His name is blow job dammit.

[QUOTE=Oz Rembrandt]YES! I'm an angry lazy teenager with no girlfriend songs!

Thats what got me hooked.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, he can't really sing about that stuff now that he has a wife. That wouldn't be genuine. It's one thing to keep playing those songs for the fans, it's another thing to keep writing about them. That would simply be trying to recycle the same material. They would continue to sell albums and they wouldn't try to do anything original. They would be selling out their ideals if they didn't try to move on.

Whether you like Warning or American Idiot, they are not mainstream sell out pop rock. Warning is more inspired by the Byrds and Kinks than anything that was popular at the time. And American Idiot actually tries to make an artistic statement--despite all the sappy ballads.

he could complain about his wife.. I know thier marriage isn't that perfect.

I fail to see an artistic statement in American Idiot. I see an album pulled together, just barely, and stuck with a "We hate George Bush" ethic to it, because its whats the popular thing these days.

As for Warning, well, I don't deny that its a good album, but the influences don't interest me. Those arn't bands that interest me, so the music appeals to me less.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be moving forward, I'm saying that thats what got me into them, but they've moved away from singing about things I can relate to anymore.

I think AI is quite a solid album to be fair.

^agreed

not thier best, but solid

I don't, but its not because it rose to super-popularity, its probably more because of that very reason that it no longer lyrically appeals to me. I'm not a politically based person. Also, the music seems fairly simple. Maybe it was intended, but I miss Mike Dirn't hammer on work.

yeh they really didn't have that much bass on this.

im still a little thankfull to American Idiot because it got me into Green Day, and then I got Dookie, and I was like Whoa! They can do this?!

Haha, Nimrod got me into Green Day, and I bought their back logs from their on, and they just got better and better. Warning came out, and I was a little dissapointed, but I still loved the album.

It didn't have very good bass because of Mike's wrist.

I actually got Nimrod before Dookie, but I can't say which one I like better. My second all-time favorite song is on Nimrod, though. Hitchin A Ride.

What happened to his wrist?

He developed Carpel Tunnel Syndrome, which is a degenerative disease of the nerves in the wrist, restricting movement.

My fav song on Nimrod has to be Scattered.

[QUOTE=Oz Rembrandt]He developed Carpel Tunnel Syndrome, which is a degenerative disease of the nerves in the wrist, restricting movement.

My fav song on Nimrod has to be Scattered.[/QUOTE]
Scattered is a pretty bitchin' song.
Worry Rock is a close second though.

Another Sentimental argument, and bitter love...

Yeah, Worry Rock is a Top Tune too.

Was Cigarettes And Valentines (The stolen Album) ever leaked onto teh net?

[QUOTE=Invalid-Username]Was Cigarettes And Valentines (The stolen Album) ever leaked onto teh net?[/QUOTE]
Nope, but in my opinion, I think that what was Cigarettes And Valentines ended up as The Network's album.
They both seemed to happen at around the same time, but I may not be correct, as it was a couple of years ago.

I doubt greenday would of released the network as there own stuff, its too different, and not like them, i think that would of made them loose lots of fans.

I saw GD live back when I was obsessed with American Idiot among other Pop-Punk CDs, they were good but Billie's constant sing/sing back games bored the sh[i]i[/i]t out of me.

[QUOTE=Oz Rembrandt]I fail to see an artistic statement in American Idiot. I see an album pulled together, just barely, and stuck with a "We hate George Bush" ethic to it, because its whats the popular thing these days.[/quote]

There's barely anything political on the album. The first track is the whole "Don't do what the establishment tells you to do" thing that Green Day has been doing since "She". It's more about the media than George W. "Holiday" is about war. On live shows, they rant about Bush, but not on the album. The album is a story: Dirnt calls it a punk love story or something like that. That's a lot more accurate than calling it a Bush-bashing album.

[quote]As for Warning, well, I don't deny that its a good album, but the influences don't interest me. Those arn't bands that interest me, so the music appeals to me less.[/quote]

I'm not a big Warning fan because I think it gets a bit too repetitive in the middle. I understand completely that you don't enjoy the style. An acoustic guitar? A riff ripped from the Kinks (slight modification). A song that is a re-working of Petula Clark?

But that's really Green Day's secret love--60s Pop. It's like The Clash releasing Regae songs or a lot of Dub. They're a punk band, but they play more than punk.

[quote]I'm not saying they shouldn't be moving forward, I'm saying that thats what got me into them, but they've moved away from singing about things I can relate to anymore.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Thanks for forming a cojent argument though. Most people just type *OMGz, American Idiot iz t3h bst b-coz Billi3 J03 iz h@w7!1*
It was refreshing.

^did (or is) mike getting surgery or something for it? I believe my father had a carpal tunnel.

Yes, Mike has had surgery for his wrist, and is apparently back to normal playing ability.

was kind of hoping the lack of good bass wasn't voluntary.

it wanst amazing in first place.

Not amazing, but above average. Better than alot in the genre.

not above average imo

Fair enough. Depends who you compare him too. Les Claypool, maybe not. Mark Hoppus, Definatley.

its not BAD

[QUOTE=Oz Rembrandt]I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Thanks for forming a cojent argument though. Most people just type *OMGz, American Idiot iz t3h bst b-coz Billi3 J03 iz h@w7!1*
It was refreshing.[/QUOTE]

Well, I can relate to how you feel. It's not like I became a Green Day fan with American Idiot. I was a fan before, and I was interested in hearing American Idiot. I've become more interested in serious music since I first started listening to Green Day, so I listened to American Idiot as a whole album--rather than a sum of songs.

It really is a much better album as a concept than musically. I liked Boulevard of Broken Dreams when I first heard it, then became horrified at how overplayed and overrated it became. The preppy girl in High School who you hate sings "Don't you wish your boy friend was hot like me" followed by "I walk a lonely road, the only one I've ever known". It was kind of sickening, so I picked a new song that was underrated--Holiday. Of course, that became the next single, so I had to move on.

Both are still good tracks. They're overplayed, but that doesn't make them bad. The real top tracks on AI are Jesus of Suburbia, Letterbomb, and Homecoming. They all are key events in the concept, but are great musically as well. I'm glad that two of those songs are too long to get airplay around here. I know a Top 40 station wouldn't touch them.


By the way, Mike Dirnt is a pretty good bassist. He has some good basslines and bass performances. I mean he's no Entwhistle or even Nick Oliveri, but he's pretty good for a punk bass player. He can carry a song with a bassline or just his playing. Long View, Welcome to Paradise, No One Knows (off Kerplunk), Panic Song, Last Ride In (the most unexpected Green Day song ever.)

Stuart and the Avenue... (AWESOME bassline).

I do like a few tracks off AI. Notebley, Holiday and St. Jimmy.