Anyone know why tool neva brougt out a live dvd????

Probably so they can laugh at people who say "neva"

:lol:

to the downtuning talk, i also hate downtuning, well past drop d, because i have one of those pain in the *** floyd rose bridges and those bolts on the top of the neck (not sure if you know what im talking about...) and its kinda hard to tune your guitar with that stuff. but i usually have my guitar in drop d because ive been obsessing over playing tool songs lately

/FINALLY sat down and started learning tool

learn eulogy, lateralus, and stinkfist. well learn what you want, but i recommend those. very fun and easy to play

The meaning of Forty Six & 2?
 

can anyone help with the meaning of Forty Six & 2? Been trying to figure it out.

i read somewhere that its about DNA, like how we have 46 chromosones in our DNA and 2 more would make us the ultimate being.

[QUOTE=Uber-Termite]Anyone know why tool neva brougt out a live dvd????[/QUOTE]

One word;

Salival.

^ I didn't think the DVD was live, only some of the songs on the CD. I don't however, have Salival (yet), so I'm just going from what I've heard.

[B]Taken from the "official" TOOL FAQ @ [url]http://toolshed.down.net/faq/faq.html[/url][/B]

[QUOTE]G36. What does it all mean, 46, 2, shadows?
You could write a whole FAQ for this one question alone; the major underlying principles relate to chromosomes and Jungian theory. Some of the ideas behind this song are based on the teachings of Drunvalo Melchizadek. Here's a snip of an interview with him (Leading Edge, 12/95):
"There are three totally different kinds of humans on the Earth, meaning that they perceive the One reality in three different ways, interpreted differently. The first kind of human has a chromosome composition of 42+2. They comprise a unity consciousness that does not see anything outside themselves as being separate from themselves. To them, there is only one energy - one life, one beingness that moves everywhere. Anything happening anywhere is within them, as well. They are like cells in the body. They are all connected to a single consciousness that moves through all of them. These are the aboriginals in Australia. There might be a few African tribes left like this. Then, there is our level, comprising 44+2 chromosomes. We are a disharmonic level of consciousness that is used as a steppingstone from the 42+2 level to the next level, 46+2...These two additional chromosomes change everything."

Rachel Wells (eileen@loop.com) has written this moderately long, excellent summary of all the relevant Jungian concepts:

"Anima / Animus (pronounced On-ee-mah):
In Jungian psychology, the anima refers to personality traits regarded as feminine that are often repressed into the unconscious of males while the animus refers to traits regarded as masculine that are often repressed into the unconsciousness of females.

Although suppressed from conscious awareness, the anima/animus influences our behavior in powerful ways. In most individuals,it is projected onto people of the opposite sex and accounts for the experience of falling in love with someone we hardly know. As the unconscious pole of the self, the counter-ego represented by the anima/animus can also be a guide to one's own unconscious realm. It is often experienced as the guiding female (if you're male) or male (if you're female) presence in dreams.

The Shadow:

In Carl Jung's personality theory, the ego represents the individual's sense of personal self. The sense of personal identity is purchased, however, at the expense of certain tendencies that are rejected as 'not-self'. According to Jung, these rejected traits come together as a kind of unconscious 'counter-ego' which he termed the shadow.

We may become unduly anxious or irritated when in an environment or around a person that in some way reminds us of repressed aspects of our self. If a person has rejected his or her own sex drive, for example, that person may feel irrational fear or anger around an overtly sexual individual. The shadow may appear as a person in one's dreams, usually as an individual of the same sex.

Of all the archetypes, the shadow is the most powerful and potentially the most dangerous. It represents everything about ourselves that we fear and despise.

The meaning of 46 + 2:

According to Melchezedek, our planet is covered with geometrically constructed 'morpho genetic grids'. These grids extend from about 60 feet under the Earth's surface to about 60 miles above the Earth, arranged in geometric patterns (see 'Sacred Geometry'). Each species has its own grid, which supports life, and connects the consciousness of its particular species. Before any species can come into existance or make an evolutionary step, a new grid must be completed. When a species becomes extinct, that particular species' grid dissoves.

