[QUOTE=Underoath]Ok, I finally got it. Here is me screaming. I know it's not good quality and I improvised EVERY part of it. Anywho, here it is, click on @_@ [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/wonderbread.htm[/url]

Edit: Wait till 1:34 before you start to hear sound. Something happened while I recorded it and it doesnt start till then @_@.[/QUOTE]


hey what effects did u use?

[QUOTE=SchismBassist]JAY! Where are you!?![/QUOTE]

OK..SB.....
I finally got to listen to 36Crazyfists.. On "Skin".this guy has a strong powerful voice...awesome singer...only effect I could hear on his voice was a quantizing effect.. in otherwords wher they thicken the vocal track electronically...
The low end growl.. sounded like him... but he used it sparingly & very tastefully..his phrasing & vocal tone are excellent....

Next I checked out "Slit Wrist Theory"
Again...some digital slapback echo, reverb & double vocal tracks ...
on the chorus..when he screams GTFO....etc...it is him screaming but I hear some very slight digital distortion or modulation..just to make it sound a little more crunchier.... excellent stuff..
With a lot of practice, any good vocalist should be able to sound a lot like this vocalist...
This guy is a pro with a lot of years under his belt...

Keep practicing...rock on...

Jay

[QUOTE=Generals Warning]hey what effects did u use?[/QUOTE]
None. That is all my real voice.

[QUOTE=Underoath]None. That is all my real voice.[/QUOTE]

well to me it sounds that there is one

Thanks Jay. At the college they have singing lessons coming up in August. I was wondering if you think I should take them? I believe it's for a week or two and the fee is $200 I believe. What ya think?

Underoath-Listen to it. For an improvised song, it sounded decent. I don't know if you would call it a chorus but when you scream the "Bleed and something ashes part" *Sorry, couldnt make out the words. That sounded awesome man. Doesn't sound like he is using an effect Warning but maybe im wrong.

[QUOTE=Underoath]None. That is all my real voice.[/QUOTE]

Underoath...
I heard your track, & I have to tell ya...It hurt my vocal chords to hear you sing like that...
If that was not affected in any way by a distortion effect , then you won't have a voice after singing like that for 12 months....
Trust me, I Have been singing rock & metal for over 20 years...
I have a great growl when I need it..but it took years of training...
Please consider a vocal coach before you go off & screw up your vocal chords. BTW, you have a pretty good tone, when you sing regular....
Start with that & go slowly with the screaming...

Good LUck..
Jay

[QUOTE=SchismBassist]Thanks Jay. At the college they have singing lessons coming up in August. I was wondering if you think I should take them? I believe it's for a week or two and the fee is $200 I believe. What ya think?

Underoath-Listen to it. For an improvised song, it sounded decent. I don't know if you would call it a chorus but when you scream the "Bleed and something ashes part" *Sorry, couldnt make out the words. That sounded awesome man. Doesn't sound like he is using an effect Warning but maybe im wrong.[/QUOTE]

Sb ...ANY singing lessons will always help..make sure you get a qualified vocal coach..& the $200 is worth it.....
I used to pay $80 per hour, and that was back in the early & Mid 80's...so the two week course would definitely be worth it.....
Any investment in your voice, is a good one, since your voice is your instrument...

Keep rockin' SB

Jay

Nice nice, thanks Jay!

If you think that static or whatever is distortion..it's not. I was just singing pretty close to the ****ty mic that I have and it came out like that. JayL it does not bother me throat or anything at all when I scream. I am trying to use my Falsetto(sp?) voice with some push from my diaphram. Am I even doing it right? Also, I would love to take singing lessons but unfortunetly I come from a small town and we don't have anything here. The closest thing I have to singing lessons is trying to match keys with my keyboard...

It's hard to tell from that track...
I think the s****y mic was cool cause it gave you some natural disortion , which is cool... I need to hear more of your singing to make a proper analysis.....

In the next 30-60 days, I am working hard to develop an on line rock vocal clinic....it will be
1.Real Cheap for a months worth of lessons
2. Interactive, I will find a way for you to post your voice so I can hear where you are at/ Plus I will post MP3 of lessons you can sing to....
3.I will be giving one on one lessons & also telephone support...
4. I will only take younger vocalist who are very serious .
5. I will only take vocalist who want to sing rock, hard rock, or metal....

My Web Dev is working on the whole thing right now...
SO, I also want to hear from you guys as to what you think would work & be helpful to you on this type of web site...
Thanks,
Jay

Wow. That would be great! Everything you mentioned would go very well. I'd surely pay for some lessons. As for my scream, did you like it? honestly?

Yep, I think it needs some work, but you have the basics right.....
I won't BS anyone, I've been doing this 23 years & if you have no talent or natural ability, I won't waste your time or mine...
I Take singing very serious, & I would like to help younger vocalists get the right start in this business....
So, I will keep you posted Underoath.. as soon as I have more info on my web site...
Keep working on your voice....

Jay

Will do. I am singing everyday *as we speak* and working on staying in key. Can't wait till this site of yours is up. Thanks for being straight forward aswell :)

[QUOTE=JayLink]Sb ...ANY singing lessons will always help..make sure you get a qualified vocal coach..& the $200 is worth it.....
I used to pay $80 per hour, and that was back in the early & Mid 80's...so the two week course would definitely be worth it.....
Any investment in your voice, is a good one, since your voice is your instrument...

Keep rockin' SB

Jay[/QUOTE]


$80 per hour :eek:
wow glad I live in Holland
I Pay $15 a week...
yeah I love that :naughty:

[QUOTE=EcolliJK]$80 per hour :eek:
wow glad I live in Holland
I Pay $15 a week...
yeah I love that :naughty:[/QUOTE]


Hey EcolliJK...
That is a very reasonable price for a weekly lesson...
I am thinking of charging $19.95 per month US, and you only have to purchase a month at a time, no contract or long lock in's....
Again for that price, I will be giving a lot of one on one instruction, evaluations,
interactive lessons, & even telephone evaluations...so I think it's a pretty fair price for 30 days of rock vocal coaching...at 1 full lesson per week...

What do you guys think??

Jay

Yeah
I think that would be a fair price
guess that you'll get a lot of people asking for lessons in the beginning Jay
Because as far as i read it's not quite easy to get a vocal teacher
I think it's kewl your doing this

(yeah nevermind the writing mistakes)

Thanks for you input EcolliJK...
I want to keep the amount of vocal students small..say around 50-60 per month...
If I get a lot more young singers interested, I can always get some help from other Musicians I know & then later down the road, expand to some guitar , bass & drum clinics online, if the rock vocal thing is successful...

Keep Rockin'

Jay

help!
 

ok i seriously need some help nobody eveer seems to reply to my posts but here it goes. I'gve been tryign to scream for awhile and practicing at it but im always unsatisfied. the closest i've been is when i just went real loud and i made sure not to do it for long periods of time and drink fluids. i've also tried the falsetto/whsiper and pushing alot of air out and it sounds like shat. so which one is correct, and what am i doing wrong? im trying to get a thrice shout or a scream like the used

[QUOTE=chris4aker]ok i seriously need some help nobody eveer seems to reply to my posts but here it goes. I'gve been tryign to scream for awhile and practicing at it but im always unsatisfied. the closest i've been is when i just went real loud and i made sure not to do it for long periods of time and drink fluids. i've also tried the falsetto/whsiper and pushing alot of air out and it sounds like shat. so which one is correct, and what am i doing wrong? im trying to get a thrice shout or a scream like the used[/QUOTE] Listen to my recording. I used the whole air/push with my falsetto voice. I am trying to get the whole Used/new Underoath status scream but it's really hard. But I'm trying. Listen and try :)

[QUOTE=chris4aker]ok i seriously need some help nobody eveer seems to reply to my posts but here it goes. I'gve been tryign to scream for awhile and practicing at it but im always unsatisfied. the closest i've been is when i just went real loud and i made sure not to do it for long periods of time and drink fluids. i've also tried the falsetto/whsiper and pushing alot of air out and it sounds like shat. so which one is correct, and what am i doing wrong? im trying to get a thrice shout or a scream like the used[/QUOTE]

Hey Chris4aker, I try to answer as much as I can & I missed your post. Plus I am in the studio right now, so not much free time.
Anyway, you are on the right track...Breathing & vocal exercises, warm up before singing, and keep practicing. In order for me to help you any further, I need to hear you singing. do you have any MP3's or anything recorded?
That would help me see where you are at...also, how old are you & how long have you been singing...
Take Care

Jay

Would anyone happen to have a software to change wav. files or any file into MP3 files? I have a song I recorded but soundclick doesn't upload anything but Mp3 files. Thanks.

I use a program called db Power Amp Converter...It converts wav to MP3 & many other things...
If you have cool edit 2.o it also converts all foles to MP3.

I think you can get db Power Amp Converter off Kaazaa

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/gregbertmusic.htm[/url]

just click on the first and only song there, just a quick sample, i added a little bit of distortion, quite a bit of compression. But any tips? am i killing my voice? on the right track? ultimately i want to get a scream similar to the used or finch, so more high end i guess.

How the hell do you scream like that? I try so hard but can't achieve it. Hey Jay, I don't have kazaa. Could you maybe send me that AMP converter so i could use it?

So, I want to say something.

I couldn't scream for the longest time. I kept trying to get a specific scream out, and I got this raspy whisper that made no noise whatsoever. A few days ago, I figured it all out. Everyone has their own scream. There is a certain pitch you hit (usually in the higher range, but not soprano or anything... just not really low metal growl stuff) with your normal singing voice where you can put a lot of force behind it. It's a little difficult to find, but just try to yell something, like you would if someone couldn't hear you, and put a lot of force and air behind it. I did this and found my scream. Once you find it, mess with the pitch, play with it, just don't overdo it... I near killed my throat by putting too much air behind it. My only problem now is that it's too loud! I have to either turn my mic down or get farther away from it when I do it.

In other words, if you want to scream, don't imitate, originate. Find your own scream and execute.

I have my scream. I wouldn't change it, but it is always fun to explore other techniques and see what you can do with those.

[QUOTE=Underoath]How the hell do you scream like that? I try so hard but can't achieve it. Hey Jay, I don't have kazaa. Could you maybe send me that AMP converter so i could use it?[/QUOTE]

Hey Underoath,
Send me your e mail addy & I'll see how big the file is..
I might have to burn it on a disc & send it to you.
I will check on it tomorrow....

Jay

[QUOTE=SubtleDagger]So, I want to say something.

I couldn't scream for the longest time. I kept trying to get a specific scream out, and I got this raspy whisper that made no noise whatsoever. A few days ago, I figured it all out. Everyone has their own scream. There is a certain pitch you hit (usually in the higher range, but not soprano or anything... just not really low metal growl stuff) with your normal singing voice where you can put a lot of force behind it. It's a little difficult to find, but just try to yell something, like you would if someone couldn't hear you, and put a lot of force and air behind it. I did this and found my scream. Once you find it, mess with the pitch, play with it, just don't overdo it... I near killed my throat by putting too much air behind it. My only problem now is that it's too loud! I have to either turn my mic down or get farther away from it when I do it.

In other words, if you want to scream, don't imitate, originate. Find your own scream and execute.[/QUOTE]


Excellent Advice SubtleDagger:
Being original with your singing & scream is what you have to focus on...

Keep Rockin'

Jay

[QUOTE=eski][url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/gregbertmusic.htm[/url]

just click on the first and only song there, just a quick sample, i added a little bit of distortion, quite a bit of compression. But any tips? am i killing my voice? on the right track? ultimately i want to get a scream similar to the used or finch, so more high end i guess.[/QUOTE]

Hey Eski..
You got kind of a Bon Scot AC/DC vocal style going on there only lower...
I am sure I could help you. I think your on the right track, but you need more support & have to open up vocally a little more...
again my online rock vocal clinic is being developed....
I will have sign ups in about 2 more weeks...
the site when up will be [url]www.rock-vocals.com[/url]

Good Work...

Jay

Jay: My email is [email]Corrosionmetal@yahoo.com[/email] . Thanks again :-)

I think I need to be taught this in person, I'm stupid. :(

I mean, sure if I shout loud enough my voice will crack up into a hardcore punk kind of scream, but that can't be good for my vocal chords. Working with the falsetto technique I can only do a shriek, when I try to bring the pitch down, it just dies. It also irritated my throat a bit, even with water and honey. So I guess I need to know how to distort my voice without using my throat, as you said. I can support a scream with my diaphram, but how can that actually create the scream sound?

I am a decent baritone singer, and taking voice lessons. My teacher is experienced with classical, jazz, and rock/pop, but not screaming, especially as she's a middle aged woman. I just want the versitility to throw in a scream here and there, maybe something like MJK, Chino, or the guy from the used.

[QUOTE=italic zero]I think I need to be taught this in person, I'm stupid. :(

I mean, sure if I shout loud enough my voice will crack up into a hardcore punk kind of scream, but that can't be good for my vocal chords. Working with the falsetto technique I can only do a shriek, when I try to bring the pitch down, it just dies. It also irritated my throat a bit, even with water and honey. So I guess I need to know how to distort my voice without using my throat, as you said. I can support a scream with my diaphram, but how can that actually create the scream sound?

I am a decent baritone singer, and taking voice lessons. My teacher is experienced with classical, jazz, and rock/pop, but not screaming, especially as she's a middle aged woman. I just want the versitility to throw in a scream here and there, maybe something like MJK, Chino, or the guy from the used.[/QUOTE]


Hey Italic Zero....

Your more than halfway there, with the vocal lessons, good job...at least you are learning how to sing properly...
Scream technic IS a little harder. There was another thread where someone said, each person's scream is an individual thing, and I tend to agree with that. So you need to find a range you feel comfortable in & try to develop your scream from there..I would have to somehow listen to you with a MP3 or at least over the telephone, to see where the mechanical problem lies.
Let me know if you can post an MP3 somewhere..acapella is cool (no Music)

Keep at it....
Jay

Yeah, you can't try for a certain pitch, you have to find the pitch that is most comfortable for you. I can't really duplicate any one person's scream when I do it... I don't sound like Moreno or any hardcore bands specifically, but it sounds individual. I myself don't go into falsetto, I'm sort of right between falsetto and tenor. Like I said, when I first did it, I coughed like crazy, because I thought, "Hey! I can do this!" and put all this air into it. You have to be moderate when you do it. I suggest singing notes normally, but in your own voice. Many people try to sing like other people by using their nose and closing their throat to get a certain pitch. You have to open up your throat and not breathe through your nose (sort of like when you yawn) and sing with your own voice. Then you find a certain pitch you can put a lot of force behind, and there it is.

[QUOTE=JayLink]Hey Chris4aker, I try to answer as much as I can & I missed your post. Plus I am in the studio right now, so not much free time.
Anyway, you are on the right track...Breathing & vocal exercises, warm up before singing, and keep practicing. In order for me to help you any further, I need to hear you singing. do you have any MP3's or anything recorded?
That would help me see where you are at...also, how old are you & how long have you been singing...
Take Care

Jay[/QUOTE]

hey Jay thanks for responding. im 16 almost 17 and i've been singing for about 3 years now (regular singing like choir) so i've picked upa few exercises but not really trying to scream until this fall. i will record myself screaming both ways..if u have aol or aol instant messanger it would be nice to talk to u on there and send it through that

thanks a lot for the help, ive been doing those death metal screams for a long time now, but to be honest they sound ****. Ive recently discovered that i had a falsetto voice. Ive not managed to use it fully in a practise or anything, but i'm working on it. thanks again

here's a tip:

buy a humidifier and inhale the mist through your nose every chance you get. this takes the water STRAIGHT to your vocal chords as opposed to drinking water, which can take anywhere between 20 minutes and 90 minutes to get to your chords.

remember, what you swallow goes through the esophagus, not through your trachea, which is where your chords are and your inhalation travels...

[url]http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/imagepages/1118.htm[/url]

im 14 and im learning to scream...i always practice 187 by senses fail cause thats a pretty good song to learn(i think) anyways...teh first time i do, it sounds great...but after the 2nd or 3rd time...it sounds like ****...i dunno why...my screaming get REALLY high pitched(my scream is already high pitched) to where my voice dies out alot...ill try to go drink some water and take a break for about 5 minutes...doesnt help......can anyone tell me what im doing wrong? thanks

Hahaha.. I can just imagine going off to the side of the stage for a second between songs, bending down and inhaling some kind of smoky vapor ;)

haha, becareful about where you put it or the audience might see and think you're taking a hit or something :D

[QUOTE=thee unsound]I read the post on screaming and I noticed although it describes the scream and the kinda bands that do the screams it doesn't really describe technique ... besides saying "sing from here and push" ... easier said than done.

I've been doin vocals for about 4 or 5 years now and have taken singing lessons and have developed a pretty good "chino" or maynard scream (like he does on ticks and leeches). You could also use this same technique to do screams of the emo kind. I've never been interested in doing the low pitch grunt screams you here in slipknot so I won't be really getting into that... although once you master this scream those one are ridiculous easy to do.

Before you start: Just be carefull that reading this in no way can really prepare you in the way a proffessional instructor can. I highly reccomend singing lessons before you start screaming your head off so you can learn some proper form. But if you're impatient and think you can read instructions carefully err go ahead :)


Alright here goes:

#0 shut your door, or make sure nobodys home, this is pretty important because you can't be shy about this at all, if you do it half assed its gonna sound like ****... also your parents or whoever your living with is gonna think your a fackin psycho. No worries at my house though, they already think im crazy.

#1 take a deep breathe :) and open your mouth, wide motherfacker... nobodys gonna here you if your shy and have your mouth half closed. Practise your breathing every night put a book on your chest and lift it up with your stomach as you breathe in. Eventually try to see if you can breathe in and breathe out only once a minute.

#2 stand up straight and put your shoulders back so your vocal cords are open--i cannot stress this enough, i realise that many singers on stage do not do this but that is because they are so well trained they think they dun have to :) well they're wrong, in the studio when they do it, I'm almost 100% sure they aren't crouching or jumping around. Since you are just starting make sure you do this so you don't **** up your voice.

#3 raise your cheekbones up so it looks like your kinda makin a stupid grinning face. I'm not really sure what this does, but it works, every vocal teacher I've had has told me to do this. If you want to do as little damage to your vocal cords as possible do this.


#4 Practise with a microphone, nobody can sound like they do without a microphone... its the distortion you get through the PA that makes the scream sound good. Plus when you practise with a microphone you get a feel for how loud you actualy have to scream. When you have a mic you'll find you really don't have to scream so loud... thus the reason why a singer can go do shows 7 days a week and not **** up his voice.

#5 (this is where some of you maybe leaving us) Ok, do know the difference between full voice and falsetto? You know how you can sing 2 ways, one with your full voice (gut) and one a little girly voice thats comming just through your throat... it doesn't have any power really but it can go really high. When you scream, you want to use this voice if you don't want to wreck yourself. For years i tried to scream with my diaphram and i kept hurting my throat and for some stupid reason i thought eventually it would get used to it... it doesn't. Please do not try to do this unless you are doing low pitched screams.

Anyways, into the mic, with your falsetto voice (i cannot stress enough that you use your falsetto voice and not your full) , and I know this sounds stupid but try to imagine that your singing out of the temple of your head... and push as hard as you can a scream. It doesn't have to be loud even, you are using a microphone, it just has to be pushed really hard from your throat.

#6 don't get discouraged if you don't get it right away... it takes time. I would sugguest if you haven't already take some vocal lessons... it helps a lot strengthening your falsetto. If you don't have a strong falsetto you'll never be able to scream.

And lastly, pick songs that have easier screams at first. Listen to the breathing of the screams, and try to breathe when they do. Do not try to do something insane like Deftones - Elite LOL I've been screamin like 2 years now and i still can barely get through the whole song without goin red in the face from lack of air. Go for quality over loudness, your scream doesn't have to be loud, you can turn the mic up, as long as it sounds hardcore. The loudness of your scream will come with time. I strongly recommend easy 1 sylable screams first :) I like my own summer.
When he's doin "cooooooomeeee" "shooooveeee" "the suuuuuuunnnn" "asssiidee"

Note: Kurt Cobain "screaming" isn't screaming, its aggresive pitched singing and isn't something you can reallyteach, If you can't hit those notes you can't hit them. Its like asking someone to teach you to have a higher voice. Its true with a lot of practise you can increase your vocal range, but in most cases you are pretty much stuck with what you got. If you have a crummy deep voice like scott stapp of creed lol don't expect to be doing and cobain screams any time soon.[/QUOTE]




i have heard from some sources that whilst screaming you are using only a tiny bit of breathe so you dont damge your throat, have you heard of it or is that what you kind of mean when you say use falsetto?