[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo;13449285]spiralout7/gmail.com

Thanks in advance. How is it working for you so far?[/QUOTE]

I haven't actually gotten a chance to try it. Been studying for the GRE and working alot, so my life has been reaaallly busy, unfortunately.

Oh, okay. Sorry for your business, I always hate dealing with that. :p

Speaking of the whole orchestral thing, has anyone finished an orchestral version yet?

[QUOTE=Toaster;13442077]I haven't found much Opeth to be jazzy. For Absent Friends is a bit, but nothing else has that sort of feel.. I agree with the folk thing though. Especially the early material.[/QUOTE]

Windowpane is basically modal, and alot of the Damnation record is very fusiony. Martin Mendez's style is very jazz based and groove orientated. Mikael's soloing style is often very jazz influenced. "Face of Melinda" is very jazzy.

Music doesn't have to be triplet based in order to be jazz or jazz-influenced.

Triplet based? Triplets aren't stabdard in jazz. Many jazz guitar teachers even force their students to stop playing in triplets altogether.

But I think Opeth is jazzy. Probably more blues than jazz, but they're closely related.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;13455329]Windowpane is basically modal, and alot of the Damnation record is very fusiony. Martin Mendez's style is very jazz based and groove orientated. Mikael's soloing style is often very jazz influenced. "Face of Melinda" is very jazzy.

Music doesn't have to be triplet based in order to be jazz or jazz-influenced.[/QUOTE]

Who said anything about triplets? :confused:

You can have a jazzy solo over a death metal song, doesn't make it jazzy.

Who cares about bass anyway?

Face of Melinda is quite jazzy, yes.

How the hell can a song be "modal"?

I always thought of Damnation as being soft rock, slightly prog.. but since the nature of "prog" isn't quite clear, I'd just say soft rock. :p

[QUOTE=Toaster;13455469]Who said anything about triplets? :confused:
[/quote] I assumed when you were referring to feel.
[quote]
Who cares about bass anyway?
[/quote] Anyone with half a brain.

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How the hell can a song be "modal"?
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Have you never heard of Miles Davis? :confused:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_jazz[/url]

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I always thought of Damnation as being soft rock, slightly prog.. but since the nature of "prog" isn't quite clear, I'd just say soft rock. :p[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say "soft rock." Soft rock has more of a Don Henley kind of connotation to it. :D Damnation is progressive in the sense that Pink Floyd is progressive, but the songwriting and harmonies are also quite advanced in many ways.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen;13455409]Triplet based? Triplets aren't stabdard in jazz. Many jazz guitar teachers even force their students to stop playing in triplets altogether.
[/QUOTE]

Well, that's just plain stupid. Jazz is certainly grounded in triplets, and it's worthwhile to at least know how to swing hard.

How about "Moonlapse Vertigo"?

That part from 4:42 to 5:12 seems to be in e minor, but with a D#, A#, and an F thrown in there. Even a G# . So much chromaticism, but I think it sounds good. I don't know why.

The term "modal jazz" is a little misleading. By definition, every song is played in a mode, even if it's just the most basic Ionian.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;13455545]Well, that's just plain stupid. Jazz is certainly grounded in triplets, and it's worthwhile to at least know how to swing hard.[/QUOTE]
It just seemed like pretensious jazz guitarists looking down their noses towards metal once again, to me.

I don't like the idea of calling Damnation "soft rock". It makes it sound like...a soft rock album, which it most certainly isn't.

Why don't we stop arguing about what the album's genre is and just sit back and appreciate the goddamn awesomeness of it?

Damnation = amazing

Soft rock =/= amazing

therefore

Damnation =/= soft rock

A bad generalization I'm sure, but it works for the purpose of this conversation.

Perhaps...

Jazz isn't rooted in triplets my ***. That's one of the bases of the "swing" feel, which apparently I have a major problem with...I can't play straight eights anymore. I swing all of it. :lol:

Pffft, real men play in sixteenth notes. I can play in triplets basically as high as my mentronone allows me, but sixteenth notes take blood, sweat, and testerone.

Once again, for the purpose of this conversation, I have all of those.

And I don't think the "swing" feel is necessarily standard either. I've listened to a fair amount of jazz over the past several years, and almost all of it had a straighter feel. Not all jazz has spawned directly from band music of the 30's.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo;13455318]
Speaking of the whole orchestral thing, has anyone finished an orchestral version yet?[/QUOTE]

I have 2/3 of Bleak done.

! I can imagine Bleak being mindshattering, how's it turning out?

Ehh. It needs a lot of work. The way it's ended up, a lot of it is just the original with the instrumentation changed. I did more than that, but it doesn't come out in the sound. Some parts are killer, however.

Hey Flynn, be my Opeth mentor haha. I got Blackwater Park the other day, I am sooo impressed, I'm normally a fan of classic rock, progressive, psychedelic and blues, things like that... I bought it on a whim, one of those 2 albums for 25 bucks. I was getting the new Mars Volta album and I said to myself "Opeth, are the only ones on this shelf that I've remotely heard of" there were some crappy emo bands and ****... Anyway I brought it home and turned it on not knowing what to expect man, and I was just blown away.