A new grid was completed in 1989 - the 'christ-consciousness' grid. This grid will allow humans to evolve into our next version. We'll develop two additional chromosomes (which are really 'geometrical images' designed to resonate with our specific grid) for a total or 46 + 2.

The main change will be a shift to the "unity consciousness". Every cell in your body has its own consciousness and memory. You, the higher being that occupies your body, make the millions of different consciousnesses in your body work together as one being. How does this relate to this grid? Think of yourself as a cell and the grid as the higher being. We will still have individual consciousness, but will be united in the form of a higher being in order to work as one entity."

Scientifically speaking, humans don't appear to be evolving new chromosomes (or much of anything else; thanks to technology). If you want to learn more, search the web or take a class! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]:lol:

to the downtuning talk, i also hate downtuning, well past drop d, because i have one of those pain in the *** floyd rose bridges and those bolts on the top of the neck (not sure if you know what im talking about...) and its kinda hard to tune your guitar with that stuff. but i usually have my guitar in drop d because ive been obsessing over playing tool songs lately

/FINALLY sat down and started learning tool[/QUOTE]

yeah, i know what you mean, even if you use a tuner it's still hard to properly get the tuning right, that's why i use my old guitar for downtuning (Tool, some pantera) and my beautiful green esp for standard (opeth \m/)

tool doesn't really downtune though, just one string and i can do that be ear in one quick turn. If i want i check and its 4/5 cents off. its downtuning all the strings that i understand people dont like.

If Tool can still sound like Tool, but with the brutality of Meshuggah, it might just be the best album ever made.

thats the word going around. but its hard to back any tool news so.

i read on a Fan Site that they're bringing out a live DVD,with Live performances from six different concerts since 2002. I really hope its true and not one of their "RUMORS"

I Started listening to Opiate. Its actually quite good. Very Different, but good in its own way.Now I've gone from liking only Lateralus and Aenima to liking all four albums.
I'm quite proud of my self.

PS: Ive got a pic of Maynard when he was in The Army!HA!

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]PS: Ive got a pic of Maynard when he was in The Army!HA![/QUOTE]
I've got that picture too. Here's the link: [b][url]http://members.tripod.com/~TOOLsmart/index-3.html[/url][/b]

I'm having problems with that page. It's very slow to load and I've had to refresh the page about 8 times, so be patient if you're having problems. :p

just out of curiousity, why does everyone look at the religious prospects of tool, when ou have 46 and 2, which my knowledge of it is a evolution jump, the chromosome level now adays is something like 42 or maybe even 44 and 2, which my interpretation is he talking about a day where people will be able to use the full extent of their brains, not just the 10 percent or whatever nowadays, but the frontal lobe in which telepathy, and telekinetic ability is found, or maybe just the thought of looking at all the possibilities, like religion, having a open mind and being willing to accept anything and everything that might happen, not just try to narrow something down, yeah tool, or hell even a perfect circle have songs that may have some kind of religious reference, but shouldn't we be looking at the overall prospect of all of the writings on the album, to fully see the true picture. like someone else said, keenan is one of the most thought provocative writers i've ever read or looked into, and that's why i don't try to narrow down any certain message, or image he might be portraying, and just look at it all and try to merely, enjoy, and open my mind to it.

Alot of people look at Tool and religion because it can easily be applied. Songs like Eulogy, or Disgustipated, or even Aenima, have religious overtones to them. The references to God or Christ or whatever might be oblique, but they are there.

Maynard has often said that fan's interpretations are often wrong, meaning that we thought of something he wasn't exactly trying to say. But he did note that he'd prefer people guessing wrong than not guessing at all, or something, I don't remember the exact quote.

Who sings the harmony in You Lied off of Salival? And why does it sound like there are 2 guitars + bass?

Peach's vocalist also played guitar on some of the Peach's songs. Perhaps Tool performed You Lied with two guitars.

/goes back to doing Peach review

[QUOTE=Fast Fingers]Who sings the harmony in You Lied off of Salival? And why does it sound like there are 2 guitars + bass?[/QUOTE]


[quote]Peach's vocalist also played guitar on some of the Peach's songs. Perhaps Tool performed You Lied with two guitars.

/goes back to doing Peach review[/quote]


"You Lied" was indeed covered by Tool with two guitars. The second guitar part featured Buzz from The Melvins.

