opeth thread votes bp title track best opeth song

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[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen;13459825]Pffft, real men play in sixteenth notes. I can play in triplets basically as high as my mentronone allows me, but sixteenth notes take blood, sweat, and testerone.

Once again, for the purpose of this conversation, I have all of those.

And I don't think the "swing" feel is necessarily standard either. I've listened to a fair amount of jazz over the past several years, and almost all of it had a straighter feel. Not all jazz has spawned directly from band music of the 30's.[/QUOTE]

Try playing quintuplets fast. I wish I could post a recording of some of my quintuplet licks.

And what's with you guys saying jazz is rooted in triplets? Most swinging songs don't even have triplets in them, just swung 8th notes. Triplets in improv is really common but usually not in a 4/4 song playing the head. All Blues by Miles Davis is mostly triplets during the head but it's because it's in 3/4.

And yeah, there's ALOT of straight jazz, namely most Latin jazz.

jazz should be rooted in 64th notes played at 450bpm

[QUOTE=Eliminator;13463963]jazz should be rooted in 64th notes played at 450bpm[/QUOTE]

Now that's a real man's jazz.

Well that is inhuman but Chick Corea's Got a Match is all eighth notes at 300 bpm and the bass plays the lead too.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen;13459695]The term "modal jazz" is a little misleading. By definition, every song is played in a mode, even if it's just the most basic Ionian.
[/quote] That is somewhat of a non sequitor. The point of "modal" music is that it is built around different modes rather than chord progressions.


[quote=Moses]
And what's with you guys saying jazz is rooted in triplets? Most swinging songs don't even have triplets in them, just swung 8th notes.
[/quote] "Swung" 8th notes are triplets with the middle note removed. Come on, Moses...you know better than that!

[quote=jpshortstuff] well im no flynn but as you like
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Dark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming

Deliverence is the way to, and for

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the other end of the spectrum

Damnation.
[/quote] I strongly disagree. Damnation contains some of Opeth's darkest (Weakness, Closure) and most lonely (Windowpane, In My Time of Need) music.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen;13459825]
And I don't think the "swing" feel is necessarily standard either. I've listened to a fair amount of jazz over the past several years, and almost all of it had a straighter feel. Not all jazz has spawned directly from band music of the 30's.[/QUOTE]
20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, and, for the most part, 70's. Jazz was pretty much consistently swung, with a few exceptions (bop in particular, which was too fast to swing) up until the advent of fusion, which I would consider to be a different style of music, anyways.

My past experiences conflict with that. Oh well. I don't claim to be a jazz expert anyway.

Well, do you only listen to jazz that contains guitars?

Yes, pretty much.

[QUOTE=Moses;13463985]Well that is inhuman but Chick Corea's Got a Match is all eighth notes at 300 bpm and the bass plays the lead too.[/QUOTE]

Giant Steps is really fast too. Not sure how fast though but it moves.

Don't mean to change the subject, but I was wondering who's buying the special edition Ghost Reveries? I already have the original, but I just wanted to see everyones thoughts on buying the new edition. I'm not really interested in the 5.1 Surround Sound mix to be honest, I'm only into the 40 minute documentary. For those who don't know about it (I'm sure lots do, but might as well post the info!)
It's coming out October 31st. It contains two discs. There is a new cover track called Soldier of Fortune (not sure who they cover), and on the second disc it contains the music video for The Grand Conjuration, a 40 minute documentary called Beyond Ghost Reveries and a 5.1 Surround Sound Mix of the cd.

Below is a link to the album art.
[url]http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/shared/pictures/Opeth/OPETH_GHOST_SE-LORES.jpg[/url]

I was just listening to Giant Steps earlier. Incredible piece.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;13465063] "Swung" 8th notes are triplets with the middle note removed. Come on, Moses...you know better than that![/QUOTE]
Still doesn't feel like triplets to me, nor is it notated like that.

hmmm..I'm debating between Damnation and Still Life, maybe I'll just get them both. I'll get them all eventually, however I like to take my time with an album and really absorb it.

If not both, get Still Life first. Lots of absorbing in that album.

[quote=Shadowsfallen]Yes, pretty much. [/quote]
Well, jeez...no wonder! Guitar-based jazz is only a tiny portion of jazz music. Most of the great jazz records are done with hornplayers, and most of it is swung. Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Coleman Hawkins, Sonny Rollins...the list goes on. Pianists make up another huge chunk of jazz musicians - Bill Evans, Dave Brubeck, Thelonius Monk, McCoy Tyner, etc. All of these guys swung their asses off and are considered to be of the top echelon of jazz music.


[QUOTE=Moses;13467205]Still doesn't feel like triplets to me, nor is it notated like that.[/QUOTE]

If it doesn't feel like triplets, it isn't swinging, or it's one of those bizarre hybrid "inbetween straight and swung" feels that Stanton Moore obsesses over. You play the drums, don't you? Play a standard ride pattern with triplets underneath on your left/comping hand. The swung 8ths should line up perfectly with the first and third note of every triplet.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;13467851]
If it doesn't feel like triplets, it isn't swinging, or it's one of those bizarre hybrid "inbetween straight and swung" feels that Stanton Moore obsesses over. You play the drums, don't you? Play a standard ride pattern with triplets underneath on your left/comping hand. The swung 8ths should line up perfectly with the first and third note of every triplet.[/QUOTE]

Oh I know they line up, I just don't think of it like that and I never have.

...Why? Do you not think that straight 8ths line up with 16ths?

I think of swing 8th as triplets minus the middle one.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;13468106]...Why? Do you not think that straight 8ths line up with 16ths?[/QUOTE]

I know they all line up, I'm just saying I just think of them as notes and dotted notes. I don't know, I'm a piano player more so than a drummer even though I play them, so I don't really worry about values as much as a drummer would. It just bugged me when you said "triplet feel" rather than "swing feel" because I've never heard anybody, even my jazz instructors refer to them as triplets.

Basically I think of swung 8ths as swung 8ths.

just watched the Deliverence set on Lamentations again - awesome stuff

im think im gonna learn some Opeth on the ole gee-tar this holiday week.

Am I alone in thinking Michael's growl was at it's best on Morningrise?

[QUOTE=DaveTheAmazing;13469930]Am I alone in thinking Michael's growl was at it's best on Morningrise?[/QUOTE]

Yes...

i'd have to disagree with you Dave on that one.
Still Life onwards his growl is teh best.

I listen to Morningrise, then I listen to anything after it and it just sounds .. dare I say .. generic!

:eek: the forbidden word

i think it has grown in power, and Akerfeldt can control it much better now.

I suppose you better take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. I should have mentioned this earlier, but besides Morningrise, I've only heard BWP and Deliverance.

yeah blackwater park is really generic

and sh[I]i[/I]tty.