No that's entirely my point, if you have perfect chemical balances you shouldn't be on medication. As much a pseudo-science psychology is, I'd advocate that over medication. If you have a shitty life, the solution is to improve it, not to take medication and pretend you don't have a bad life.

lol that's what I'd prefer to do tbh

I don't have the character to work on life

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;15653495]If you have a poopty life, the solution is to improve it, not to take medication and pretend you don't have a bad life.[/QUOTE]

This x1000.

Well society needs to move forward in understanding larger social problems which cause 1/2 of the population to be depressed or anxious, but at the same time, it is possible to improve your life to some degree by yourself. Hopefully improving it a little bit can give you ties to society at large so that you can be supported in your efforts and then you can actually solve your problems without popping pills.

There's only so much a psychologist can tell you.

You can have all the theory to meet people and make friends, but still be too shy to do it and hence be lonely and sad. imo.

[QUOTE=Superpeer;15653537]There's only so much a psychologist can tell you.

You can have all the theory to meet people and make friends, but still be too shy to do it and hence be lonely and sad. imo.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you do have to want to change your life enough to act on theory.

At the same time, introvertedness is mroe rooted in social constructs than any physiological basis, so there should be a greater emphasis on creating the proper social environments to not cultivate problems. But you can't change your social upbringing now, so the only option for someone in your situation would be on an individual basis unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future;15653408]<3 the Superpear.

Sweet, I just realized my infraction is done. I need a new one.

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Mine expired a few days ago


I agree with Vince ITT

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;15653548]Yes, you do have to want to change your life enough to act on theory.

At the same time, introvertedness is mroe rooted in social constructs than any physiological basis, so there should be a greater emphasis on creating the proper social environments to not cultivate problems. But you can't change your social upbringing now, so the only option for someone in your situation would be on an individual basis unfortunately.[/QUOTE]

True, I wish I would've been more social when I was younger. ):

Now it's all just awkward.

[QUOTE=Superpeer;15653606]True, I wish I would've been more social when I was younger. ):

Now it's all just awkward.[/QUOTE]

yeah but even if you miss the chance to explore in a safe environment you can still explore.

I mean, yeah, maybe it will be awkward and maybe it will be discomforting at first, but the longer you wait to become socially interated, the harder it will be to do so. Your best bet is to start being more social and learn to live with the discomfort until it's no longer uncomfortable =)

It's way too early to be thinking about this sh[size=2]i[/size]t.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;15653621]yeah but even if you miss the chance to explore in a safe environment you can still explore.

I mean, yeah, maybe it will be awkward and maybe it will be discomforting at first, but the longer you wait to become socially interated, the harder it will be to do so. Your best bet is to start being more social and learn to live with the discomfort until it's no longer uncomfortable =)[/QUOTE]

That.

[I]Or[/I] I could pop some pills. :D

Then again, though. Most people annoy me too much for me to even wanting to be sociable towards them. But I want to fit in for the few people who are worthwhile.

as more and more people become drug-sedated zombies the social problems become even bigger as they propagate that mindset to their children though.

you're becoming part of the problem jelle! :(

But my physical health was suffering. :(

I WANT TO BE HEALTHY FOR ONCE

Depression debates from the side of the unexperienced irritate the shi[SIZE="2"]t[/SIZE] out of me.

I can't stand the fact people want to debunk clinical depression as nothing, especially when they have not experienced it.

Oh man, Jelle, I love that avatar.

I was going to mention that :)

[QUOTE=Superpeer;15653690]But my physical health was suffering. :(

I WANT TO BE HEALTHY FOR ONCE[/QUOTE]
You'd feel about a thousand times better if you cleansed, ate healthy, stopped doing drugs, and became more social.
[QUOTE=guitrguy;15653699]Depression debates from the side of the unexperienced irritate the shi[SIZE="2"]t[/SIZE] out of me.

