[QUOTE=Wow]I fail to see a lot of emotion from Saetia, actually. Sure there's exceptions (1:50 on Some Natures ftw) but yeah. And after watching live videos, I fail to see the emotion even more. It's more just like Billy has a voice that sounds sad but he isn't.


Artsy hardcore. Feel free to drop some knowledge bombs on me.


Edit: I wasn't saying ANYTHING against you, Dfelon. I don't give a sh[b][i][/i][/b]it if you bash icecreamxcore, hell I bash icecreamxcore. It's a stupid joke band but I have fun in it. All I said is that a lot of people don't know as much as some people think and that Trophy Scars shouldn't be on the list. I fail to see where it got personal.[/QUOTE]

I agree with the Trophy Scars thing but crying doesn't alwaysequal emotion. Torn used that bulls[b][i][/b][/i]hit argument already, what seperates emo from hardcore is that the bands cried onstage Saetia's emotion comes from the blend of introspective picking lines and emotional vocals (I don't agree, Billy's vocals are very emotional in my eyes). Dashboard has a song in which Chris cries, does that make it emo?

I never said anything about crying, I said that I fail to see a lot of emotion. Indian Summer are emo and they never cried (maybe in woolworm, but I think they only did that live).

Right, but you see how this is semantics. Let's take Slayer and System Of A Down. They're both metal. Sure one is more metal than the other but they still both fit under metal.

System Of A Down are a different type of metal. One is metal, one's nu-metal.


Saetia is a different type of hardcore. One's an artsy hardcore band, one's an emotional hardcore band.

[QUOTE]originally posted by [B]Wow[/B]
[I]Clikatat Ikatowi and Antioch Arrow screamo? What the hell?[/I][/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call bands like that screamo to..They are sometimes harder and faster than other emo bands but I agree with you that they are not screamo. My opinion is that there is a certain difference between "hardcore-emo" bands (thats what I call bands like CLikatat and Antioch) and screamo-bands. But most of the times I put them both under the file; screamo.

But actually I wasn't saying anything about the screamo-list, just about the emo-list.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]The Saetia thing is bulls[b][i][/i][/b]hit. Torn left, remember? I don't want to hear "Saetia is an extremely emotional hardcore band, not an emo band," that's bulls[b][i][/i][/b]hit. I mean, you can be picky to a point. I could go through every hardcore band and say "Blacklisted is a heavy, fast punk band not a hardcore band." Every single band on that list has enough emotion to the point where there should clearly be a diffrent sub genre for them.[/QUOTE]
That is one of the most rational thoughts in that whole argument. Bravo.

Imaginary rep to cb.

Can we all just get along? Where is the love?

[QUOTE=Saturday Supercade]The list is indeed just a guideline, so don't come complaining if your favourite emo-bands aren't on that list..the list is correct (well, except for Trophy Scars maybe). And yes, the late 80's and early 90's emo is differrent from the newer emo like Electric Ocean mentioned, but that doesn't mean the newer emo isn't emo at all. Every type of music evolves over the years even if it is just a little bit. And you wouldn't call Still life, Indian Summer, Rites of Spring, Native Nod etc original emo-bands?? Because those bands are on the list to.
Maybe it wasn't really nice of Dfelon to call you a noob, but so far you haven't proven otherwise.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, I did jump this situation in a harsh manner and probably shouldn't have introduced myself like this, but apparently I've made a big splash, no? Eh, back on to topic..I didn't say that Still Life, Indian Summer, Rites of Spring, etc etc wasn't original emo..If I'm not mistaken, I think I told him that he barely has any actual and/or original emo bands listed. He's leaving out so many of the actual ones and posting a list that is misinforming. I don't believe that I'm the smartest thing to have ever walked the planet when it comes to music, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who have read that list and believed it word for word because a moderator of 4 years posted it. I believe misinforming people is why the genres have become more generic and unoriginal than actual and original. I'm not trying to stir up and piss off a pot of people who have been here for a long time/years..because I'd love to converse with everyone on here, share opinions, etc etc..but I guess coming on to this thread knocked up my nerve because I'm constantly hearing people say they listen to screamo and then list bands like UnderOath, Dead Poetic, Emery, etc etc..I have no problem with those bands, but the genre screamo is not their style. And basically, that's sorta the point I was pointing out when I first posted..except it was in reference to emo bands and screamo bands..But anywho, I've read his post to me and I am going to compile a list for him in which I think seems fit, hell, you could even have a 'vote' from the people on here stating their opinions on if they think my list is credible or acceptable. I'm here to share my knowledge and opinions, just as you and everyone else is, and I'm sorry to have instigated something like this. My post was not meant to be taken in a bad way and I can see how some people could take it wrong, and for that, I appologize.

I like mediocrityXkills.

[QUOTE=Wow]System Of A Down are a different type of metal. One is metal, one's nu-metal.
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Not to change the subject, but the other day while on myspace I noticed someone saying in the music forums that System of a Down should go grindcore...

I've never had a really good definition of grindcore other than the fact that most songs are really short and fast paced, etc etc. Judging by that, I could see some similarities in why they said that about System of a Down, but when it comes to song lengths, I don't. Either or..I don't like System of a Down regardless, I just wanted to know if you knew anything about it since this topic was sorta brought up.

There is nothing grind about SOAD.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21]I like mediocrityXkills.[/QUOTE]

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I thought he might be a stubborn, elitist as[b][i][/i][/b]shole, but his last post shows he obviously not.

I thought the same thing. But I like him.

[QUOTE=mediocrityXkills]Not to change the subject, but the other day while on myspace I noticed someone saying in the music forums that System of a Down should go grindcore...

I've never had a really good definition of grindcore other than the fact that most songs are really short and fast paced, etc etc. Judging by that, I could see some similarities in why they said that about System of a Down, but when it comes to song lengths, I don't. Either or..I don't like System of a Down regardless, I just wanted to know if you knew anything about it since this topic was sorta brought up.[/QUOTE]

This is a definition from another thread, read it and check out some of the bands listed.

[quote=shane italian]Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore or Tech Metal, meaning they're more complex in the musical writings and tend to be more organized.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, **** and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed...[/quote]

Well, the only bands that I knew of in the genre that most would agree with are Napalm Death..which is I guess the most known for it? I love The Locust regardless of their terrible costumes..hah..The other day someone was arguing on a thread of mine on my group on myspace called 'screamo/hardcore/metalcore music!!!' about The Locust not being grindcore and he went into a huge discussion on it..etc etc and ended it with saying that the genre that comes closest to describing them would be Screamo..

but anyways, thanks for the post, I'll be sure and download some of the other bands' stuff. For the most part, do you think they'd all be in Soulseek?

Yeah you shouldn't have much trouble finding that stuff on Soulseek and yeah, I guess you could argue that The Locust aren't straight up grind in a Napalm Death sort of way, but they are pretty close and it's basically debatable like the "which bands are emo" argument that just went on.

Man Icecream core is so lame in comparsion to Draculacore.

At least Nick and the middle eastern know how to play insturments.

Plus, Draculacore isn't from Ohio.

lolz, ohio.

That's why we liked icecreamxcore. It takes no effort whatever to play. If you ask people who have been there when we record it, we usually just improvise all of it.


But yeah it is lame. We got really tired of doing it. I don't know why we keep going.

[QUOTE=Wow]That's why we liked icecreamxcore. It takes no effort whatever to play. If you ask people who have been there when we record it, we usually just improvise all of it.


But yeah it is lame. We got really tired of doing it. I don't know why we keep going.[/QUOTE]

whuteva u say mr. ohio.

I just figured out that every singe song by The Locust only adds up to one hour of music. I'm not sure if this is completely true but it's somewhere around there.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Just kidding. How about Wow, and mediocrity make up their own list and email it to me. GaleriansX at aol.com. Don't organize it in this forum do it through AIM.

Trophy Scars is on there because they're a post-hardcore band that emulates emotional hardcore at times. There are a lot of similar elements and I frankly think they're better than any emo band, excepting maybe Circle Takes the Square. I think people coming to this thread deserve to hear them so I can just move them to the section with Blood Brothers, which I think does them a disservice. DISSSSSS. Yah.

But other than that this argument needs to end. You guys are all punks. I'm glad there's some fire in here though.

Also, I haven't checked that list. I don't even really like City of Catepillar so I just let Buddy and shane name them in whereever they see fit. I only have 5 songs of theirs so I figured I'd let the "experts" do it. Also, that was a year ago.[/QUOTE]



I'll work on a list myself and send it to you. I believe your aim is your forum name so I'll send it to you over that.

I agree, I prefer Trophy Scars over most emo (besides Rockets And Blue Lights. <3 midwest indie-ish emo) but just 'cause a band emulates Emotional Hardcore doesn't mean they are and should be on the list.

I'll work on the list now. Have it to you soon.

i just listened to trophy scars for the first time and i agree with dfelon they have got enough of the emo element to qualify for the list...
thats just my opinion...
im not saying i dont want to see the new list if it doesnt make it on the thread will someone please email to me at
[email]used334@hotmail.com[/email]
thanx

Dfelon, unban me for old times sake.

When people come on here thinking Taking Back Sunday, Hawthorne Heights, etc. are emo/screamo, the list in this thread is a great starting point.

When you first learn about something, you don't learn everything about it extensively. You learn the general idea of it and then go back and refine your information. When people come on here, first they realize they have no clue what the hell emo is, then they look at the list. It gives them a good starting point and they can make their own decisions from there.

Point is, don't use the list and the definitive list/"be all, end all"/bible for emo, and don't say, "Why isn't [I]this[/I] band on the list? What the hell? They're are so emo," or "Why is this band on it? They are not emo. They are [I]post-hardcore[/I]."

Some genres overlap, and with some bands, you don't have to be too specific. Just listen to the music and make your own judgement. The list here is at least a good step-up from what most people think of emo. The vets here don't really need that list as a guideline anymore, so there really is no need to make such a big deal about it.

Well, me and Wow just spent 30 minutes bickering over Saetia.

Dude why did change your avatar? The old one was so much better....

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]The real question is why did the server have to crash and garble my avatar?[/QUOTE]
That sucks

[QUOTE=mshort813]When people come on here thinking Taking Back Sunday, Hawthorne Heights, etc. are emo/screamo, the list in this thread is a great starting point.

When you first learn about something, you don't learn everything about it extensively. You learn the general idea of it and then go back and refine your information. When people come on here, first they realize they have no clue what the hell emo is, then they look at the list. It gives them a good starting point and they can make their own decisions from there.

Point is, don't use the list and the definitive list/"be all, end all"/bible for emo, and don't say, "Why isn't [I]this[/I] band on the list? What the hell? They're are so emo," or "Why is this band on it? They are not emo. They are [I]post-hardcore[/I]."

Some genres overlap, and with some bands, you don't have to be too specific. Just listen to the music and make your own judgement. The list here is at least a good step-up from what most people think of emo. The vets here don't really need that list as a guideline anymore, so there really is no need to make such a big deal about it.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you 100%

The list we're doing lists every style of emo there is and gives good examples of bands from each style. It's a better one than what's listed now and will help people just as much if not more. I wanted to change it to correct all of the mistakes and Dfelon decided to go into detail about all the styles which I think is a GREAT idea. It's good times.


Sorry if I'm not making sense. Distracted.

[QUOTE=Wow]The list we're doing lists every style of emo there is and gives good examples of bands from each style. It's a better one than what's listed now and will help people just as much if not more. I wanted to change it to correct all of the mistakes and Dfelon decided to go into detail about all the styles which I think is a GREAT idea. It's good times.


Sorry if I'm not making sense. Distracted.[/QUOTE]

It is a good idea. Its gonna be a good list.

It's a really good idea, and should clear up alot of the confusion with the different styles.

Make sure In/Humanity is on there under Emo Violence. :p

Hahahaha

In/Humanity f[B][I][/I][/B]ucking owns. So does Love Lost But Not Forgotten.

I know both are great bands.

[QUOTE]originally posted by [B]RetiredAt21[/B]
[I]I like mediocrityXkills[/I][/QUOTE]

yeah, maybe he isn't that bad after all.
And im kinda curious how his version of the list looks like.

And of course Wow's version of the list..

Yeah, I'm eagerly awaiting to see the lists.

I think everyone should compile a list of about 10 emo and 10 screamo bands and they should be compiled and voted on which bands go on the list.