I'm kinda just getting into Tool. I've heard a fair bit of Lateralus, and a couple of others but thats pretty much just grazing the surface. Anything anyone wants to recommend that will help feed my growing passion?

Buy Lateralus if you like what you've heard so far. That's what will do the songs the most justice, and then work back through Aenima, Undertow and Opiate. Aenima would also be a good first album to buy though, if it takes your fancy.

Schism
 

[QUOTE=HeReTik]hmmm...

I think Eulogy is about people standing up over everyone, with a voice so high and a meaning so strong, that he affects the weaker crowd to follow him and his opinion..

Thats what I think after reading the lyrics, but hey, im only fifteen.

Nice song btw.
Anyone figured Schism?[/QUOTE]

hey man, i'm fourteen, and this is what i got out of Schism

[B]I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away
mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing,
pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers souls in motion
disintegrating as it goes testing our communication
the light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us so
we cannot see to reach an end crippling our communication.

I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them tumble down
no fault, none to blame it doesn't mean I don't desire to
point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over.
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication.

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between,
And the circling is worth it.
Finding beauty in the dissonance.

There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away.
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
I've done the the math enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communication

cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion

between supposed lovers
between supposed brothers.

And I know the pieces fit.[/B]

and here's ths dictionary definition:

[B]schism[/B]

a separation, an alienation causing divisions among Christians, who ought to be united

so what Maynard is saying is that he knows there is a relation between all religions, and that they had all cooperated at one time, but the time was so long ago, that the pieces are [I]mildewed and smouldering [/I] (just pulling it out if the song).

then he looks to the Christian religion, where they believe that a lover should only have a "soul in motion" (yes, reprodctively speaking) if he were to have another christian, yet [I]pure intention juxtaposed[/I] would speak of having the relations with another religion, perheps creating the schism.

[I]It doesn't mean i dont desire to point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over[/I] this means that the religions that we support today (if any) may be totally based on the pointing of fingers and blaming of others, and hence creating yet another reason for a Schism.

(if you haven't noticed, this all realtes back to the creation of a schism)

[I]The poetry that comes from the squaring off between, And the circling is worth it. Finding beauty in the dissonance.[/I] may be referring to the Holocaust, where the two religions (Jewish and Christian) are "squaring off", and "circling" (somewhat of a wildman's approach to a battle).

(let it be known that in the holocaust, Hitler was also Jewish)

[I]I've done the the math enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communication[/I] would probably be from a leader's point of view (maybe hitler's) where the uncertainty of religion (once again hitler perhaps) may be considered as second guessing, and that he has an idea of what may happen.

[I]cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers, between supposed brothers.[/I] would probably mean that the religions, as one (brothers/lovers) falling apart (atrophy any sense of compassion)

hope this helped.

anybody got an idea about Parabola?

Blackened.White

[email]bungface@hotmail.com[/email] :thumb:

I'm kind of getting mad at tool's website now...(haha what a retard, angry at a website). But they lack way too much information regarding the release of the new album...I would like to know if any of you are into the band Tool enough to give me a rough estimate of when we can be expecting Tool's newest album.

A schism is not related only to Christians. The Great Schism back in the early 1000's was a split between what became the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches, but a schism by itself simply means a split, or division, into parts.

I honestly think that Lateralus as a whole has nothing to do with religion. The entire album has a theme of severed/broken relationships, reconciliation, and the thoughts that go with such things.

The religion analysis was quite interesting, and while I don't necessarily want to call it 'wrong', I am pretty sure that what you have come up with was not what Maynard was trying to say...

[QUOTE=KillerShears]I'm kind of getting mad at tool's website now...(haha what a retard, angry at a website). But they lack way too much information regarding the release of the new album...I would like to know if any of you are into the band Tool enough to give me a rough estimate of when we can be expecting Tool's newest album.[/QUOTE]

Most of us here at mx get our tool news from toolband. it pisses me off as well that it's been 4 years and no cd, but look at it this way, lateralus took how long and it was the best cd from them yet. so "be patient" "wait it out" and i'm sure you'll be satisfied when it's released.

Besides, anticipation = gratification.


The more I wait for it, the better it's bound to be.

