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I'm still going for 46&Tool.


On a side-note: Last night I saw Trivium/In Flames/Shadows Fall/Mudvayne on an Ozzfest off-date. It was at Jannus Landing(THE best venue ever) in St.Petersburg(Florida). All the bands were amazing live.

[QUOTE=ThePatient]46 & Tool is probably the best one so far. Or how about Useful Idiots?[/QUOTE]

"Useful Idiots" only, or "Tool - Useful Idiots"

To whoever knows German- How do you say "new" in German? I think, for at least the next six months or so, we should have "und keine <new> Tool." Then we could change it when the new album comes out, and have the new name have something to do with the new Dualdisc album. :cool:

New = Neu

Although, in context of "und keine <new> Tool," it would be "Und Keine Neue Tool"

then you have to name it: "Und kein neues Tool" [better: "Kein neues Tool"] or "Immer noch kein Tool"

[quote=Kage]"Und Keine Neue Tool" [/quote]
when you say "und keine neue tool" you have to add something: f.e.: und keine neue tool CD

Oh...I guess I was a little off there. Does Tool even have an article?



EDIT: OH, yeah, you're right. It would be "Und kein neues Tool."

[QUOTE=Kage]Oh...I guess I was a little off there. Does Tool even have an article?



EDIT: OH, yeah, you're right. It would be "Und kein neues Tool."[/QUOTE]

you're right... tool has no article...

We'dhave to keep Und Kiene at least. Even if it is grammatically incorrect, it would lose it's allusion if we fooled around with it, you know?
[B]
Und Kein Neues Tool![/B]

Vote for this one!

hm... we can call it: "Tool - Fehlanzeige" (in engl.: negative report) but it has nothing to do with a tool-song.

@Dr. Jake Destructo: 'Und Kein Neues Tool' is grammatically correct

If we were grammatically incorrect, we'd run the risk of looking like fools to any fluent German speakers...it's like saying "And None New Tool" :p

Not literally, but you get the idea.


I like the name idea, though.

What's the difference between keine and kein?

[QUOTE=Kage]If we were grammatically incorrect, we'd run the risk of looking like fools to any fluent German speakers...it's like saying "And None New Tool" :p
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with "Und kein neues Tool" is neither incorrect nor correct. it sound only stupid... not german.

but "Immer noch kein Tool" will sound better.

It's grammar. In German, different words have articles based on if they are feminine, masculine, or neutral words. Based on that and the case in which they are used (Dativ, Nominativ, etc.), you have to add the correct ending to any adjective or word used to describe the noun. It's kind of like the difference between saying 'I' or 'Me.'


[QUOTE=repcak]with "Und kein neues Tool" is neither incorrect nor correct. it sound only stupid... not german.

but "Immer noch kein Tool" will sound better.[/QUOTE]
Even so, we're not trying to speak German, really. It's like saying 46 & Tool. That's not correct English either, just replacing one word.

[QUOTE=Kage]It's grammar. In German, different words have articles based on if they are feminine, masculine, or neutral words. Based on that and the case in which they are used (Dativ, Nominativ, etc.), you have to add the correct ending to any adjective or word used to describe the noun. It's kind of like the difference between saying 'I' or 'Me.'[/QUOTE]

i'm impressed. you know german-grammer better than me :thumb:
i never think of grammar, for me its natural to speak correctly... i suppose that's the same with you, when you speak english. when i write/speak english i have to think about grammer. in german not.

Ok, but with Immer noch kein Tool, it wouldn't really have anything to do with Tool. I know that Und Kein neues Tool is incorrect, but it's a whole lot cooler, just because it actually has something to do with Tool. :p

We should try and stay away from doing the "-" thing, like "Cool - Tool" or "Tool - Cool". It won't look good on the main page.

