HHX's aremt nessessairly Long sounding.....perhaps you heard a big heavy crash?

My drum teacher had one of these a long time ago...

It's a cymbal, it had litle pins in holes so when you hit it it the pins would bounce up and down. I think he said it was a china swish or something...

Yeah, they're called rivets, they can put into any cymbal really. A think a Swish is a riveted China cymbal. They're used to make the cymbal sizzle and sustain longer.

[QUOTE=British Boy]Lookin for a non cymbal giant equivalent of a zil/ice bell. Any help?[/QUOTE]

Camber. :wave:

Question: I believe zildjian hammer their cymbals by machines which randomly hammer the cymbal all over - does Sabian do this aswell? (bar Hand Hammered and HHX).

Also, what is the advantage of hand hammering cymbals?

I know it's been said before, although it really bothers me :( - I mean, what if the man/women who is hammering the cymbals is just in it for the money and couldn't care less about the production?!

:(

Tom

[quote]does Sabian do this aswell? (bar Hand Hammered and HHX).[/quote]

no, their machine made models are made with precision machine shaping.

[quote]Also, what is the advantage of hand hammering cymbals?[/quote]

to attain a more personal, traditional sound. the first cymbals were made by hand, so why shouldnt current ones?

[quote]I know it's been said before, although it really bothers me - I mean, what if the man/women who is hammering the cymbals is just in it for the money and couldn't care less about the production?![/quote]

if they keep producing inferior cymbals, their probably fired.

^ *huge sigh of reliefe* :)

^ *huge sigh of reliefe* :)

So, where could I get one. Or do I have to put the rivets on myself, is there a place online to order or something. I've nevers seen them in stores

I wouldn't suggest putting them in yourself unless you know what you're doing, because while drilling you could potentially F up your cymbal. Some cymbals come pre-riveted already from the manufacturer, but they are few and far between. Ask your local shop about doing rivets, they can point you in the right direction.

[QUOTE=Plan B.]I wouldn't suggest putting them in yourself unless you know what you're doing, because while drilling you could potentially F up your cymbal. Some cymbals come pre-riveted already from the manufacturer, but they are few and far between. Ask your local shop about doing rivets, they can point you in the right direction.[/QUOTE]Ok, cool. They have such an awesome sound. I'm really working on getting cash to "up" my set!

i play mostly loud stuff. i'm looking for a new ride at the moment. I want something dark and dry but loud as heck at the same time with a nice loud bell. I was thinking of getting the z custom mega bell ride, but it rings alot. i was also looking into a K heavy ride, an A series earth ride, or a z custom power ride, and sticking a zil bell on top for a bell. any suggestions? :confused:

[QUOTE=Gex]Ok, cool. They have such an awesome sound. I'm really working on getting cash to "up" my set![/QUOTE]


Yeah for sure, great sound.

Another idea would be to use a flat ride for a riveted cymbal, you'll get a really cool sound out of that, so look into them as well.

[QUOTE=szenarox]i play mostly loud stuff. i'm looking for a new ride at the moment. I want something dark and dry but loud as heck at the same time with a nice loud bell. I was thinking of getting the z custom mega bell ride, but it rings alot. i was also looking into a K heavy ride, an A series earth ride, or a z custom power ride, and sticking a zil bell on top for a bell. any suggestions? :confused:[/QUOTE]

The K. Heavy is the way to go :thumb:

i have a 16" aaxplosion and i want a lager crash that will go with it. i am thinking of getting one of the next three:
18" aaxplosion crash
18" aa rock crash
18" sonix crash
what would you guys suggest?

Look at the aaxpolsion or the aa rock, don't go down to sonix if you already have an aax

I don't have pictures yet so this doesn't deserve a thread (hense why I decided to tell everyone in here [sorry, i know this isn't the aim of this thread]) ... I got a Sabian 17" HHXtreme crash today :D. I tried every single crash the store had and this one just seemed to stand out to me. It's fast, reasonably dark and is raw and aggressive - just what I wanted for my kit :). I will be sure to get some pictures up as soon as i figure out how!

Thanks,
Tom

[QUOTE=DaVe!!]i have a 16" aaxplosion and i want a lager crash that will go with it. i am thinking of getting one of the next three:
18" aaxplosion crash
18" aa rock crash
18" sonix crash
what would you guys suggest?[/QUOTE]

18" AA Medium Crash :thumb:

[quote]I got a Sabian 17" HHXtreme crash today . I tried every single crash the store had and this one just seemed to stand out to me. It's fast, reasonably dark and is raw and aggressive[/quote]

AWESOME cymbal.....congratulations, you are the 2nd recipient of the Bobby Johnny Seal.

[url]http://www.bcjournal.net/users/Erich/avatars/Erich-1105580607.jpg[/url]

^ lol

woohoo! :wave:

Haha, nice!

ok the time has come for me to splurge again, i want two more crashes, to brighten up my set....

i can get a good deal if i get 17"aa medium crash and 19 " a custom
or if i get a 15" and 17" aa medium....

i already have a crashes that are 16 and 18, so what sizes do you guys think would be good, i bet the 19 a custom is amazingly strong and the 17 aa would blend really nice with every thing else i have....im not sure about gettina 15" cymbal, it would be good for small accents but i use my 16" k custom for that a lot...so id love you hear your opinions...price isnt an issue here , as for all of them id be getting really good deals.

edit: also whats anyones opinion on the a custom medium crashes....are the reg a customs that thin?

i've played a 19" A Custom once....Friggin bright...even for a 19"

the 17" Medium would be a good choice too. that will brighten up too....go for the Medium and A Custom combo. nice choices.

then its a new kit i suppose?....everything else on your kit kicks ***.

[QUOTE=sublimeisnice]ok the time has come for me to splurge again, i want two more crashes, to brighten up my set....

i can get a good deal if i get 17"aa medium crash and 19 " a custom
or if i get a 15" and 17" aa medium....

i already have a crashes that are 16 and 18, so what sizes do you guys think would be good, i bet the 19 a custom is amazingly strong and the 17 aa would blend really nice with every thing else i have....im not sure about gettina 15" cymbal, it would be good for small accents but i use my 16" k custom for that a lot...so id love you hear your opinions...price isnt an issue here , as for all of them id be getting really good deals.

edit: also whats anyones opinion on the a custom medium crashes....are the reg a customs that thin?[/QUOTE]

There are no A Custom medium crashes, as far as I know. There's the A Custom Crash (thin), Projection Crash (medium-thin) and Fast Crash (thin).

Cool, I oughta make a checklist of what to get!

How would a china splash sound with rivets... is there such thing as a china splash...

Wow, I feel stupid

:wave:

OK, well i just bought the 19" a custom, i trust bobby j with this,... i think i ll pick up the aa medium next week....and then maybe a jam block....but yea then a new set, but thats a few years away. i dont think i need to upgrade my kit anytime soon, even though i play a crappy pulse...i only ever play in my basement with some friends.

[QUOTE=The Dropper]There are no A Custom medium crashes, as far as I know. There's the A Custom Crash (thin), Projection Crash (medium-thin) and Fast Crash (thin).[/QUOTE]

They just realeased them. I just read about them in the new MD.

Ok, I need a crash which will compliment my 17" HHXtreme. Preferably Sabian.

Thanks,
Tom

16" or 18" HHX Stage Crash.

[QUOTE=Chubbs724]They just realeased them. I just read about them in the new MD.[/QUOTE]


What issue?

March