The subtle soft vocals and beautiful acoustic melodies UNITE so gracefully with the technical wild guitar riffs, and the vocals, ...o...m...g... dude, it was like hearing some entity screaming and growling bloody murder. I can't believe that it is so awesome. The whole tone of the album...is just a feeling that you get. A dark, lonely, fullfilled, longing...Do you understand? or am I too stoned right now?

Maybe I shouldn't be rambling on the forum after smoking a joint, but yeah this album takes me to a different plane. It's one extreme to the other man, it's like Dark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming and on the other end of the spectrum it's fullfilling, technical, poetic, inspirational, it promotes change, it pursues dreams...It's on the crescendo of my musical emotional spectrum... You know , right up there...

So here's a question, what album should I get next, I intend to get them all ...but is there an order you suggest? Ok, sorry for the stoned ramble dude, I just have to say that I have experienced a musical epiphany...Yeah , so really high and I just keep smoking so I'm going to stop typing before everyone on this forum tells me to go find a hut in some village to go and live out my days in with my acoustic guitar that i play FOLK songs on...haha.

well im no flynn but as you like[QUOTE]Dark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming[/QUOTE]
Deliverence is the way to, and for
[QUOTE]the other end of the spectrum[/QUOTE]
Damnation.

Morningrise is reasonably cool, everyone will agree that To Bid You Farewell is a track you need to get.

oh an Ghost Reveries isn't too shaby neither, newest album, great vocals (growls and cleans) and stuff.

EDIT: **** i forgot about Still Life. get Still Life before GR. infact, don't get GR for a while.

um no just get still life and damnation

[QUOTE=CognitiveVertigo;13461803]Hey Flynn, be my Opeth mentor haha. I got Blackwater Park the other day, I am sooo impressed, I'm normally a fan of classic rock, progressive, psychedelic and blues, things like that... I bought it on a whim, one of those 2 albums for 25 bucks. I was getting the new Mars Volta album and I said to myself "Opeth, are the only ones on this shelf that I've remotely heard of" there were some crappy emo bands and ****... Anyway I brought it home and turned it on not knowing what to expect man, and I was just blown away.

The subtle soft vocals and beautiful acoustic melodies UNITE so gracefully with the technical wild guitar riffs, and the vocals, ...o...m...g... dude, it was like hearing some entity screaming and growling bloody murder. I can't believe that it is so awesome. The whole tone of the album...is just a feeling that you get. A dark, lonely, fullfilled, longing...Do you understand? or am I too stoned right now?

Maybe I shouldn't be rambling on the forum after smoking a joint, but yeah this album takes me to a different plane. It's one extreme to the other man, it's like Dark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming and on the other end of the spectrum it's fullfilling, technical, poetic, inspirational, it promotes change, it pursues dreams...It's on the crescendo of my musical emotional spectrum... You know , right up there...

So here's a question, what album should I get next, I intend to get them all ...but is there an order you suggest? Ok, sorry for the stoned ramble dude, I just have to say that I have experienced a musical epiphany...Yeah , so really high and I just keep smoking so I'm going to stop typing before everyone on this forum tells me to go find a hut in some village to go and live out my days in with my acoustic guitar that i play FOLK songs on...haha.[/QUOTE]

Hmm...well if your into psychidelic and prog, I would probably say you should try out Ghost Reveries. Or if you want to try something different, My Arms, Your Hearse:smoke:

[QUOTE=CognitiveVertigo]Maybe I shouldn't be rambling on the forum after smoking a joint[/QUOTE]

That just made my day. :lol:

[QUOTE=CognitiveVertigo]So here's a question, what album should I get next, I intend to get them all ...but is there an order you suggest?[/QUOTE]

Probably Still Life, if you are into a more BLUESY, JAZZY FEEL.

My arms, your hearse if you'd like to hear the foundation for newer Opeth.

Deliverance if you liked the harshness of the album.

Damnation if you liked the soft parts.

Orchid and Morningrise if you'd like to hear older Opeth.

Ghost Reveries if you feel like experimentation.

(@CognitiveVertigo's post)

Hahaha, that takes me back.
I 'gasmed in an extremely similar way when I first heard Blackwater Park.
Only just gotten off my year-long binge of Opeth in the past week since that day.

But yes, go get Still Life or Ghost Reveries next, methinks.

[QUOTE=penelope weird hands;13462322](@CognitiveVertigo's post)

But yes, go get Still Life or Ghost Reveries next, methinks.[/QUOTE]

this. fo sho. [B]Still Life.[/B]

So Still Life it is ?

ooh I'm excited. Thank you all for your replies.

Yea, definately Still Life.

Bwahaha he asks for an album and you guys tell him to buy them all.

so today i came to the conclusion that

"Blackwater Park" > every opeth song ever

I'd agree with Blackwater Park > Every other Opeth album.

But

Bleak / Serenity Painted Death / To Bid You Farewell > Every other song.

What's so damn great about Serenity Painted Death? That little pinch harmonic?

I love it...

wait... do I need to go through you guys in the Opeth thread before I like the song?

Yes.