Hmm... yeah.. i don't know what head and falsetto is... that might be my problem. I've tried reading a lot of yer stuff and i don't really know what those are...

Its all in there somewhere. But to sum up:

chest, head, falsetto.

chest resonates in your chest. You can feel it. Only lower frequencies can do that...in a nutshell...its your lower register. If you start low and slide up continuously in pitch you'll start to feel the point of resonance get higher and lighther and move up to your head. In your upper mid and upper range you'll feel it in your head and near your temples. if you relax and move up higher you should break into falsetto. The airy girly sounding voice. usually your highest notes. It's falsetto because the cords dont vibrate fully to get the sound. they open up a bit and kinda cut the air on ly the edges vibrate. Chest and head are "full voice" or true voice, meaning that the cords stay closed and vibrate in specific wave patterns, which create a richer fuller sound.

Basically its in regards to where you are in your range. But a key is making sure you know the area where you normally want to go into falsetto, as you leave you head voice and continue up in pitch. Especially since the cords are thinner as you go up in pitch.

ok..........i'm clueless....I'm trying to find a singing voice.......I kinda want to be able to sing pop punk or emo type rock...don't tell me to read the hotline thing.....it's complicated, i don't understand it......could someone help me......i don't know anything except for how you are supposed to breathe......i'm 14 almost 15 i have years ahead of me i don't need to learn anytime fast.......don't try to pull any miraculously sounding better stuff........can someone help me? tell me how to practice what to practice what so you mean by practicing that stuff you're telling me to practice etc. and please try to make it simple?

heh... al strzelecki... i kinda like yer post.
And Merkaba-1.. Thanks. I think i found them.. chest being lowest, head being kinda... middle and falsetto highest right?

ok... and for screaming... i've tried to read that too... I'm not that smart, i know, but i didn't really get much from the screaming. If you know the used i want to know how to sing like the main singer.... when i try to scream, one... it hurts, and two... it's not loud. If you got any tips that would be great!
THANKS!

Hey guys i got brought here by a google search "how to scream". I've read the voice help hotline a bunch of times trying to figure it out, but i cant. The guy (silver i think his name is) says to imagine you are pushing a scream out your temple, He says it doesnt even have to be loud.

My Problems are:

A: When i scream it is so fiendishly high pitched that my dog starts to bark.

B: I cant make a scream quiet....when im screaming its damn loud. I can kind of do a whisper falsetto thing that sounds sort of like screaming but not realy.

[QUOTE=Al Strzelecki]ok..........i'm clueless....I'm trying to find a singing voice.......I kinda want to be able to sing pop punk or emo type rock...don't tell me to read the hotline thing.....it's complicated, i don't understand it......could someone help me......i don't know anything except for how you are supposed to breathe......i'm 14 almost 15 i have years ahead of me i don't need to learn anytime fast.......don't try to pull any miraculously sounding better stuff........can someone help me? tell me how to practice what to practice what so you mean by practicing that stuff you're telling me to practice etc. and please try to make it simple?[/QUOTE]
So youre saying youre lazy, and you want a magic pill that will hurdle you into some quick epiphany of singing. If you can't sing or get it "naturally" then its gonna be complicated. Thats like saying I dont want to play guitar because its complicated. And what part do you not understand? Perhaps asking specifc questions would make it easier instead of discrediting a highly touted thread. Yea I created it but many people spent time reading and adding posts and other questions to it to make it flourish and to provide wisdom. There are tons of simple things in the hotline, and I guarantee you any advice you get, 95 percent of it will be a repeat from the hotline, if I or anyone else give it to you. So while youre waiting, for however long for someone to reply to your rather ambiguous request, and trust me, we get tons of them, you could have read the whole thread and be done. Its not really that long. Just pretend its a homework assignment. I know people have read more than thirty pages and taken notes before in school, and I really would rather invest more time into stuff like this than doing the same for the Joy Luck Club or the Socio Economic structure of New Guinea. Because the cords dont do anything but open and close and pull thinner or thicker. But you can really deter all of that by bad habit and incorrect larynx movements. If you know how to breathe you've got it half licked. "tell me how to practice what to practice what so you mean by practicing that stuff you're telling me to practice etc." WTF ???
Practice vowels, sing songs acapella and record yourself doing it.