[QUOTE=repcak]i'm impressed. you know german-grammer better than me :thumb:
i never think of grammar, for me its natural to speak correctly... i suppose that's the same with you, when you speak english. when i write/speak english i have to think about grammer. in german not.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's right. I have to think about German grammar when I'm doing it, which is why I'm able to say all that. Hopefully someday I'll be fluent enough so I don't have to. :)

[QUOTE=Kage]Yeah, that's right. I have to think about German grammar when I'm doing it, which is why I'm able to say all that. Hopefully someday I'll be fluent enough so I don't have to. :)[/QUOTE]

hehe... you will. when did you start learning german?

[QUOTE=Otherside]We should try and stay away from doing the "-" thing, like "Cool - Tool" or "Tool - Cool". It won't look good on the main page.[/QUOTE]

So this means that your vote goes for Und Kein Neues Tool?

When I speak spanish, I have to really think about grammar beforehand. Things like using the correct conjugation, correct article, etc...It has to do with the way you learn the language, I think. With your first language, you grow up hearing it, and you know that this is the way it is supposed to sound, but when you learn a language at a later age, like say when you take a highschool language class, you get a lot more insight on the reason behind why it sounds correct.

I started learning it about three years ago. I intend to keep learning it until I'm fluent in it...and that may include a trip to Germany one of these days.


[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]So this means that your vote goes for Und Kein Neues Tool?

When I speak spanish, I have to really think about grammar beforehand. Things like using the correct conjugation, correct article, etc...It has to do with the way you learn the language, I think. With your first language, you grow up hearing it, and you know that this is the way it is supposed to sound, but when you learn a language at a later age, like say when you take a highschool language class, you get a lot more insight on the reason behind why it sounds correct.[/QUOTE]
That's true...and I've learned a lot about English in the process of learning German, actually. Because a lot of the grammar rules in English come from German, and I've been able to make connections about the actual technicalities in English that, before, I just knew sounded right.

[quote=Kage]That's true...and I've learned a lot about English in the process of learning German, actually. Because a lot of the grammar rules in English come from German, and I've been able to make connections about the actual technicalities in English that, before, I just knew sounded right.[/quote]

yeah, that's true.

[quote=dr. jake destructo]When I speak spanish, I have to really think about grammar beforehand. Things like using the correct conjugation, correct article, etc...It has to do with the way you learn the language, I think. [U]With your first language, you grow up hearing it, and you know that this is the way it is supposed to sound, but when you learn a language at a later age, like say when you take a highschool language class, you get a lot more insight on the reason behind why it sounds correct.[/U][/quote]

well, i don't know what my first language is: i was born in poland, so i can speak fluent polish. with 5yrs we emigrated to austria and i started to speak german (fluent); with 8-10 everybody at school has to learn english (not fluent :lol: ); from 15-18 i had latin (i hated it - i forgot everything), and i want to learn french (fluent) someday.

in fact, i'm able to speak german better than polish, though its my motherlanguage! why? cause i never went to school in poland... the only 'contact' with this language is through my parents and my grandparents + family i'm visiting 2x a year for only 1week. so my polish is a very simple and easy one.

Can we all just vote on our favorite name so far? I think its easier then making a new thread with a poll and what not... Lets all just say it.

just make a thread ..ffs
it doesn't have to have a fancy name.
as long as people know it's a purely tool related thread.

People will vote anyway. Theres been a constant influx of noobs who won't listen to us.

Ok. So when does the voting start?
I've already got my choice.
*coughFortySix & Tool*cough

haha.

mx noobs = tool noobs.

thats what you should call the thread.

Die Eier Von Tool for me.

Im past caring about the name personally.

In other news, i wore my Tool shirt yesterday when I went into town, and was asked by half the shopkeepers about my age about the album release date.

I think the UK must be full of closet tool fans, as most of them i knew had never shown any real toolaship before.

For me it's really between either "-TOOL-" or "FortySix & Tool"
i think I'm gonna go for the non-lame one, but then again 46&Tool is so witty...