The Z series is out of production. It has been for years.

And if you mean Z Customs, that's just wrong, wrong wrong.

[QUOTE=dedard9fx]I don't know if you're looking to something that is very loud. If yes, you're like me. My favorite cymbals are the Z series from Zildjian. From the little splash, crashes, chinas, up to rides, they're very loud and have a really good sound live! I recommand you to try them and let me know if liked them! :thumb:[/QUOTE]

he said planet Z....which is bareassed low end cymbal

the answer is no. dont waste your money

[QUOTE=bobby__johnny]he said planet Z....which is bareassed low end cymbal

the answer is no. dont waste your money[/QUOTE]

Well ****, I've just gone and got it. It was on ebay, and I thought "hey cheap crash!"

I should have known better. Thanks.

woo hoo just scored a sabian metal x 20" ride with hardshell case for $80 :)

i just missed a 20" AA rock ride for £50=$100 :(

I'm looking for a new crash. Now I have 14'' AA rock hats, 20'' aa rock ride, 15 AAX dark crash and a wuhan 12'' china. So I want something that will fit these cymbals. I play all styles but I'm more into rock, funk and more pop rock things (like the police).

I want 17-18'' crash, and I like darker cymbals.

Hmmm, its not exactly a dark crash, but an AA 18" Medium Crash (yes I love that cymbal!) had a really nice, full sound, suitable to all styles of music. It would work well with what you have.

18 or 17inch AAX stage Crash or liek froggy boy up there said 18inch AA medium. im gonna get me a 17 AA medium after i get my hats.

Sabian AA Raw Ride 20"
Sabian AAX Stage Ride 20"
Sabian HHX Manhattan Jazz Ride 20"
Sabian SIGNATURE J. MAYER FIERCE RIDE 21"
Zildjian A Rock Ride 20"

What of these is the best cymbal for me?(I can get these cheap, all have about the same price), I want a non-gongy, dry sound and I actually like the Manhatten quite a bit, but is suitable for me since I play metal/rock.

[QUOTE=forgottenDRUMMER]18 or 17inch AAX stage Crash or liek froggy boy up there said 18inch AA medium. im gonna get me a 17 AA medium after i get my hats.[/QUOTE]


heh heh....i'm waiting for mine to come in :cool:


[quote]Sabian AA Raw Ride 20"
Sabian AAX Stage Ride 20"
Sabian HHX Manhattan Jazz Ride 20"
Sabian SIGNATURE J. MAYER FIERCE RIDE 21"
Zildjian A Rock Ride 20"

What of these is the best cymbal for me?(I can get these cheap, all have about the same price), I want a non-gongy, dry sound and I actually like the Manhatten quite a bit, but is suitable for me since I play metal/rock.[/quote]

try the AA Heavy Ride....perhaps where you like the Manhattan, a K or Hand Hammered Heavy ride too.

but of those rides, the AAX Stage Ride would be the most versatile, and the A Rock Ride is what your describing

So you recommend the a rock ride?, it's pretty dry right?

its not so much thats its dry, but when you play with other musicians, you'll notice the tonal spread will be cut down substansially

^^^ Bobby is right, I notice with my ping ride that the overtones disapper when I'm playing with a band as apposed to just playing by myself.

I'd go with the Avedis rock ride, maybe try an AA Rock Ride as well

i have an AAX Dry ride, and there are stll overtones....its impossible to avoid. a cymbal that big, is just going to ring. its physics

however for me to hear the tones over a guitar, i REALLY have to be playing the edge.

Some crashes bobby.

I want something dark and blending, yet explosive with a relatively quick decay.

And another, controllable with a good response also dark and maybe a bit trashy.

Keep durability in mind too. ;)

[QUOTE=bobby__johnny]he said planet Z....which is bareassed low end cymbal

the answer is no. dont waste your money[/QUOTE]

No no I mean Z Customs

**** this, i found some wuhan chinas that i wanted, so i went to check my paypal account and some a55hole used the buy it now feature and beat me to it.. **** this. What a way to start a monday.
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7349919495&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1[/url]

hey what do you guys think of the 7/9/11 sabian signature max splash?

[QUOTE=sleepless]Some crashes bobby.

I want something dark and blending, yet explosive with a relatively quick decay.

And another, controllable with a good response also dark and maybe a bit trashy.