[QUOTE=Ryan983]heh... al strzelecki... i kinda like yer post.
And Merkaba-1.. Thanks. I think i found them.. chest being lowest, head being kinda... middle and falsetto highest right?

ok... and for screaming... i've tried to read that too... I'm not that smart, i know, but i didn't really get much from the screaming. If you know the used i want to know how to sing like the main singer.... when i try to scream, one... it hurts, and two... it's not loud. If you got any tips that would be great!
THANKS![/QUOTE]
Screaming is being able to hold a note while increasing the air pushed, and increasing the closing force so the note holds, but not squeezing other muscles that you might think are synonymous with squeezing the cords. This can be tricky, so a slow build up of increasing push will help you isolate this. If you get pain youre using too much push and/or (probably and) youre tensing up and squeezing your throat in an attempt to get the sound and effect. You should practice singing with less push.

And have you ever seen any advice on how to sing like someone else? What could be said? He sings like everyone else sings, except his cords are his specific shape, size, elasticity, and his voice box/larynx is his specific size, shape, and position. Forget it. He might be tenor and you a low baritone. You'd never be able to match that. Never. Even if you worked enough to be able to close up true voice to whatever he does, it wont sound the same. Work from your speaking voice and speaking push. sing phrases here, then repeat one note higher. This will help you stay in touch with your true voice as you raise in pitch. Noone can hear you when you reach your upper ranges to able to tell whether or not youre squeezing or straining when you reach your head voice. So work slow. Every note should be comfortable or youre doing something wrong.

[QUOTE=Bubbles]Hey guys i got brought here by a google search "how to scream". I've read the voice help hotline a bunch of times trying to figure it out, but i cant. The guy (silver i think his name is) says to imagine you are pushing a scream out your temple, He says it doesnt even have to be loud.

My Problems are:

A: When i scream it is so fiendishly high pitched that my dog starts to bark.

B: I cant make a scream quiet....when im screaming its damn loud. I can kind of do a whisper falsetto thing that sounds sort of like screaming but not realy.[/QUOTE]
The temple thing is only for singing in head voice. thats why they call it head. Because you can feel the resonance and vibrations of the sound in your head, and your temples. In falsetto you dont get this.

If your scream is high pitched, its a matter of lowering your pitch and pushing. Simple, unless youre making the mistake of linking push and emotion with pitch. As I always say, sing the scream. Dont try to scream it. Go for the note like you would if you were gonna sing it, or just sing it to practice it.

I think its more important to realize that you can get a good rasp at a lower volume. I think thats what was being said. I think a quiet scream is an oxymoron.

Well i was working on what you said and i cant figure out how i can "sing the scream" whenever its not loud it just sounds like a really airy note. What should the lower volume scream feal like? Im going for an alexisonfire/silverstein type scream if that helps at all. Finaly i find that i have the perfect pitch when im just blowing air by my falsetto, but once i actualy start to use it the tone jumps really high.

Well for a lower volume note its harder to actually sing the scream. You should just be able to get rasp at a low volume. I dont know what alexis or silverstein sound like but it cant be but different. The only thing that really changes is the pitch. Then its just a matter of how much note you want behind the rasp. If you can't keep your note from jumping...then increase the air slowly while holding the note. And just to be sure...do you think you could hold this note for about ten seconds at least? if not then you might be pushing too much air. If youre over pushing you could be breaking into whistle register, lucky you, or you could just be pulling the pitch higher in a tensing up of the throat. Post a sample if you can.