I can't stand the fact people want to debunk clinical depression as nothing, especially when they have not experienced it.[/QUOTE]
I really, [I]really[/I] hope you're not trying to imply I've not experienced clinical depression.

I'm implying you may have experienced situational depression.

I'm pretty sure he has be diagnosed with clinical depression Brian :/

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;15653726]You'd feel about a thousand times better if you cleansed, ate healthy, [B]stopped doing drugs[/B], and became more social.[/QUOTE]

Smoking pot doesn't cause depression fool.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15653736]I'm implying you may have experienced situational depression.[/QUOTE]
I'll forgive you for being extremely incorrect in your estimation.


kod: diagnosis is bunk anyways. if i tell a doctor i have clinical depression they're like 90% likely to agree and diagnose me with it. whether or not i'm diagnosed should have far less bearing on the relevance of my opinion than my experiences do.

[QUOTE=Kingofdudes;15653741]I'm pretty sure he has be diagnosed with clinical depression Brian :/[/QUOTE]

If he got over it with out medication, then its not clinical.


I'm sorry Vince, but you;re argument is insulting to people who truly do suffer form clinical depression and need the the medication. You seem to want to demonize the patient an doctor for trying to reinforce the [I]natural[/I] deficiency in serotonin.

I've it before I smoked pot, I have while I socialize, and I have when I try to eat healthy. Once I added medication into the mix I was able to get my depressiion under control.

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15653748]Smoking pot doesn't cause depression fool.[/QUOTE]
No but clearing your body of things that aren't naturally in it will make you feel better period.
[QUOTE=guitrguy;15653754]If he got over it with out medication, then its not clinical.[/QUOTE]
Haha I still think about killing myself at least every month I'm by no means over it. But that aside that's the most preposterous myth ever.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;15653758]No but clearing your body of things that aren't naturally in it will make you feel better period.
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That's complete speculation.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I have/had clinical depression but i've never really been diagnosed.

Then how can you come off claiming you know better when it sounds like you don't have it in your control?

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;15653758]No but clearing your body of things that aren't naturally in it will make you feel better period.[/QUOTE]

touche

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;15653758]No but clearing your body of things that aren't naturally in it will make you feel better period.[/QUOTE]

Well should I cut my vitamin intake?

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15653754]
I'm sorry Vince, but you;re argument is insulting to people who truly do suffer form clinical depression and need the the medication. You seem to want to demonize the patient an doctor for trying to reinforce the [I]natural[/I] deficiency in serotonin.

I've it before I smoked pot, I have while I socialize, and I have when I try to eat healthy. Once I added medication into the mix I was able to get my depressiion under control.[/QUOTE]
My argument is insulting to people who accept the medicalization of depression as a cure-all solution and it demonizes the medical industry for good reason. The drug industry invents new diseases all the time. How were you tested for a natural deficiency? Did they examine the balance of chemicals in your brain when you were healthy and happy and determine that you should be happier still? Or did they just decide you sounded unhappy and put you on medication?

2nd post: Because regardless of whether or not I have depression I can grasp that some of it is my fault, some of it can be fixed through my own actions, and that taking drugs does more harm than good. I would be willing to bet I have more severe depression than most people here except maybe Jelle, but that doesn't mean I believe running to doctors is the way to fix it.

3rd post: probably not. most supplements are supplementing naturally occuring chemicals in your body that it requires to function.
[QUOTE=Ghoul Hunter;15653765]That's complete speculation.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I have/had clinical depression but i've never really been diagnosed.[/QUOTE]
Well, not completely. Anecdotal though, granted.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;15653784]My argument is insulting to people who accept the medicalization of depression as a cure-all solution and it demonizes the medical industry for good reason. The drug industry invents new diseases all the time. How were you tested for a natural deficiency? Did they examine the balance of chemicals in your brain when you were healthy and happy and determine that you should be happier still? Or did they just decide you sounded unhappy and put you on medication?[/QUOTE]I actually when in on my own because I had the syomptom of depression with no reason to be feeling them. I had to try different prescription for I found one that works for me. I'm not claiming it to be a cure-all, I claiming medication to be a an aspect of treatment.
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2nd post: Because regardless of whether or not I have depression I can grasp that some of it is my fault, some of it can be fixed through my own actions, and that taking drugs does more harm than good. I would be willing to bet I have more severe depression than most people here except maybe Jelle, but that doesn't mean I believe running to doctors is the way to fix it.[/QUOTE]Maybe your paranoia of prescriptions are a result of your depression. As I said before its not a cure-all, its supposed to help even your mood out sound you can more effectively deal with the problems that have exacerbated the depression.