Keep durability in mind too. ;)[/QUOTE]


1.) HHX Stage Crash

2.) Hand Hammered Fierce Crash

[quote] hey what do you guys think of the 7/9/11 sabian signature max splash?[/quote]

the 7" isnt my thing....the 9 and 11 are nice, but you can get equally nice cymbals for cheaper (AAX,AA Splashes)

also, it sucks that they come in brilliant only

HH Fierce Crash...is that fairly new? Because I can't find that anywhere.

nope, its a reletively old cymbal.

its a trashy crash, similar to the HHXtreme crash. i know portnoy is using one in his Siamese setup.

you can also hunt out the Signature Jojo Mayer Fierce crash....pretty much the same thing, only made to Mr. Mayers specs - both are awesome

i own a fierce crash. hard to find on the web and none of my local dealers kept it in stock. i had GC order it for me. its an excellent cymbal and fits the description of what youre looking for. however, it is very expensive. save your pennies.

Hey all, a few questions here.

I'm planning on making a VERY large cymbals purchase some time in the near future to upgrade from my current ZXT setup, and I wanna do this right. I have some ideas, but I thought I'd see what you all thought.

I play mostly rock/punk/metal music, my style could basically be wrapped up by saying "A less talented Dave Grohl with a double pedal."

I'm thinking of going with Zildjian A Hi-Hats, 2 or 3 K Custom Crashes, a Zildjian A Series Crash to use for chrash-riding, a Zildjian A series Ride (probably a sweet ride), a Z Custom China, and 2 or 3 either A or A custom splashes.

I've read in here that K rides are mostly for jazz, but I've seen K crashes used in quite a few rock scenarios lately, Dale Crover of The Melvins uses one, Lars Ulrich had 2 or 3 on his kit on the Some Kind of Monster movie, in addition to multiple other instances, and I have to say the sound impresses me. The only thing I'm really concerned about is if the volume can cut through loud rock/metal music. I'm also alittle concerned of the fact that I hit fairly hard, I wouldn't wanna spend all that money and end up cracking the **** out of 'em.

I've also read on here that Z Custom cymbals are very un-versatile, but the sound I'm looking for in a China is very specific. I really love the way Lars' china sounds on the Metallica recordings and live performances, and I'm rpetty sure he uses Z Custom.

I'm fairly confident in my other ideas, A's and A Customs are pretty versatile so they should be OK for the setup I want.

I'm also gonna take a trip to the closest Sam Ash soon and do some testing, but I wanna get some opinions from here too.

So, any opinions? Is my plan fairly sound?? Feedback is much appreciated.:)

well the k custom crashes probably wont project like you want them too. and seeing how youre a hard hitter it might not be a good idea to get thin crashes. unless you have really great technique. medium thin is good and medium would be great too.
for crashes i would recommend a medium thin dark crash probably in size 17. (jsut my opinion) then maybe an A medium crash in 18 and a medium thin in 16 or 17. as for a ride
i would recommend an A ping ride or an A rock ride instead of a sweet ride. they will project better unmiced in your metal settings. for hats id definataley go with A new beats or Quick Beats. really get out there and try somestuff out though. i was gonna list some options from sabian but seeing how everything you put was from zildjian i thought maybe you didnt like sabian. maybe ill post some sabian ideas soon.

if anyone could help me, that'd be great.

im looking for a new cymbal set-up. preferably all in the same brand, and if possible the same series, but this is not as important if im heavily limiting my sound. im looking for 3 crashes, and i thought something like 15", 16", 17" would be good. the 16 would be my main crash, and i would like it to sound quite high pitched and clean, with few overtones, but with a medium to short decay. i would like the same for the 15, but obviously at a higher pitch. i would ride on my 17, so i would like this to be very controllable, while keeping the bright sound that i have from my other crashes. i don't want this to be a huge sounding cymbal...i've found when riding on a large crash, it dominates the sound of the rest of the kit. so, controllable and light i suppose.

my ride i would like to be very heavy, with a very prominant ping and very little wash. my hats i would like to be no bigger than 13", and i would like these to be very light sounding, and very controlled when used open. again, i would like a very bright sound that cuts through, but i don't want the sound to dominate or get out of control even when hitting hard.

the sizes can change, you can give me any ranges or brands you like. i've looked at a lot of cymbals but i think i've been looking at the wrong models. im not a specific brand whore, i would just like my kit to look neat. money isn't really an issue.

thanks.