Hey Merk,

I want to start a practice schedule, but I have no idea how to divide my time up- most websites seem to reccomend as a beginner 15-20 minutes but I'd like to try put something like 30 minutes and increase from there. Could you write up a sample practice schedule?

sing songs acapella? wtf? what is practicing vowels?

i'm not trashing the thread its probly a great thread, i just dont really have the energy right now to do anything. i have some issues, music's my only escape from the hatefullness of life. i just want to get good at what i love to do. and ya i guess u could say im lazy for that, i'm just asking what to do, or where specifically to look in those threads from the hotline.

i found out acapella, but still can u give me an example of practicing vowels?

ok,
I'm not a regualr in this thread. I play keyboards/synths in a symphonic black metal band, but I want to do backing vocals.
But I have a problem with clean vocals.
if I sing high notes in my falsetto voice, my voice loses all it's power and the high notes are really soft, and difficult to hear.

now if I try to put more strength behind them, the tone gets distorted and it sounds like crap.

so it's sort of a dilemma.
so anyone got any tips to improve the strength and loudness of my falsetto voice?

thank you :)

so yeah, i always hear about people live jame hetfeild and vince neil not being able to sing very good. I kinda like how they sound. what can it do to sound like them?

[QUOTE=Al Strzelecki]i found out acapella, but still can u give me an example of practicing vowels?[/QUOTE]
You'd really do yourself a service if you just fixed a snack or dinner, got a drink, and sat down and read the voicehelp hotline. Its all in there.
So you know what acapella is. And as previously stated...the cords can only make vowels. Consanants are provided by blocking the vowel after its made with your throat, teeth, tongue, cheeks, and any combination thereof. As I said, you never hear of anyone needing help with singing a tttt or a bbbbb right? The phonetic vowels for singing are: Ay, E,I,O, and U as in boot, not dew and ah. So I was saying practice these because they are the fundamentals. And its easier to isolate things if youre not worried about shaping the mouth and everything for a specific word. And again, I'm not talking about thirty minutes. Just a few minutes. It adds up over a while. Just sing them, holding an ay...and rising up in pitch smoothly(gliss) like a siren and back down on one breath(smooth=legatto). then do some stacatto, which would be broken, seperated. Do scales as well...all on each vowel,paying attention to any tension or stiffness you might create,which is a no no.

umm i hate to sound stupid here and all....but isolating the vocal cords? i just wanna know what this is doing exactly. i do know its a good thing, but what exactly does it do? and also what exactly is the difference between scales, doing the smooth thing like a siren, and the stacatto?

Alright il have to find a computer microphone or somthing, if your interested [url]www.purevolume.com/silverstein[/url] is where you can hear what im trying to get.

[QUOTE=Al Strzelecki]umm i hate to sound stupid here and all....but isolating the vocal cords? i just wanna know what this is doing exactly. i do know its a good thing, but what exactly does it do? and also what exactly is the difference between scales, doing the smooth thing like a siren, and the stacatto?[/QUOTE]
Isolating the cords mean you make your sounds without the throat/larynx moving around. Can you go up in pitch while keeping your adams apple from squeezing up?

Scales, as in do re me fa sol la ti do....etc. ABCDEF....and intervals....ACE...just typical scales in a given key.
smooth like a siren....as in one continuous sound from low to high, then high to low, then low to high to low..all in one smooth unbroken slide.

Stacatto is just ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah, e e e e e e,etc.....going up and down in pitch. But you still don't want the vowel to pop hard when you start each one. Dont blast it, you still want the start to be relatively soft.

Can i ask you a question ?
 

Hello Merkaba-1

In a thread in this forum about vocal excercices you mention the umportance of vocal warm up.
you said: "If you are smart you will also warm down"
What is to warm down one's own voice ?
Thank you so much for your time and generosity Merkaba-1

Warming down. Take a few minutes to lightly sing from your highest falsetto down to your lowest note. I usually do all vowels, ending on E. Then I'll buzz a few e's starting around regular speaking pitch and hold them. By buzzing I mean with lots of resonance, really relaxed and like a sinatra croon, or an opera note...I'll do these and slide them down real low and always end on e's as my last vowel.