hey guys whats crackin

[QUOTE=guitrguy;15653800]I actually when in on my own because I had the syomptom of depression with no reason to be feeling them. I had to try different prescription for I found one that works for me. I'm not claiming it to be a cure-all, I claiming medication to be a an aspect of treatment.

Maybe your paranoia of prescriptions are a result of your depression. As I said before its not a cure-all, its supposed to help even your mood out sound you can more effectively deal with the problems that have exacerbated the depression.[/QUOTE]
But it isn't an aspect of treament. Obviously if you have a chemical deficiency, pumping that chemical into your brain will fix it to a degree. But doctors don't bother to ask if that's the right thing to do. Maybe it's not a good thing to pump chemicals into your brain. Maybe you'd be better off fixing other problems with your life that would completely resolve the lack of the chemical. Just because you don't think you had any reasons to be sad doesn't mean you didn't. Were you under 18? Because that's enough of a reason to cause depression you can't explain. Also, you didn't answer. Were the chemicals ever tested, or was word of mouth enough? Did the doctor tell you medicine would fix it because you had a chemical imbalance without ever testing the chemicals?

My refusal to accept drugs is a consequence of one of my mental problems but probably not depression. I'm not saying it doesn't fix things and make them all dandy for some people, I'm questioning whether or not popping pills is an acceptable cure for depression, and my answer is no, it's not.

I'm about to start working on my paper.

Guys, I'm wearing girlpants for the first time in like a year.

I have a resume to type and a major advanced networking/troubleshooting 201 test to study for.

Niether of which I'm doing.

i had saturday school today but the fire alarm went off so the teacher let us out an hour early

in other news idk why i like making album covery things for stuff that doesn't exist

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heavy metuhl

Elim you should make the cover for the album I'm working on.

Did you get the link? I couldn't rep you.

I got it. It's downloading.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;15653827]But it isn't an aspect of treament. Obviously if you have a chemical deficiency, pumping that chemical into your brain will fix it to a degree. But doctors don't bother to ask if that's the right thing to do. Maybe it's not a good thing to pump chemicals into your brain. Maybe you'd be better off fixing other problems with your life that would completely resolve the lack of the chemical. Just because you don't think you had any reasons to be sad doesn't mean you didn't. Were you under 18? Because that's enough of a reason to cause depression you can't explain. Also, you didn't answer. Were the chemicals ever tested, or was word of mouth enough? Did the doctor tell you medicine would fix it because you had a chemical imbalance without ever testing the chemicals?[/QUOTE]No they weren't tested. They would have to do a brain tap (I forget the proper medical term) for that. I have been dealing with it since I was in middle school. I'd had friends in school, I was never bullied, and I have loving parents. I've never been abused. If its not a chemical depression, then I don't know what would be the reason. But I found a prescription thats works, and started self-therapy. The combination of both has left me a more confident and happier person. I'm not saying that what works for me works for everyone, but I see no reason for medication to not be an acceptable treatment.
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My refusal to accept drugs is a consequence of one of my mental problems but probably not depression. I'm not saying it doesn't fix things and make them all dandy for some people, I'm questioning whether or not popping pills is an acceptable cure for depression, and my answer is no, it's not.[/QUOTE]
Thats still not enough to make a blanket conclusion for other people.

pate do u have a title yet