What kind of sound does a Zildjian ZXT 18" China produce?
My friend has a friend who's selling 1 in very good condition and i just wana no if its worth checkin out?!

[QUOTE=Bowler]What kind of sound does a Zildjian ZXT 18" China produce?
My friend has a friend who's selling 1 in very good condition and i just wana no if its worth checkin out?![/QUOTE]

bad go for a wuhan or an AA

Wuhan, A, AA. All are good. ZXTs are more expensive than wuhans, and sound gongy.

[QUOTE=Cocaberry]A general use hi-hat. BTW, what weight are the stage hats?[/QUOTE]

General use hi-hats? Zildjian New Beats....

K dude. Really. Shut up.

Just kidding ;).

On another note, tried out my 22" A Ping ride today. It's a fine cymbal, good ping to it, a bit of wash, great bell. My 22" K Heavy has yet to come in, and that's when the final decision will be made. I also tried another 21" A Sweet ride, and I think I'll be picking one up. Probably the best crash I've *ever* heard out of a ride cymbal, just sounds really great, like a 21" A Medium crash would if they made them that big. I loved it. I also tried the 21" A Rock ride again, and decided it doesn't really compare to the Ping and Sweet. 20" A Ping was, again, disappointing.

One thing I have come to notice about A 18" Medium Thins is they all have a slight hum to them when crashed. There's the initial "PSSSSSH" but the entire time there is also an underlying "hmmmmm" undertone.

That was the cymbal related extent of my trip to the store today.

Sounds like you had a good trip. What is your cymbal setup (or at least the one you generally use) anyway?

14" A Mastersound hats, 18" A Medium Thin crash, 10" A splash.

Used to be larger and more extensive but you've caught me in the middle of an overhaul ;).

So I want to replace my crappy 16" ZBT crash.

Crash
Blends as opposed to cut.
Brightish.
Medium to long decay.
Good for crash-riding. Not to be confused with playing like a ride.

I understand, Im at that point where I am questioning everything. Thanks though.

Mike Goes Numb, bright cymbals cut. Dark cymbals blend. You can't blend and sound bright at the same time really. I would go with a 19" K Dark crash Thin.

FL3P, my old setup had 14" HH Regular hats, 16" HHX Stage crash, 18" AAX Bright crash, 20" HH Medium ride, 17" A Custom Fast crash, 10" A Custom splash, and a borrowed 16" AA Suspended Orchestral.

The new lineup yet to come (next few weeks) is 22" A Ping ride (probably), as well as the 21" A Sweet ride (today's test convinced me to get it instead of a 20" A Thin crash, as it has the crashability, spread, and ride capabilities that the Thin wouldn't), 18" A Medium crash, 18" A china High.

Later on I'll add in a 12" A splash, 13" A New Beats, etc.

Would a Sweet ride suit me for a main?

I want a ride I can slam on, but get some great sharp sound from too.

I was mainly thinking the Sweet, but I may need a bit more sharpness from it.

I just need something more than a K Custom Dry Light.

Shank the bell, and you'll get a cutting sharp sound. Ride the top of the bow for a piercing ping, ride the bottom of the bow for a washy tone, and crash the edge for a massive crash you can really lay into.

I didnt like the sweet rides that I have heard but I can understand how they would make a great crash. Im on an A Custom kick but one of these days I need to compare some As and A Customs again and see what I think.

I did, and I made the wholesale switch to As.

One of these days I'm special ordering a bunch of custom Sabians though :thumb:. Probably a set of 5.

Ive been playing around on the Zildjian site and found some of the As sound nice on there. I remember when I first tried a Ping ride, I didnt think there was much of a ping. Back then I wanted to hear that ping but now I think Id like the mix of wash and ping that it seems to have going on. Why did you swich from Sabian in the first place?

It was more of a "I bought Zildjian, bought Sabians because it was an offer I couldn't refuse, sold it all, and went for what I really loved" kind of deal :lol:. I think most people are a little taken back by the wash on ping and rock rides... What they don't realize is that wash helps project the ping, and when playing with guitars, all you hear is that ping, ping, ping.

Sweet rides and 22" Ping rides compliment each other well. The Sweet ride has a wash that you can really work with, from a gentle base to a deafening roar, and doubles as a huge crash. Like the jazz adage, "every crash needs to be a ride and every ride needs to be a crash". The Ping ride is more one-dimensional and straight forward. It has massive cut, and a killer bell. Playing both you have everything you could ever want.

In fact, I think if I had to minimize a setup it would be Mastersounds and those two cymbals.

I would consider the ping ride again now I think but I havent seen one around in a while to try against the one I have now.

What do you have now?

On another note, I'm very excited for next couple of weeks. Should be more than doubling my cymbal collection. :thumb:.

I have an A Custom medium ride and I must say that its a very nice ride. However I have been thinking more about trying some good old raw, natural sounding cymbals lately. I still like the A Customs and might try and mix and match and see what I come up with.

A Customs sound too shimmery and glassy. As have a fuller tone, a nicer cut, look nicer, and have more presence and bite imo.

[QUOTE=FL3P]Ive been playing around on the Zildjian site and found some of the As sound nice on there. I remember when I first tried a Ping ride, I didnt think there was much of a ping. Back then I wanted to hear that ping but now I think Id like the mix of wash and ping that it seems to have going on[/QUOTE]
I have the 20" Ping and I will defend it against the naysayers. It does have ping enough, balanced by a moderate amount of overtone. It's a good all-around ride. If you expected a thrash-metal type of extremely dry, metallic ping you'll be disappointed though.

However, don't forget that as with all cast cymbals, it depends on the individual cymbal.

I will agree for the most part. I have changed just about everything about my kit this past year and still diont feel like I am satisfied. I just went from one snare drum to four and have more gear then I know what to do with. It never ends I tell ya! And yeah you should be excited about geting those ny cymbals, sounds like you have a good plan.

Yeah, I totally agree man. I just found those cymbals weren't what I wanted, dug in, and found that I was really after some natural, bright, versatile sounds.

I tried the 18" A medium crash on the site and have tried the medium and medium-thin crashes a few times at stores. The idea of looking at a 20" ping, 18" medium thin and 18" medium and maybe even new beats ( I also have the 14" A Custom Mastersounds) is getting more tempting every time I hear of or hear good old As again. I just got the 18" china high and its exactly what I needed.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]General use hi-hats? Zildjian New Beats....[/QUOTE]

New beats? Out of AA Regular hats and AAX Stage hats?

I have an 18" A Medium Thin crash, and an 18" A Medium crash is one of my purchases I'm talking about. They are all fantastic. 20" Pings have good definition if playing with a band, I would still recommend the 22".

How does the bigger size affect the ping ride? Does it make the ping stronger or is the bigger one more washy? I like to crash my ride but still like a nice strong ping. I also want to be able to play softer stuf with it.

It dries the cymbal out and adds volume, so yes, there is less wash. Neither 20" or 22" Ping ride is crashable.

Really? I thought they were quite crashable, they even sounded very washy on the website. Its been a while since Ive heard one for myself.

Crash potential is about more than just wash FL3P. It's about weight, bow, and bell size as well. You get more of a gong out of Ping rides, whereas Sweet rides actually can be mistaken as a crash that got marked wrong in my opinion.

Yeah but I didnt find there to be much ping at all with the sweet ride. The ride I have has is good for both so Im not in a big hurry to switch but Im just trying to find my options.

Sweet rides don't have that much ping in comparison to others, they are more blended and versatile. Generally you'll find pingy rides crash like crap, and washy rides crash well because in most cases the washy rides are thinner, and the pingy rides are heavier. Weight and profile are *huge* factors in crashability of rides.

Because the A Customs are thinner and more shimmery they tend to crash well but of course if you dont want that shimmery sound then its harder to find that versatlity. Of course its always tough to find that perfect ride.

It's impossible to find the perfect ride. It can be perfect for a situation, but never perfect. I'd like a ride that has volume capabilities that range from soft as a whisper, to deafeningly loud. I want it to have a perfect ping in the bell, a sharp cut when shanked, a bow that near the bell is ultra-dry and pingy, a lower bow that is the ultimate in controllable wash, and all in a cymbal that has a great crash. I'll never find one.

It's easy to find those sounds in other cymbal series though, there are heavy and thin A Customs, just like there are heavy and thin As.

I have thought of having two rides as well but theres only so much room. I like your idea of having the sweet ride and ping ride.

I'll show you how I'll have it mounted up when I get it set up, I'll post some pics. It actually works spectacularly. It doesn't take up that much room, adds extra sounds and versatility.

Cool man, I look forward to seeing your new setup.

[QUOTE=playwithfire]It dries the cymbal out and adds volume, so yes, there is less wash. Neither 20" or 22" Ping ride is crashable.[/QUOTE]
If you want the sound of a crash being crashed, then no. But if you want the sound of a ride being crashed. ...

That's not usually an enjoyable sound. There's a reason it's called "crashability" not "ride-being-crashed potential". Most rides being crashed sound like gongy pieces of crap, somewhere in between Crash County and Gong Land in it's own little country called Garbage.

[QUOTE=playwithfire]That's not usually an enjoyable sound. There's a reason it's called "crashability" not "ride-being-crashed potential". Most rides being crashed sound like gongy pieces of crap, somewhere in between Crash County and Gong Land in it's own little country called Garbage.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but there are times when a heavy ride can be crashed and that sound can be useful.