If you find you dont have time to technically warm down...you should at least not stop vocalizing abruptly. You want to at least be able to keep talking and vocalizing after you've sung alot.

how can i do those crazy death metal growls without hurting my voice? sorry if this has been posted before.

Hey Merk. Im working on getting you some samples, trying to get soundclick figured out.

AL STRZELKI or whatever your name is i know the voice help hotline pretty well and id say this is what you are looking for [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=228211[/url]
its basicaly merkaba talking about rasping and stuff.

heres me [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=436330[/url]
its pretty bad, i laughed when heard it so yea anyways please your ideas on it.

Well doesnt sound that bad to me, technique wise. The only thing is that you might be pushing a bit more than you need to...only you can tell that by how much you can do it and how comfortable your throat is later. The falsetto scream didnt sound all that high pitched to me. It was loud, especially if youre doing it through a pillow. BUt again with that, all you have to do is, just be less loud....hehe. PUsh less. And try to work on different pitches. You shouldnt be too concerned, as far as these samples go.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Isolating the cords mean you make your sounds without the throat/larynx moving around. [B]Can you go up in pitch while keeping your adams apple from squeezing up?[/B]
QUOTE]



how do i do that?

discomfort
 

Hey folks,Ive been doing some exercises the best I can like just practicing singing vowels,doing glisses,things like that.Also,illl just sing along with songs i like ,trying to use what Im learning.

But what happens is after a few minutes i get this uncomfortable feeling on the top back of my throat(more like the top back of my mouth).Its not pain,its just discomfort.

Im sure other people have had this problem.Is this stemming from aimproper technique or is this just to be expected or what? And what can i do to fix it?

[QUOTE]Isolating the cords mean you make your sounds without the throat/larynx moving around. [B]Can you go up in pitch while keeping your adams apple from squeezing up?[/B]




how do i do that?[/QUOTE]
Exactly
practice...because most people seem to think that they are synonymous. Now if you swallow, you'll feel your adams apple go up because its closing your windpipe so you dont choke on what youre swallowing. Now a closed windpipe, or partially closed obviously isn't helpful for singing. This is why i preach isolation work so much. Its boring mostly, but an important concept to grasp. You just have to learn how to use them independently. Now the adams apple will rise slightly but it shouldnt much , and definitely not squeeze up. Have you read the isolation thread?

[QUOTE=JukeBoxHero]Hey folks,Ive been doing some exercises the best I can like just practicing singing vowels,doing glisses,things like that.Also,illl just sing along with songs i like ,trying to use what Im learning.

But what happens is after a few minutes i get this uncomfortable feeling on the top back of my throat(more like the top back of my mouth).Its not pain,its just discomfort.

Im sure other people have had this problem.Is this stemming from aimproper technique or is this just to be expected or what? And what can i do to fix it?[/QUOTE]
How long are you practicing? And have you been doing much singing before now? It could just be the constant extra wind hitting your throat. See if it dissipates over the next week or so, if you keep practicing that is.

I dont practice for very long because of the discomfort.And today when i woke up, I had a sharp pain in the right side of my throat(same area i mentioned before,but just the right side) everytime i swallowed.

Its only been a few dys since I started.

Hey merk, any exercises for working on my scream pitch/tone. Thanks for the other advice on my stuff as well.

i have a problem staying on key without music.
i could sing sex pistols/iggy pop/janis joplin/even jello biafra/ voices like that, but when i try to sing normally (especially depeche mode i noticed) i can't seem to get on key.
i also have a really horrible sounding singing voice. i can change it though (to sound kind of like sex pistols/iggy pop/janis joplin) but when i try to sing regular, it sounds stupid. not even bad, just stupid. i have this weird low kid sounding voice going on. :upset:

and i've been trying to write a song (once again) but a lot of words i can't even say cause it sounds so dam[i]n[/i] stupid coming from me. like the word "talking" i had to take out, now i have to think of 2 new lines >:o

[QUOTE=JukeBoxHero]I dont practice for very long because of the discomfort.And today when i woke up, I had a sharp pain in the right side of my throat(same area i mentioned before,but just the right side) everytime i swallowed.

Its only been a few dys since I started.[/QUOTE]Well you shouldnt be having this much pain and problems from singing/screaming. If so youre straining way too much. Plus its not uncommon to pull neck and back muscles from straining while singing. I've done it before. I would suggest you take some days off and start back slowly without pushing alot or trying to scream for a few days.

[QUOTE=Bubbles]Hey merk, any exercises for working on my scream pitch/tone. Thanks for the other advice on my stuff as well.[/QUOTE]
Pitch is how high or low the note is. Tone is just quality,timbre and how well the note rings and resonates, and how clear it is. Both are a function of strength and flexibility, and thats covered in the voicehelp hotline.

[QUOTE=real_low_mind]i have a problem staying on key without music.
i could sing sex pistols/iggy pop/janis joplin/even jello biafra/ voices like that, but when i try to sing normally (especially depeche mode i noticed) i can't seem to get on key.
i also have a really horrible sounding singing voice. i can change it though (to sound kind of like sex pistols/iggy pop/janis joplin) but when i try to sing regular, it sounds stupid. not even bad, just stupid. i have this weird low kid sounding voice going on. :upset:[/QUOTE] Youre speaking mostly of opinion. We dont know how you sound. Most people dont like their singing voice, at first at least. It might not be that bad. Besides practicing and recording without music theres not much else you can do for this type of thing, and for learning to stay on key. It just takes practice and muscle/interval memory. It could be a lot of work. There's just not much you can say in text to help someone match pitch or key, or get a fuller tone. There's always personal lessons if you feel like you dont make any progress.

Ok so due to situations, i am now the singer for my band. I scream for the 99%, but after holding a note i tend to fall off into a nu metal singing. I get the perfect pitch and everything that i want, is it just that i dont have the stamina yet? or am i doing something wrong?

Screaming is taxing. Extremely. HOpefully youre doing it correctly and not overpushing. If you cant hold your notes its due to stamina, which might be lessened due to overpushing and/or incorrect technique. what time frame are we talking here?

Like the thing is i can go through a whole set fine, its just when i hold a note for say, 4-5 seconds it just kinda drowns out and goes back to singing, but that realy bad raspy numetal singing.

You will do fine.

Meh

Go to PA Thread in Classifieds (East Coast) if you read this.

Hey guys, id like you offer me some constructive critcism on my singing in this band i know its bad but id like to know what i could do to improve or change
heres the link
[url]www.myspace.com/euphoriavis[/url]
if the link doesnt work just copy and paste the address into the address bar

Id love to sing in a band, I really would like to sing like Nate Barlow from Finch. I can get the pitch of his voice, I think I sound okay when singing along but when recorded I sound pretty pants... could say I sound like im slightly holding my nose, not as bad as A7x singer tho hah.

My main consern is I cant produce power in my voice... Any advice?

Cheers

Dean

I have a similiar problem as Dean. I'm trying to sing stuff like Blink-182 (Asthenia, I'm Lost Without You), Coheed And Cambria, etc. I can definately hit the notes and stuff but....

1. My voice is not thick, whatsoever. It literally lacks everything. I've recorded into a cheap $12 mic and it sounds really thin/weak.

2. Normally, I don't talk loud. Does this mean that I'll have to push really hard to sing? I can hit those notes, but I can't sing as loud as a person can sorta shout.

So, I would like to get some tips on how to make my voice thicker and a way I can project my voice more. Thanks in advance!:wave:

do you have to be born with whistle tone or can you practise and get it going on, and whats a gun exercise to fix your transition between chest voice and head voice good, because about the A range, my chest voice is strained by my head voice is weak... help?