet their untimely demise by Iraqi insurgency because our government is trying to create a puppet government in Iraq right now. If you do not believe that a puppet government is what is trying to be created please think about it, yes we are trying to create a government friendly to ours, but with all the violence that is occuring military officials have basically been in command of Iraq. I would rather have our soldiers home alive and our politicians called cowards because we withdrew then have more families grieving over the loss of their children/parents/siblings. Life is a bit more precious to me than power.[/QUOTE]
i would ask that you read the arguments on the other side of that opinion.

"colossus: the rise and fall of the American empire" by niall ferguson was written with one of the primary purposes being to address people such as yourself that hope the United States will withdraw from world leadership. and the guy isn't a "politician, redneck, or flag humper." he's not even American, he's from the UK, but he holds nearly the exact opposite views as you on this issue. but don't worry, he isn't just some random guy that decided to right a book:

"Niall Ferguson, MA, D.Phil., is the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History at Harvard University. He is a resident faculty member of the Minda de Gunzburg Center for European Studies. He is also a Senior Research Fellow of Jesus College, Oxford University, and a Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University."

and if you don't read the book, at least read this:

[url]http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005244[/url]

its a great introduction to/summation of the views he presents in that book.

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo;13606562]Drummer from Gospel is ridic good.[/QUOTE]

The guy from 1349 blows him out of the water.

That was an interesting read, but he had one key error. He mentioned earlier that history is more prone to multipolarity and that hyperpowers always tend to fall after a brief period, he then went on to state that by the withdrawl of America as the current "hyperpower" the world is most likely to visit a period of darkness a la the dark ages. The option of withdrawl as leader will not be the advent of a muslim hegemon, far from it. None of the countries in that region are anywhere strong enough to be able to ascend to power whatsoever. He mentioned China as the only viable Asian Tiger power that would be able to suceed the United States, however, this is incorrect because there are a few other powers in the region that could fill this void. But I digress, the point is there is no need to fill this void whatsoever, a stable balance of a series of world powers can better keep the balance than one single power. If the United States were to withdraw the global organizations that were mentioned (UN, WGO, World Bank, etc.) would have their powers increased and could successfully work as a group of leading powers able to sway world opionion granted the United States would have to cede a certain amount of power to these organizations, but that is something that would be dealt with at the time. With these organizations in power working together a balance would occur as opposed to complete cultural obliteration, as he stated in his article.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;13608754]The guy from 1349 blows him out of the water.[/QUOTE]
Psssh.

C'mon, you know it's true. Faust (or Frost...can't remember his name...) is amazing. AMAZING.

Faust, as in the dude who used to play for Emperor?

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;13608754]The guy from 1349 blows him out of the water.[/QUOTE]

He probably doesn't.

If it's Faust it's quite possible actually. Dude is fu[size="2"]c[/size]king amazing at drums. Did you get your Converge yet Pixies?

Yeah, it came in one of those sweet spray painted boxs.

I don't like how it's split at Grim Heart though.

I would of liked one of the sweet mailers, but I got one for Petitioning Forever so it's cool, and I didn't want to get that Gold, sh[size="2"]i[/size]t looked ugly. Got red/white instead. I haven't put it on the table yet but you said it's split?

Like.. Side A ends with Grim Heart and Side B begins with Black Rose.

Which in my opinion kind of ruins the build up.. but whatever, it's still Converge and it's still the best heavy **** I can think of.

F[size="2"]u[/size]ck, that sucks. I also thought the lyrics being printed on the gatefold was sort of blase. Still sick though.

I really dig how Bannon switches up how he does his lyrics every album.

Like this one seems like it's one giant song.

I like how since [I]Jane Doe[/I] each album basically seems to be a concept album.

Jane Doe is the best Converge album ever.

I love it man, but I don't think I can pick a personal favorite by them anymore.

I want to know why this album is so damn amazing. It's not humanly possible to make an album as beautiful, emotional, passionate, and brutal as this.

This is the only album I will ever say that about.

I really like When Forever Comes Crashing, that's probably my favorite.

WFCC is such a beast.

WFCC's recording quality is so ug.

ptes

pites.

i'm out to smoke weed.

catch you guys LATAR.

/'80s

i guess weed would have to be crack to be the 80s tho'

whatev

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo;13609223]WFCC's recording quality is so ug.[/QUOTE]
Remastered version is great.

I like tr00 recording quality.

Where at times it sounds like they're playing underwater?

Hell yeah. I don't know why, I but I like sketchy recording quality. Over-production really turns me off.

I hate overproduction as well, but there's a big line between over-producing an album and an album done just right.

I'm gonna have to back this statement:

Underproduced >>>>>>> Overproduced

[QUOTE=I0Play0Bass;13610382]I'm gonna have to back this statement:

Underproduced >>>>>>> Overproduced[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you know what daddy likes. Nice and raw.

:naughty: