Hey, Cain, as long as I'm thinking of it, I turn to you for some advice.

I'm trying to find some (comparitively) easy Satch songs, but am turning up nill so far.

I could also use some songs that would be good for practicing tapping. I'm so dominantly left-handed that it's giving me a lot of problems. The main reason I ask you is because you're the least likely to suggest something like Metallica, since you know my tastes better than that.

[QUOTE=Slug]Yea, plus that show is 55 bucks.

I hear that Zakk really tears it up live, and this is at a small club.[/QUOTE]

My recommendation would easily be for the Black Label show. You're likely to have a drunken headbanging time there, and Zakk is undeniably a top-notch player.

EDIT: Steerpike: Well, Satriani really isn't much of a tapper, to be perfectly honest. He taps about the same amount as he alternate picks, which is just about never these days. The only tapping lick he pulls is really the one where he taps a trill with the side of his pick, holding the edge perpendicular to the fretboard. His legato style is one where his left hand carries all the notes around Holdsworth style, like a "ball of mercury," is how he describes it. It's also my primary soloing influence: slippery slides, position changes, and exclusively hammering on and pulling off are all Satch trademarks.

The first Satch song I learned was "Up in the Sky," off Crystal Planet, because that was based around a killer riff: the solo isn't much to freak out over. After that...I'm not really sure. To be honest, every Satch legato lick became easy after I learned the crazy descending run in "Rubina," because he pretty much reuses that same style of position shifting and playing whenever he embarks on a legato run. "Always with Me, Always with You" has a pathetically easy tapping thing in it, and "Raspberry Jam Delta V" has a REVERSED tapping lick, in which the right hand frets the B note on the G string (fourth fret) and Satch uses his left hand to hammer-tap notes higher up on the G and B strings with the B notes acting as pedal tones. Nice and show-offy.

But Satch is really not a good tapper. A far more virtuosic tapper is Steve Vai, but a ton of his runs are ridiculously convoluted and hard to keep track of. What I tend to do is tap along the scale while I'm doing an average legato thing on the left, so it's like some "super legato" thing. And to be honest, the best example I could give you for this type of thing is probably Reb Beach of the band Winger, or perhaps some Andy Timmons.

[QUOTE=Iai]That mean yes or no? :confused:
[/QUOTE]

It means no, unlettered one!

Iai:

Korn: Nu-METAL
Rammstein: Industrial METAL
Green Day-just no
Kyuss-actually haven't heard them
System Of A Down-again I think they're metal, though they are awesome
Tool-yes

[QUOTE=Cain]My recommendation would easily be for the Black Label show. You're likely to have a drunken headbanging time there, and Zakk is undeniably a top-notch player.[/QUOTE]

Sounds good to me. I havent been to a really heavy show yet, so I am excited.

Here are my estimated weekly song charts (I don't have an audioscrobbler dealy):
Les Miserables soundtrack: 13,000
Everything else: 0

I have no friends... :upset:

Tool are hard to place. If this was best Modern band in the A&I forum, I'd say, yeah go for it. But the fact is, they aren't completely rock or metal. It's hard. Maybe a yes, though, if they weren't in the metal bands poll.

[QUOTE=Lunch]Here are my estimated weekly song charts (I don't have an audioscrobbler dealy):
Les Miserables soundtrack: 13,000
Everything else: 0

I have no friends... :upset:[/QUOTE]

You should come to some shows with me, man.

Steerpike: Well, Satriani really isn't much of a tapper, to be perfectly honest. He taps about the same amount as he alternate picks, which is just about never these days. The only tapping lick he pulls is really the one where he taps a trill with the side of his pick, holding the edge perpendicular to the fretboard. His legato style is one where his left hand carries all the notes around Holdsworth style, like a "ball of mercury," is how he describes it. It's also my primary soloing influence: slippery slides, position changes, and exclusively hammering on and pulling off are all Satch trademarks.

The first Satch song I learned was "Up in the Sky," off Crystal Planet, because that was based around a killer riff: the solo isn't much to freak out over. After that...I'm not really sure. To be honest, every Satch legato lick became easy after I learned the crazy descending run in "Rubina," because he pretty much reuses that same style of position shifting and playing whenever he embarks on a legato run. "Always with Me, Always with You" has a pathetically easy tapping thing in it, and "Raspberry Jam Delta V" has a REVERSED tapping lick, in which the right hand frets the B note on the G string (fourth fret) and Satch uses his left hand to hammer-tap notes higher up on the G and B strings with the B notes acting as pedal tones. Nice and show-offy.

But Satch is really not a good tapper. A far more virtuosic tapper is Steve Vai, but a ton of his runs are ridiculously convoluted and hard to keep track of. What I tend to do is tap along the scale while I'm doing an average legato thing on the left, so it's like some "super legato" thing. And to be honest, the best example I could give you for this type of thing is probably Reb Beach of the band Winger, or perhaps some Andy Timmons.

EDIT: The reason this question is hard for me to answer is because I've been tapping almost since I started playing, because I don't play with a pick and tapping was the easiest really fast, show-offy thing that I could do. It sounds lame, but I learned about tapping and got my primary chops by learning Van Halen songs like Eruption and Ice Cream Man.

I should really check out some Satriani.

I just tend to get bored with that type of music easily.

[QUOTE=Cain]EDIT: Steerpike: Well, Satriani really isn't much of a tapper, to be perfectly honest. He taps about the same amount as he alternate picks, which is just about never these days. The only tapping lick he pulls is really the one where he taps a trill with the side of his pick, holding the edge perpendicular to the fretboard. His legato style is one where his left hand carries all the notes around Holdsworth style, like a "ball of mercury," is how he describes it. It's also my primary soloing influence: slippery slides, position changes, and exclusively hammering on and pulling off are all Satch trademarks.

The first Satch song I learned was "Up in the Sky," off Crystal Planet, because that was based around a killer riff: the solo isn't much to freak out over. After that...I'm not really sure. To be honest, every Satch legato lick became easy after I learned the crazy descending run in "Rubina," because he pretty much reuses that same style of position shifting and playing whenever he embarks on a legato run. "Always with Me, Always with You" has a pathetically easy tapping thing in it, and "Raspberry Jam Delta V" has a REVERSED tapping lick, in which the right hand frets the B note on the G string (fourth fret) and Satch uses his left hand to hammer-tap notes higher up on the G and B strings with the B notes acting as pedal tones. Nice and show-offy.

But Satch is really not a good tapper. A far more virtuosic tapper is Steve Vai, but a ton of his runs are ridiculously convoluted and hard to keep track of. What I tend to do is tap along the scale while I'm doing an average legato thing on the left, so it's like some "super legato" thing. And to be honest, the best example I could give you for this type of thing is probably Reb Beach of the band Winger, or perhaps some Andy Timmons.[/QUOTE]

Well, that helps a little. Guess the best exercise would be to just tap scales until my right-hand digits stop locking up.

I get so tired of having to explain over and over again when people tell me how easy tapping is what it means to be as dominantly left-handed as I am. As soon as I finish explaining, they fall completely silent, leaving me to wonder just what they're thinking.

weenies!

[QUOTE=Slug]You should come to some shows with me, man.[/QUOTE]

Still have no money.

I'm working on it though, started my job yesterday.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Well, that helps a little. Guess the best exercise would be to just tap scales until my right-hand digits stop locking up.

I get so tired of having to explain over and over again when people tell me how easy tapping is what it means to be as dominantly left-handed as I am. As soon as I finish explaining, they fall completely silent, leaving me to wonder just what they're thinking.[/QUOTE]

I confess, I don't get it. Why not just play a left-handed guitar? Or not tap? I mean, Gary Moore's left-handed and plays a right-handed guitar, and he's ****ing amazing.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372233[/url]

The next round of RMOTM is up and running, for those interested. If you have some spare time, please vote.

Finally got stars, eh?

How many users have them now?

[QUOTE=Slug]Finally got stars, eh?

How many users have them now?[/QUOTE]

Liberi, Simple Man, and Jom have all earned them back. The rest, I think, are all "residue star-holders" who were banned when rep was eliminated.

[QUOTE=Cain]Liberi, Simple Man, and Jom have all earned them back. The rest, I think, are all "residue star-holders" who were banned when rep was eliminated.[/QUOTE]

I have a whopping 130 rep :-/

Tender negging me really brought me down.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Well, that helps a little. Guess the best exercise would be to just tap scales until my right-hand digits stop locking up.

I get so tired of having to explain over and over again when people tell me how easy tapping is what it means to be as dominantly left-handed as I am. As soon as I finish explaining, they fall completely silent, leaving me to wonder just what they're thinking.[/QUOTE]
So you're left handed, but force yourself to play right handed? That's silly, you should accept your left-handedness.

/is left handed

[QUOTE=Slug]I have a whopping 130 rep :-/

Tender negging me really brought me down.[/QUOTE]

What did he neg you for?

I have 347. Trilemma derepped me "for being a brat" when I was feuding with him in here. I've considered posting in Strum's rep thread, but talking up my own accomplishments just for rep seems stupid. I liked the other rep thread, where people would recommend other users for rep and mods looking at the thread would take care of it. That seemed more honest.

I have 330, no neg reps.

I'm left-handed, and play on a lefty drum kit.

[QUOTE=Cain]What did he neg you for?

I have 347. Trilemma derepped me "for being a brat" when I was feuding with him in here. I've considered posting in Strum's rep thread, but talking up my own accomplishments just for rep seems stupid. I liked the other rep thread, where people would recommend other users for rep and mods looking at the thread would take care of it. That seemed more honest.[/QUOTE]

I got negged for double posting.

[QUOTE=Cain]I confess, I don't get it. Why not just play a left-handed guitar? Or not tap? I mean, Gary Moore's left-handed and plays a right-handed guitar, and he's ****ing amazing.[/QUOTE]

To give you a rough idea of what it's like, picture trying to play your guitar when the third and fourth fingers of your fretting hand cannot move independently. That would be me playing left-hand guitar.

Furthermore, the muscles in your non-dominant hand are so underdeveloped, that the joints keep locking and slipping because the muscles and tendons aren't strong enough to create the proper manual dexterity. I can't properly form a fist with my right hand without uncomfortably stretching the tendons in my knuckles.

Does that help give you an idea of what I have to deal with? My picking is almost entirely based on my wrist, and strumming on my elbow because my hand is so woefully under-developed and never seems to get better despite the exercises I put it through.

[QUOTE=Slug]I got negged for double posting.[/QUOTE]

Tender never negged me for that, he just banned me the one time.

He's repped me twice so far: that's how I've gotten the bulk of my rep. None of the other mods (except for Aes820) have seen fit to do so yet. Probably because I don't report anybody or hang out in Site forum, or venture far beyond R+M and Politics.

EDIT: Steerpike: that's rough. The only thing I can suggest is more practicing. :)

[QUOTE=Cain]My recommendation would easily be for the Black Label show. You're likely to have a drunken headbanging time there, and Zakk is undeniably a top-notch player.

EDIT: Steerpike: Well, Satriani really isn't much of a tapper, to be perfectly honest. He taps about the same amount as he alternate picks, which is just about never these days. The only tapping lick he pulls is really the one where he taps a trill with the side of his pick, holding the edge perpendicular to the fretboard. His legato style is one where his left hand carries all the notes around Holdsworth style, like a "ball of mercury," is how he describes it. It's also my primary soloing influence: slippery slides, position changes, and exclusively hammering on and pulling off are all Satch trademarks.
[/QUOTE]


He may not tap much, but what about the classics Satch Boogie, Midnight, and Always With Me, Always With You? He did tapping in those.

/not sure if he taps in any other songs off the top of my head.

And I learned tapping off the Crazy Train solo my self, and then did some work with the tapping section off of eruption, and also Atreyu - Lipgloss and Black to be honest.

NP - Pink Floyd - Money

/wearing DSotM shorts

I forgot about Midnight. That song is killer: I played it at a campus show with my friends and people were pretty impressed.

I mentioned AWMAWY. Satch Boogie has a neat tapping thing too, true enough. But you have to admit, Satch doesn't do it with anywhere near the proficiency and level of someone like Vai.

"Circles" has a ton of tapping in the solo, too. And it's a fairly catchy tune, although the transition from the rock part to the clean part is kinda iffy.

[QUOTE=Cain]I forgot about Midnight. That song is killer: I played it at a campus show with my friends and people were pretty impressed.

I mentioned AWMAWY. Satch Boogie has a neat tapping thing too, true enough. But you have to admit, Satch doesn't do it with anywhere near the proficiency and level of someone like Vai.

"Circles" has a ton of tapping in the solo, too. And it's a fairly catchy tune, although the transition from the rock part to the clean part is kinda iffy.[/QUOTE]


Midnight is pretty easy to play, it looks like a daunting task when you look at it, but in all reality it is fairly easy when you dive into it.

Ya, tapping may not be his thing, but he isn't [B]bad[/B] at it. People like Micheal Romeo make him look like childs play when it comes to tapping though heh.

Anyway you look at it though, Satch is awesome.

NP - Pink Floyd - Not Now John

This song is just flat out awesome.

I am listening to Limbonic Art :)

This band is pretty crazy.

Midnight gives me headaches. As if I wasn't bad enough at tapping.

[QUOTE=Slug]I am listening to Limbonic Art :)

This band is pretty crazy.[/QUOTE]


Of course.

They are a wall of symphonic extreme black metal noise that competes with Emperor in that aspect. Symphonic wall of noise bands are awesome at being intense, which is great when you are in the mood for it.

Good band, to bad I only have one album.

I haven't listened to Pink Floyd in ages. :\

[QUOTE=Steerpike]To give you a rough idea of what it's like, picture trying to play your guitar when the third and fourth fingers of your fretting hand cannot move independently. That would be me playing left-hand guitar.

Furthermore, the muscles in your non-dominant hand are so underdeveloped, that the joints keep locking and slipping because the muscles and tendons aren't strong enough to create the proper manual dexterity. I can't properly form a fist with my right hand without uncomfortably stretching the tendons in my knuckles.

Does that help give you an idea of what I have to deal with? My picking is almost entirely based on my wrist, and strumming on my elbow because my hand is so woefully under-developed and never seems to get better despite the exercises I put it through.[/QUOTE]
hmm.

I'm left-handed, and play a lefty guitar.

Generally I find that my fingers induvidually are more co-ordinated on my right, but as a whole the left-hand is more co-ordinated.

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]Of course.

They are a wall of symphonic extreme black metal noise that competes with Emperor in that aspect. Symphonic wall of noise bands are awesome at being intense, which is great when you are in the mood for it.

Good band, to bad I only have one album.

I haven't listened to Pink Floyd in ages. :\[/QUOTE]

I've only got one Limbonic Art album, too.

NP: Charlie Parker - Summertime

Limbonic Art is pretty sweet. I only have In Abhorrence Dementia, but I like it bunches.

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]Midnight is pretty easy to play, it looks like a daunting task when you look at it, but in all reality it is fairly easy when you dive into it.

Ya, tapping may not be his thing, but he isn't [B]bad[/B] at it. People like Micheal Romeo make him look like childs play when it comes to tapping though heh.

Anyway you look at it though, Satch is awesome.

NP - Pink Floyd - Not Now John

This song is just flat out awesome.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I know. Satch restrains himself to a degree, as you and I have both argued in many a shred-bashing thread.

And I agree, Satch is indeed awesome.

EDIT: Midnight is a great example of Jeff Beck's self-proclaimed favorite guitar playing style: "I like stuff that sounds really hard but is actually really easy." And in Midnight you have an added bonus of it looking hard, too.

Wow.

Demilich have some creepy vocals :eek:

[QUOTE=Slug]Wow.

Demilich have some creepy vocals :eek:[/QUOTE]


Yes, that they do.

Have you heard Wormed?

The vocalist sounds like a frog being choked with a fork, it is pretty fu[SIZE=2]ck[/SIZE]ed up in my eyes.

[url]http://www.wormed.net[/url] if you want to hear some of their songs.

[QUOTE=Cain]EDIT: Midnight is a great example of Jeff Beck's self-proclaimed favorite guitar playing style: "I like stuff that sounds really hard but is actually really easy." And in Midnight you have an added bonus of it looking hard, too.[/QUOTE]

Just remember who you're talking to. I've been playing Breaking the Law by Judas Priest for a year and still can't play it without screwing up at least 4 times.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Just remember who you're talking to. I've been playing Breaking the Law by Judas Priest for a year and still can't play it without screwing up at least 4 times.[/QUOTE]

:( You make me sad Steerpike. I was speaking relative to Bobo's comment and my own experience. I didn't mean to imply that should be easy for everyone, because obviously it wouldn't be.

:lol:

Wormed's vocals are awful.

Good riffs, though.

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]Yes, that they do.

Have you heard Wormed?

The vocalist sounds like a frog being choked with a fork, it is pretty fu[SIZE=2]ck[/SIZE]ed up in my eyes.

[url]http://www.wormed.net[/url] if you want to hear some of their songs.[/QUOTE]
:eek:

Humans should not be allowed to make those noises. The music was awesome though.