That's not what happenend with halo 2 my friend. I anticipated....it came out to suck.

I DO like how Tool is keeping sound samples away from people though. I'm not listening to ANY of there stuff that is new EVER until I have the CD in my hands...Now THAT's anticipation. And yes, I can trust them enough not to suck..I just hope it isn't anything like APC's emotive.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]A schism is not related only to Christians. The Great Schism back in the early 1000's was a split between what became the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches, but a schism by itself simply means a split, or division, into parts.

I honestly think that Lateralus as a whole has nothing to do with religion. The entire album has a theme of severed/broken relationships, reconciliation, and the thoughts that go with such things.

The religion analysis was quite interesting, and while I don't necessarily want to call it 'wrong', I am pretty sure that what you have come up with was not what Maynard was trying to say...[/QUOTE]

This is more or less what I was going to say in response to the Schism theory. It's very intereting, mind you, and I think everyone should find his own meaning behind songs, but I agree with Joz in the meaning.

And I as well don't like the official Tool site. The "updates" seem to be some moron just rambling on about things I really have no interest in, and rarely do they ever talk about the real Tool news. Am I wrong on this? If what they're talking about has to do with the new album, then please enlighten me.

Blair, the guy on toolband. He talks a lot about the melvins and other bands that play and hang out with tool. it is irrelevent to me as well, but it could be like toolshed and have nothing updated for years. at least blair will put out a newsletter and talk about what each individual band member did (if for example, they go on a long trip, or record an epic song, like the one he recently talked about.)

My advice is to read the december newsletter and if you think it's all complete nonsense, dont read blair's stuff anymore.

New update on toolband.com, scroll down to news letter.

I'd just like to remind any noobs crashing this thread to please go back and read old posts. And for God's sake, search the band elsewhere online if you want to actually sound like you know something.

I wonder what adam jones has come up with for the new album. They went from metal(dare i say it), to dark, to more of a heavy progressive, to amazing guitar riffs and mind blowing bass melodies. Looking through there past progressions as a band and how there music has changed so much over each cd, it's almost impossible to tell where they might go.
I only know one thing for sure, within a month i will beable to play at least half the new cd, because all i do is play tool, and i need some new **** learn.

[url]http://www.toolband.com/secrets/renne/main.html[/url]

[url]http://www.toolband.com/secrets/crypto.html[/url]

Some secret links on the site, in case people who haven't seen them can see it.

/My input on Schism

I've come to feel that it is the Tool equivalent of a breakup song but is easily applicable to any sort of falling out or breaking of ties. I think that is has to do with a betrayal that leads to the split. The lines that gave me this idea were "Between supposed brothers/Between supposed lovers"
Maybe there is something in there about how they were perfectly aligned with each other but something happened. The idea that a joist may be held in place forever but if the joist rots it will fall out, no matter how strong the bond was.

I'll agree that Schism is about the breaking of some deep/solid relationship with a friend, most probably the same person who is referred to in Ticks & Leeches, The Grudge, and Reflection.

[quote]The longer I wait for it, thew better it's bound to be[/quote]

By that logic, Chinese Democracy will be the best CD ever :D

[quote]anybody got an idea about Parabola[/quote]

Yes. But not just Parabola, you have to take into account Parabol as well, given how closely the tracks are related (on the CD, and lyrically)

Parabola/Parabola are more philosophical tracks, along the lines of Lateralus.
Listening to the lyrics should pretty much make it clear.
"We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion" -> is the gist of the song.
Regardless of what happens to your body, it is just a house for the soul. The eternal part of you which provides your consciousness.
There is a lot more that could be analysed, but I really think the lyrics of Parabola speak for themselves, and accompany Lateralus rather well (the song, not the whole album).

As for Schsm, it's about the only song by Tool which has an obvious interpretation for a break-up, not just of the Churches, but also a romantic relationship.

I also thought it might have been about an intimate/romantic relationship, it just didn't really come across as Maynards style.

[QUOTE]By that logic, Chinese Democracy will be the best CD ever [/QUOTE]

Nah, I was only saying that in reference to Tool. Procrastination is different than hard work anyways :P

Tool > Axl Rose and his band of everchanging friends