[quote]my ride i would like to be very heavy, with a very prominant ping and very little wash. my hats i would like to be no bigger than 13", and i would like these to be very light sounding, and very controlled when used open. again, i would like a very bright sound that cuts through, but i don't want the sound to dominate or get out of control even when hitting hard.[/quote]

thats a 20" AA Rock Ride, and 13" AAX Studio Hats right there.

[quote]I've read in here that K rides are mostly for jazz, but I've seen K crashes used in quite a few rock scenarios lately, Dale Crover of The Melvins uses one, Lars Ulrich had 2 or 3 on his kit on the Some Kind of Monster movie, in addition to multiple other instances, and I have to say the sound impresses me. The only thing I'm really concerned about is if the volume can cut through loud rock/metal music. I'm also alittle concerned of the fact that I hit fairly hard, I wouldn't wanna spend all that money and end up cracking the **** out of 'em.

I've also read on here that Z Custom cymbals are very un-versatile, but the sound I'm looking for in a China is very specific. I really love the way Lars' china sounds on the Metallica recordings and live performances, and I'm rpetty sure he uses Z Custom.[/quote]

your looking at K's, but its apparent that your into louder styles....K Custom crashes arent for you my friend.

HHX Stage and/or power crashes would be your best bet...dark, yet powerful

the K Heavy ride, will be perfect for what you are looking for.

as for the Z Custom china, well, its powerful, but i've found they arent all that trashy. maybe look into an AA china, or oriental China Trash

as for your A/Custom selections.....not bad choices

your crashes, are probably best bet to all be AA Medium-thin or AAX Stage Crashes...or a mix of both

[QUOTE=dedard9fx]No no I mean Z Customs[/QUOTE]

Like was said, planet Z not Z customs. I wish I could have snapped one of them up for £30! That cymbal came yesterday, its an 18" crash/ride. Its quite bright, with very little sustain and pretty much what you'd expect for thirty quid. Not great, but not terrible. Dont buy one as a main cymbal, whatever you do. Adds a different sound to the Sabian HHX I have though, which isn't bad.

Ive seen Wuhans mentioned before. They any good?

[QUOTE=elbassio]Ive seen Wuhans mentioned before. They any good?[/QUOTE]

yes

[QUOTE=forgottenDRUMMER]i was gonna list some options from sabian but seeing how everything you put was from zildjian i thought maybe you didnt like sabian. maybe ill post some sabian ideas soon.[/QUOTE]I don't have anything against Sabian, it's mainly just that I'm more familiar with Zildjian is why I listed all Zildjian. Thanks for your reply and bobby_johnny for yours too.

In a crash, I basically want something that projects well but that won't ring for ever and ever, I guess the word I'm looking for is a quick decay.. right?? I'm not realy savvy with all of the lingo. My current crashes are two ZXT-Rock cymbals and, well... i hate them, they ring forever and I have to really lay into them to get a decent sound.

I wanna have 3 crashes to use sporadically in the middle of grooves, and then the 4th I want to be the big boy that I can crash-ride on and use for entire sections of songs... For the large one, I'm thinking a 20" Rock Crash either A or AA?? As for the other 3, I'm pretty afraid of medium-thin. I mean I personally don't think I hit that hard, it just feels natural to me... but every other drummer who knows me all agree that I'm a hard hitter, so it must be true. And I have cracked a cymbal before, so as expensive as this is gonna be I want durability. But I also don't wanna have to kill the thing to get a good sound. Is medium durable enough to withstand my playing?? I guess I could use all rock crashes, but then that takes away the idea of having the seperate sound during different parts of grooves, which I really want.

About the Z Custom China, that's kinda what I'm going for. I don't want an extremely trashy sound, kinda like a slightly trashier crash, but I'll definitely be sure to test a whole bunch out and make sure it's the right choice. As much money as I'm gonna be sinking into this, I want everything to be just right.

I also really like the idea suggested of a K Heavy ride. I had originally thought the idea of a K ride was appealing but I read on here they were mostly for jazz. So a heavy ride would project enough for rock/punk,etc?? I won't be crashing on my ride much, if any... that's what I'm gonna use my 4th crash for. So basically out of a ride, I want a great ping sound that projects enough but isn't super bright; so as long is it's loud enough the K Heavy sounds right.

Thanks guys for your input, it's much appreciated. Any more suggestions/input is also very much appreciated... :)